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Frustrated Newbie with a Spyderco Sharpmaker

When done with the flats of the brown stones, you should be able to catch hair above the skin, either on your arm or back of your head. After the white flats, you can whittle hair. The Sharpmaker is excellent for final honing and keeping knives sharp. Even with the diamond stones, it is not good for rebeveling. I suggest a cheap hardware store coarse hone or you can get one of the nicer stones from Norton, DMT, etc. A $5 coarse hardware store stone, a coarse Norton India, an X-Coarse DMT, or a 220 grit waterstone will all rebevel so the Sharpmaker can be used to its potential. Sandpaper clamped around the rods will work as well. The critical part is that you must rebevel thinner than the intended final angle you want to use on the Sharpmaker. For the 20 degree slots I cut the bevel down to 17, and for the 15 degree slots, I use 12. All these are degrees per side, not total inclusive angles.

Another thing is to keep the stones clean. They load up very quickly, and act like steels when loaded. I've used a Sharpmaker long enough to have replaced the brown stones because I dished the corners out. It is not a stand alone tool, but once you understand what it's good at, it is very good. If the bevel of your knife is wider than about 1/32", then it will take a long time to polish if it matches the Sharpmaker angles exactly. Lowering the angle 2-3 degrees makes all the difference.

A statement of disclosure is in order. When sharpening my EDC and kitchen knives, I'm not interested in mirrored bevels, and having 2 or even 3 visible bevels on an edge (say 10, 15, and a final at 20 degrees) doesn't bother me much. Each one will often be at a different grit, 220, 1000, Spyderco Fine. If you want a fully polished bevel all at the same grit, then the Sharpmaker is not the tool for you. It will do it eventually, but bench stones are better and will give a higher polish. The Sharpmaker is a tool for putting on and maintaining micro-bevels.

Edited to add: If you have a knife with a VERY thin primary bevel, then the Sharpmaker works well for that. IME, only the very thinnest knives will work though, by which I mean the thickness at the top of the sharpened bevels needs to be 0.005" or less. The only knives I've tried like this I reground myself.
 
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I'm no expert but that bevel looks way off.I think that's your problem.The diamond rods have never failed me resetting a bevel but I've never used it with vg10 because that's one steel I don't own.Happy New Year!
 
Thanks for the advice, all. I already own and am pretty competent with a wetstone. I'm concerned about a consistent bevel angle, but I'll be careful. As I said, last night I made positive progress on the Delica, so I'm somewhat encouraged. I've never sharpened VG-10 before and my word is it a world's difference from softer steels.
 
I'm no expert but that bevel looks way off.I think that's your problem.The diamond rods have never failed me resetting a bevel but I've never used it with vg10 because that's one steel I don't own.Happy New Year!


I agree. The bevel is way off. What you see in the pics is actually and improvement from where I started. But I still have a ways to go with it.
 
I agree. The bevel is way off. What you see in the pics is actually and improvement from where I started. But I still have a ways to go with it.
I've seen some fairly cheap diamond sharpeners at many places that sell sporting goods.Good luck Moe.
 
i have been having problems with my sharpmaker as well. Every knife i own is shaving sharp except one, my boss jack. try as i might i just cannot get it to shave. I feel your pain

That BOSS Jack probably has a pretty obtuse edge angle, so you are not really sharpening right to the edge. Use the Sharpie trick to see where on the edge bevel the stone is working. As mentioned in other replies here, you may have to reprofile the edge to match the stones angle.
 
Several things in no specific order, I apologize if it's already been posted.

It also likely that the bevels are not uniform, equal, from the factory. Say one side is 20 with the other at 25. At least that been my experience with nearly every knife I've done with the Edge Pro.

You could also just go get a "cheap" small XC $5 stone from the hardware store and secure it to one of the rods in the sharpmaker and cut your new bevels with it. Just work one side to get a burr, then flip it around to get the other side. Once the new bevels are cut, you'll likely not need it again for a long time. At least on that knife. Very cheap solution!

Or the cheapest and quickest way. With the sharpie trick, just adjust to the necessary angle by hand, and hold whatever it takes to reach the edge. Harder to say than do and you can keep checking your progress with the sharpie. With time you should be able to hold the proper angle just by "feeling" the edge touching the stone.
 
