Fullrs: Not many knives with fullers out there.

[madcap_magician]

Fuller Friday but on Tuesday.

 

[Arathol]

The authors of the paper don't seem to give much weight to that idea:

"Yet, unfluted projectile points were mounted on spears for millennia without it, and it seems likely that if fluting did enhance hafting it would have presumably occurred prior to Clovis weaponry."

"Seems likely"...."presumably"....."seems reasonable"......All from the article you quote.
In other words, they didn't bother to actually find out and are guessing.
A more recent article from an archeologist and ancient technologies expert who actually makes and hafts Clovis points that says the flutes are for hafting, and also says the points frequently broke in use and were sometimes reshaped.....

What’s the Point: All about Clovis Points - Archaeology Southwest

Allen Denoyer explains how people made Clovis points and what is important to look at in order to recognize them. You’ll see that it’s possible to read a Clovis point like a map.

www.archaeologysouthwest.org

All things are invented when they are invented. You can't say that if something is better than what you have now it should have or would have been invented years ago. That guy might as well be saying that humans rode horses for millennia, if the car did enhance transportation it would have been invented a long time ago.....Its just ludicrous to make a statement like that.
If you had ever actually made your own primitive arrows or spears the advantages of this fluting are immediately obvious.....

 

[jfk1110]

Fuller Friday but on Tuesday.

Mr. Martin makes some damn fine looking kickass blades...

 

[vjb.knife]

I can see how compacting the steel would make it denser and therefore more difficult to bend. I'm a machinist/cnc programmer by trade, we remove material for a variety of reasons and I have a good understanding of metal working but not forging.

I'd love to get educated on forging and how it changes the structure!

Forging steel neither compacts it or increases it's density. Blood grooves is a misused and misunderstood term for a fuller and as stated earlier the fuller is for lightening the blade by removing material.

 

[vjb.knife]

IMO , an impressive martial display has always been an important part of warfare , both for morale building and to intimidate the enemy .

I am pretty sure that the last thing on anyone's mind in a knife fight would be whether the other guy's knife had a fuller, so I doubt if intimidation is part of the design criteria.

 

[vjb.knife]

I never saw the movie...... I have NO idea what you are talking about, but You should work in Marketing.....I like how you paint a picture, and I'm wondering If I should see this? Ha!

If you have never seen Forrest Gump you definitely do need to see it. It is amazing in many ways. I especially like the scene with President Lyndon B. Johnson.

 

[vjb.knife]

This was my Father's knife in WWII. He was in the Army From Sicily to the Battle of the Bulge. I doubt if he knew why the Fuller was there or cared.

 

[Alone]

This was my Father's knife in WWII. He was in the Army From Sicily to the Battle of the Bulge. I doubt if he knew why the Fuller was there or cared.

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Man, those guys had the sauce!

As a 5th generation American, I'm SO THANKFUL for guys like your ol' man.

 

[Jacques Mi]

Deleted. Wrong thread.

 

[Win Heger]

My only knife with a fuller. I like Tantos and Helm knives, perfect for me.

 

[Mk-211]

 

[DocJD]

I am pretty sure that the last thing on anyone's mind in a knife fight would be whether the other guy's knife had a fuller, so I doubt if intimidation is part of the design criteria.

My post was general in nature , not limited to the heat of a "knife fight " .

It's fine if you don't understand what I'm saying .

 

[vjb.knife]

My post was general in nature , not limited to the heat of a "knife fight " .

It's fine if you don't understand what I'm saying .

I understand what you are saying and to me intimidation means conflict and if you are holding an intimidating knife that is what I think of. Don't get me wrong I like the look of a Fuller on a blade as much as anyone, but what I am saying is that adding a fuller to an knife was not part of the design criteria to make it look intimidating. They were first used on swords and it made them light and quicker in the hand without sacrificing significant strength but adding lateral rigidity. Then they were added to knives with the tapered tang for similar reasons.

 

[DocJD]

I understand what you are saying and to me intimidation means conflict and if you are holding an intimidating knife that is what I think of. Don't get me wrong I like the look of a Fuller on a blade as much as anyone, but what I am saying is that adding a fuller to an knife was not part of the design criteria to make it look intimidating. They were first used on swords and it made them light and quicker in the hand without sacrificing significant strength but adding lateral rigidity. Then they were added to knives with the tapered tang for similar reasons.

Yes, agreed , there are legit functional reasons for fullers , but many are made now for basically marketing reasons , e.g. "blood groove" . .

And /or for decorative appeal . Martial sexiness .

 

[vjb.knife]

Yes, agreed , there are legit functional reasons for fullers , but many are made now for basically marketing reasons , e.g. "blood groove" . .

And /or for decorative appeal . Martial sexiness .

I can not disagree with you there. However, the blood groove thing is just urban legend stuff.

 

[DocJD]

I can not disagree with you there. However, the blood groove thing is just urban legend stuff.

Exactly my point .

 

[DangerZone98]

Yes, agreed , there are legit functional reasons for fullers , but many are made now for basically marketing reasons , e.g. "blood groove" . .

And /or for decorative appeal . Martial sexiness .

What do you mean? I love how fullers save me 0.05 grams of weight. My knives weigh down my pockets too much otherwise.

The 0.05 grams make all the difference.

 

[HwangJino]

Fuller is for weight reduction and blood letting? Correct me if I'm wrong.
It seems that is would cost extra money in production, for something not many would really want.

I have just 1 knife with it, and it is a heavy knife. I believe the tang is also skeletonized a bit, not 100% on it.

 

[DangerZone98]

Fuller is for weight reduction and blood letting? Correct me if I'm wrong.
It seems that is would cost extra money in production, for something not many would really want.

I have just 1 knife with it, and it is a heavy knife. I believe the tang is also skeletonized a bit, not 100% on it.

Weight reduction and maybe aesthetics. I sincerely doubt it has anything to do with blood. If a knife gets messy, a fuller isn’t gonna help make it less messy.

Beautiful fixed blade, sir.

On a slightly related note, you’ll also usually see a blade notch or cho on most kukris, the traditional Nepalese war/work knife. It’s like a cutout at the base of the blade. Kailash once confirmed that it doesn’t really work as a drain either. Same weight saving function as a fuller I suppose.