Ganzo knives any good?

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I read only the first post. I bought a few of the cheap SRM, Enlan and Ganzo knives. They're trash. Throwaway quality. They don't have a warranty. Get something descent instead.
 
cash71 said:
Patents last to long all they do is inflate prices and kill competition. 3/4 of the world doesn't believe in patents. A knife that gets copied isn't the biggest deal anyway.
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Patents protect the person/persons who risked their time and money to design something new. Patent rights were protected at the founding of the United States because the leaders at the time knew that most people will not bother to invent great things if other people, sonetimes other people with huge amounts of resources, can screw them over and steal their ideas.

I'm not for inflated prices or a lack of competition, but if all ideas, once realized, were out there for the taking, we would have a large amount of cheaply produced crap and no quality. This kind of mentality, taken to an extreme, will ruin our hobby by flooding the market with junk, that the ignorant will buy, killing the original innovators.
 
EDCanAdamas said:
Patents protect the person/persons who risked their time and money to design something new. Patent rights were protected at the founding of the United States because the leaders at the time knew that most people will not bother to invent great things if other people, sonetimes other people with huge amounts of resources, can screw them over and steal their ideas.

I'm not for inflated prices or a lack of competition, but if all ideas, once realized, were out there for the taking, we would have a large amount of cheaply produced crap and no quality. This kind of mentality, taken to an extreme, will ruin our hobby by flooding the market with junk, that the ignorant will buy, killing the original innovators.
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I disagree. Patents have nothing to do with quality. If an item is patented their is only one person making it and they don't have to make it to any specific standards. Quality IMHO is driven by demand. If their is a demand for a quality product someone will end up making it. But if its patented this eliminates any competition. And competition isn't always about who can make it cheaper. And patents don't always protect the person who invented an item. Sometimes its just a matter of who went to the patent office first. I do think its interesting how you say "the leaders at the time" . Mainly because I feel times change. And with how fast things change patents to me have become a way to lock in a monopoly for a small portion of time. Id rather have a completely open source market and allow build quality and price to dictate who survives. I just feel innovation should be a project of passion. Not money.
 
PURPLEDC said:
I disagree. Patents have nothing to do with quality. If an item is patented their is only one person making it and they don't have to make it to any specific standards. Quality IMHO is driven by demand. If their is a demand for a quality product someone will end up making it. But if its patented this eliminates any competition.
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While I agree that a patent does not specifically have to relate to the quality of a product, device, or invention, it does isolate that product for success or failure. Take for example Benchmade's Axis Lock. Under patent, Benchmade was the only company legally making Axis Locks, meaning that Benchmade would have to make that lock good enough for people to actually buy it. It was in Benchmade's best interest as a company to sell a product only they were allowed to make, and making that product poorly would only hurt them.

Granted, once an expectation of quality is built up, the quality of a product could be reduced to what ever level the patent holder feels he or she can pass it off to the consumer with.
 
I have one. It was a gift and I keep it because the person that got it for me knew I was a knife guy. He spent his money on what he sincerely thought was a good deal. He is also the kind to ask me a lot about it,so I keep it and it is handy on my workbench for all to see. I have used it to cut up boxes and such.
My experience with the knife is that it looks great, opens smoothly and seems to lock safely. The steel of the blade is supposed to be 440C and I do not believe it. I can get a good edge, it the bumper on my 93 Suburban could hold a better edge. The blade is mystery steel that, IMO, makes the knife useless for even EDC, as any use at all dulls the knife very quickly. Rip off
 
PURPLEDC said:
Id rather have a completely open source market and allow build quality and price to dictate who survives. I just feel innovation should be a project of passion. Not money.
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How do you feel about trademarks? While I strongly respect patents, I have mixed feelings on trademarks, when the trademarked material is vague. I personally think the idea that Spyderco can trademark a hole in the blade is stretching things rather far legally, provided the blade shape is not "leaf" shaped.
 
EDCanAdamas said:
How do you feel about trademarks? While I strongly respect patents, I have mixed feelings on trademarks, when the trademarked material is vague. I personally think the idea that Spyderco can trademark a hole in the blade is stretching things rather far legally, provided the blade shape is not "leaf" shaped.
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Trademarks are wishy washy to me too. But in the case of spyderco when i see a round hole in a blade it immediately makes me think of spyderco so it seems warranted that they would get a trademark. But I also struggle with it because its just a circle cut into the blade. Logos however i do feel strongly against them being lifted. I think even if you clone a knife if you go so far as to rip off the logo then its a product meant to deceive. I just feel a logo is sacred.
 