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Since last posting I've reshaped a deeper bevel with a hardware type stone. I did it by hand so I'm certain it's not 100% uniform, although it looks pretty good to my untrained eyes. It's a bit convex compared (closely with a loupe) to a factory bevel, but I believe it will allow me to now sharpen the edge properly to 30% with the Sharpmaker. I don't have time for that tonight, but will get back. Meanwhile, it's close to magazine paper cutting sharp, but inconsistent.
 
Capt, I love the Sharpmaker but, like everything, it has its limits, and I think you're 100% correct.
I bought some 320 grit ruby stones from congress tools. They work like a charm for minor reprofiles or a bad factory edge. If I need some serious work on a blade I will just send them to RichardJ.
 
Yes I think that old saying "right tool for the job" realy applies to this situation. I like my Sharpmaker enough to have "set up" and profiled a number of my EDC blades for the the two Sharpmaker angles, even though the Sharpmakers angles are not 100% optimim for the steel (should be a little acute or obtuse). Just being able to maintain and do very fast & easy touch ups makes it worth it to me IMHO. The Sharpmaker works, it just needs to be used as the "right tool" for the job at hand.

Capt. Thomas
 
Well after hours of sharpening, testing, resharpening, retesting, etc, I finally have an edge on my Delica that can more or less consistently cut paper (mostly), but is nowhere in the vicinity of being shaving sharp, even with significant pressure.

I've rebeveled it with a waterstone, and the rebevel is at a lower angle than the edge. Then I sharpened it up with the Sharpmaker, used the marker trick, and kept sharpening. After the rebevel, FINALLY the fine stones actually did not harm the sharpness achieved with the medium stones.

It's much better than it was before, but still isn't great. Still, I'm taking it as a victory as it is forward progress.

As an aside, I can still sharpen a Victorinox on the Sharpmaker from butterknife dull all the way to shaving sharp in far fewer strokes than getting this VG-10 from pretty sharp to paper cutting sharp. It's amazing the difference, really. I haven't used the VG-10 hard enough to determine if blade retention will correlate with sharpening difficulty, but I certainly hope so!
 
Good work Moe!

You are absolutely right, forward progress is always a good thing. That's been my objective, on a day-by-day basis. So long as I've left it a little better than when I started, it's been a good day. :thumbup:

The VG-10 edge retention should be very good. Just watch out for the wire edges, as I'd mentioned earlier. If present, a wire edge will fold over quickly, and make an edge appear to go 'dull' way too early.
 
You may want to contact Spyderco and tell them the issue. Once the bevels are less than the 20 degree slots on my Sharpmaker, I don't have near that much trouble, and the edge off the white stones has never been a backward step for me, as long as a more polished edge was my goal.
 
For rebevelling I use my Lansky. Measure the angle for the specific knife, and put an angle on of 15/15 (30). Slotnumbers are unimportant.
I make a foto of the way I clamped the knife to remember how the clamp sits for the next time it is needed.
Working one side untill a burr forms, with the coarse stone. Then the other side until a new burr forms. Then work my way down with the finer stones untill the white one. Slight hones with the white one will remove the last final fine burr.
The bevel now has an edge wich is very fine and very sharp and a total of 30 degrees.

Then I take my sharpmaker and put a microbevel on it with the medium (brown) stone (40, edge side) .
Light strokes at last with the same brown stones gives me a nice sharp working edge that shaves and easy cuts paper and still has a toothy feeling on it.

On my bg42 sebenza I don't even use the white stones, a toothier edge is much more to my liking. Touching up is very fast, only a few light strokes on the brownies and ready to go.

My Fällkniven A1 with it's VG10 core, gets his sharpening only from the diamond plate, D3, on the sheath. It gets a relatively coarse edge but cuts like hell.

My Idun however, VG10 core, such a fine and beautiful knife, gets a convex treatment with the mousemat and sandpaper until the hairs on my arm start running away with fear.

All depends on the kind of knife and the way you want to use it.

Some steels however won't get really sharp untill you reach a mirrorpolished stropped alot edge. Others don't need it.

The Lansky is a good, not so expensive, investment that pays of. Together with the sharpmaker it is a very fine system-combination for putting a nice edge on your cutting tools.

As other said already, your endura needs a nice rebevelling before taking it to the sharpmaker. Knowing the angle your sharpening at and keeping that angle is very important.

