Frustrating

craytab said:
Not all buyers, or sellers for that matter, are this honest and hold to their word. There have been threads in the GBU where an international buyer agrees to the terms but later complains they didn't get their knife. I think it sucks for you international guys. I'd love to sell more readily to international places but the fact is the risk is increased, more so depending on where you ship. The same can be said deciding on who to ship to. Selling stuff to people you don't know over the internet has risk. Besides not selling knives I no longer have a use for over the internet, all I can do is try to reduce my risk of loss. Deciding to not sell to certain places is an easy way to reduce my risk.
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Completely understandable.
I am of the 'do unto others...' school of thought. And I know from experience that not everyone else is. Sad but true.

I think that perhaps if I built up a faultless feedback score on a lot of deals on the BF exchange it would help me out. Now there's a real catch 22...

Sorry for repeating myself but I will again apologize for rehashing this clearly well worn topic, though it has helped me understand it all better, and it has resulted in me gaining a US proxy for a one off knife purchase, and also contact with a BF seller that, as best I can tell, is genuine and honest and happy to sell internationally under conditions that I myself am comfortable with.

I'm about to go ahead with a purchase from him and will likely post feedback in G B and U afterwards.
 
I am living in Europe but buy frequently knives on BF. But i solved the problem because someone i did buy knives from, offered to act as my shippng address. So now, my purchases are send to him. He collects my purchases and once in a while he send me a box. For the hassle i pay him $ 5,- per knife, besides shipping cost of course. This construction works very well for me. The only time knives were lost, they were stolen from the porch of my USA friend. USPS had left the box on the porch because there wasn't someone at home to accept the package. And 1 time it went wrong after i moved to a new place. And myUSA friend had sent them to my old address. But this shipment returned to the USA and several months later i got them.

For this construction confidence is needed od course. But it works very well, once established.
 
I don't see how that helps the seller. PayPal will still have your confirmed shipping address in Europe which would nullify any seller protections
 
TOMBSTONE said:
I don't see how that helps the seller. PayPal will still have your confirmed shipping address in Europe which would nullify any seller protections
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All they have to do is add henkh's friend's address to henkh's PayPal account as an approved address.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
All they have to do is add henkh's friend's address to henkh's PayPal account as an approved address.
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So if the seller confirms shipment to his friend in USA, if the knife gets lost or stolen from USA to Europe. Then henkh would not be able to file a dispute with PayPal or a chargeback to his credit card company? And in a situation like that then who is responsible for a refund?
 
That's right. PayPal considers the knife delivered when it gets to henkh's (friend's) approved address in the US. Anything after that is like the friend sending henkh a gift, if it gets stolen in transit, tough luck.
 
Then thats the solution to the issue that keeps having threads being created sellers not shipping international. Seems simple enough and then everybody's happy. Would get more seller's willing to ship that way. Good info thanks
 
I'll consider shipping almost anywhere if the buyer has a good reputation. I've had one instance when a buyer tried to scam me about the condition of the knife I sent. Fortunately for me when I chose to ignore his claims he did not pursue the PayPal "nuke option" which always favors the buyer. My wife has chosen to stop selling on eBay after several buyers have used the PayPal claim option for no other reason than to scam her.
 
TOMBSTONE said:
Then thats the solution to the issue that keeps having threads being created sellers not shipping international. Seems simple enough and then everybody's happy. Would get more seller's willing to ship that way. Good info thanks
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The only catch is finding the person willing to do it for you(International buyer), otherwise it should work fine for the US seller. Some might still balk but you certainly would increase the number of US sellers willing to do business. I certainly would have no problem with it. I think there are also services that can do this for you, but since I don't need it, I have never looked into it.
 
Some vague notions about extra risk and extra hassle on this thread and I suspect it is that causing the issue - vague notions. You have to complete a little customs form and perhaps wait in the post office instead of just dumping your parcel,that's it. I have bought upwards of 10,000 knives from US and had them shipped to the UK without one single issue although many times they will be bought 20,30 or 40 at a time so not 10k separate parcels. I have then shipped most of them back across the world and only ever ha an issue with two knives been stolen by Italian postmen, one of which was a very expensive 2nd pattern FS dagger but it was insured and I claimed the money back. Believe it or not but US citizens are not any more honest than most of the rest of the world. As for the seller wanting to charge the buyer full whack insurance AND have him accept responsibility therefore negating the costly insurance , yeah, I can certainly understand why they suddenly lose interest at that scenario. Might as well say "international buyers please double the amount I am requesting" or just stick to CONUS only. Seems paypal and insurance don't work the same in the US as the rest of the world. I have stopped looking at the fore sale forums on here now as it was so frustrating, well except for the makers forums. None of the US makers that I am aware of have an issue sending knives overseas for some reason.
 
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All I can say to that, The Highlander, is with a US market having a feeling of overseas sales being a bit of a risk and a bit of trouble, you have now added a bit of contempt for us.

Not the best way to encourage sales that would seem to be more in your interests than in ours.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
All they have to do is add henkh's friend's address to henkh's PayPal account as an approved address.
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...... this. Once the knife is delivered to the US address per the paypal payment it is DELIVERED and that is where Paypal's involvement ends.

As I have said in these thread before, I have bought over 100 blades from the US in the past few years, of those probably 70% have shipped direct to me from the seller (some from the maker but many from the EX here) and the balance to a mate of mine in the US. No an issue at all. In Australia if the value (including shipping) is under $1K Aussie (700ish US) then there are no charges that apply on import so the undervaluing thing is generally moot. The only time I have had something held in Customs here is when the value has exceeded $1K and they want their pound of flesh.

I also ship from here to the US weekly (not knives) and have had no issues.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
All I can say to that, The Highlander, is with a US market having a feeling of overseas sales being a bit of a risk and a bit of trouble, you have now added a bit of contempt for us.

Not the best way to encourage sales that would seem to be more in your interests than in ours.
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Indeed. It doesn't help overseas types like me at all.

Just to round this off, I have just received a nice LNIB LE folder I've wanted for a while thanks to a BF member that contacted me after reading this thread, saying he was happy to ship internationally with conditions I was personally happy to accept.

Blade Forums rocks.
 
Cursum Perficio said:
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If the seller has honestly done his best to sell and send me the item, and for some reason it doesn't get to me and neither of us knows why (can't see that happening with a tracking number involved) then I would not use PayPal to get my money back, thus screwing the seller. I just wouldn't feel right doing that.
If I find out that the seller has been dishonest then yes I would...........
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If more buyers were like you then we wouldn't be afraid to ship overseas.
 
That's one of many reasons I've been avoiding overseas sales was because of the frequent requests to lie on the forms what I was shipping and declare extremely low values. Then with people like the highlander posts something like what he did doesn't help. Highlander, we don't owe you anything. We are not obligated to you. There are a couple members in this thread I would consider doing business with but it wouldn't be you
 
The Highlander is obviouly a dealer, with that volume. We already know it's easier for dealers to buy and sell Internationally. For one thing, their extensive experience means they are more familiar with the system. Not true for someone getting one or two requests. Also, as businessmen, they have the resources to offset a bad deal. As an individual, each of us may have a significant chunk of our hobby budget at risk.
 
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