Once rebevelled to 30 degrees, you will be amazed how good the sharpmaker works.
 
I like to get a good profile with a 600 grit arkansas stone then put a micro bevel on with the 40 degree option on the sharpmaker ......
 
I worked it over again (just the edge ... I think the bevel is there) last night and it's better yet. Cuts paper consistently (yay! .... never had that much problem getting a paper cutting edge) and shaves, albeit very poorly. Then I sharpened a dull Victorinox Executive blade at 40 degrees and got it hair popping sharp in about 1/5th the time it took to make marginal improvement on the Spyderco with VG-10. So that's the positive and the negative.

With the Spyderco, I'm still working at a 30% (total) micro bevel. I think next time I sharpen it, I may touch up the main bevel again and micro bevel it at 40% just for the learning experience and see where that gets me. Thanks for the continued advice.
 
I may get blasted for this but I'm going to offer this "opinion" any way because I have years and years of experience, I have the Sharp Maker and all of the available rods including the diamond rods and a few custom made rods as well, also a EP Pro along with $800-$900 worth of other stones, wheels, belts and gadgets I have collected throught the years. So I'm going to stand by this "opinion".

The Sharp Maker is a fine tool if you are using it the right way, if you are using the correct stones for the task required etc. It is not a good tool for serious re-profiles or damaged edges because it takes to long even with the diamond rods. It excells at maintaing an already set up blade and for quick touch ups of almost any blade with the porper stone for the steel.

I have done re-profiles on softer steels and it will do them, just not as fast or easy as using a correct tool / set up for stock removal. Would I consider doing a mild bevel set or repair on 440 or 1095 with the sharpmaker? Sure! On ZDP-189, S90V, D2 (properly hardened)....... nope. I have better things to do than spend an hour (or many more) attempting to use a less than optimum tool for the job. I would (and have) used regular tool files for 30 minutes or less that had a blade ready for the sharpmaker. The sharp maker alone would have taken hours.

I guess what I could have said in much fewer words is that the sharp maker is a fine sharpener & hone for blades of any steel that are sharpen / hone ready. Not too bad a tool for edge repair & minor re-profile on softer steels. Is a terrible grinder..... specialy on "super steels".

Ok I just put on my kevlar........ fire away!

Capt. Thomas

Hey capt, what's to blast. Sounds pretty accurate today. I love the sharpmaker. Easiest and quickest way I know to maintain an edge and keep it razor sharp. But if I've got a very dull knife or one that needs the bevel re-profiled, it's not the best tool for the job. I use my coarse dmt stone for that.
 
I may get blasted for this but I'm going to offer this "opinion" any way because I have years and years of experience, I have the Sharp Maker and all of the available rods including the diamond rods and a few custom made rods as well, also a EP Pro along with $800-$900 worth of other stones, wheels, belts and gadgets I have collected throught the years. So I'm going to stand by this "opinion".

The Sharp Maker is a fine tool if you are using it the right way, if you are using the correct stones for the task required etc. It is not a good tool for serious re-profiles or damaged edges because it takes to long even with the diamond rods. It excells at maintaing an already set up blade and for quick touch ups of almost any blade with the porper stone for the steel.

I have done re-profiles on softer steels and it will do them, just not as fast or easy as using a correct tool / set up for stock removal. Would I consider doing a mild bevel set or repair on 440 or 1095 with the sharpmaker? Sure! On ZDP-189, S90V, D2 (properly hardened)....... nope. I have better things to do than spend an hour (or many more) attempting to use a less than optimum tool for the job. I would (and have) used regular tool files for 30 minutes or less that had a blade ready for the sharpmaker. The sharp maker alone would have taken hours.

I guess what I could have said in much fewer words is that the sharp maker is a fine sharpener & hone for blades of any steel that are sharpen / hone ready. Not too bad a tool for edge repair & minor re-profile on softer steels. Is a terrible grinder..... specialy on "super steels".

Ok I just put on my kevlar........ fire away!

Capt. Thomas

Where does one go about getting these Custom rods for the SM????
 
Didn't read Capt's comment or if I did, I set it aside mentally. This was an error.

Spent at least 4 hours (over the course of many weeks), setting a back bevel on an ELMAX blade. Got it to what I'd consider to be good enough since I'm going to go back and set a microbevel. Never doing that again.
 
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