I have lost several nice knives at work and was done losing them and the money it cost me to buy them. I bought a Ganzo knife (which I also lost) and was happy with the quality. It was not as nice as a real Benchmade nor did I expect it to be. It was, however, a much nicer knife than any other $20 knife I have ever bought. I even bought a second one to replace the first one I lost.

Judging by the differences of the "axis lock" between the two, the quality control is not as good as Benchmade. I can accept that in a $20 knife. I still carry nice knives everywhere but work. Maybe I'm a bad person for buying it, but I was happy with my purchase.
 
dcfireman said:
I have lost several nice knives at work and was done losing them and the money it cost me to buy them. I bought a Ganzo knife (which I also lost) and was happy with the quality. It was not as nice as a real Benchmade nor did I expect it to be. It was, however, a much nicer knife than any other $20 knife I have ever bought. I even bought a second one to replace the first one I lost.

Judging by the differences of the "axis lock" between the two, the quality control is not as good as Benchmade. I can accept that in a $20 knife. I still carry nice knives everywhere but work. Maybe I'm a bad person for buying it, but I was happy with my purchase.
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And that is really what it is all about, satisfaction.

I ordered five or so of these knives, just to find out what they were all about. I found the build quality to be quite acceptable for the price and for an EDC that is not going to be put to heavy use, they are just fine. Yes, the blade steel is one big question mark, as is the copying of designs, but Ganzo is not in competition with any of the major makers. For those that can't afford anything better, they are quite acceptable, IMO.
 
A.P.F. said:
And that is really what it is all about, satisfaction.

I ordered five or so of these knives, just to find out what they were all about. I found the build quality to be quite acceptable for the price and for an EDC that is not going to be put to heavy use, they are just fine. Yes, the blade steel is one big question mark, as is the copying of designs, but Ganzo is not in competition with any of the major makers. For those that can't afford anything better, they are quite acceptable, IMO.
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Lame excuse! If you can afford a Ganzo. You can afford a Kershaw. There is a difference between being a value shopper, and a cheapskate who refuses to pay the proper amount for a legit product.
 
Great flipper knife. Great thumb stud opener too. Bearings, smooooooth. A hell of a lot smoother than my new Spyderco Advocate on bearings (yeah, I'm still kinda pissed about that one, well over 200 bucks! Crappy action.).-- Great action, great detent on this Ganzo. Takes a hell of a razor edge. Will it hold it well through a torture test, probably not. Haven't really tested this edge yet. Just sharpened it yesterday. But for like $25, wow. BTW, this is an original design, not a copy, homage or rip off.

 
Scrim said:
Great flipper knife. Great thumb stud opener too. Bearings, smooooooth. A hell of a lot smoother than my new Spyderco Advocate on bearings (yeah, I'm still kinda pissed about that one, well over 200 bucks! Crappy action.).-- Great action, great detent on this Ganzo. Takes a hell of a razor edge. Will it hold it well through a torture test, probably not. Haven't really tested this edge yet. Just sharpened it yesterday. But for like $25, wow. BTW, this is an original design, not a copy, homage or rip off.



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That actually looks pretty cool. I see influences but no direct ripping off. I just wish they would stop machining the pocket clip recess. I got to sharpen back my ganzo and see if its edge was just too thin. I hear you on the advocate. My southards left a lot to be desired for a bearing flipper.
 
PURPLEDC said:
That actually looks pretty cool. I see influences but no direct ripping off. I just wish they would stop machining the pocket clip recess. I got to sharpen back my ganzo and see if its edge was just too thin. I hear you on the advocate. My southards left a lot to be desired for a bearing flipper.
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I took some lockbar pressure off my Southard (plus clean & lube) and it now flips really nicely. I've tried everything I can think of with my Advocate and it still doesn't feel like a bearing flipper should. I have quite a few flippers on washers that are still a lot smoother than I can get my Advocate. It did smooth out over time and lost that gritty feeling from ball bearings peening the paper thin steel washers. So that did get better...with lots of effort. But there's just something off about the milling in the pockets combined with the washers and bearings Spyderco employed on this knife that just doesn't feel like what you'd expect a $227, ball bearing flipper to feel like (yep, even with reduced lockbar tension). The materials and the rest of the design is so nice I'm keeping the knife, but it'll never be even close to a free dropper (that you can then dial back some if desired) unfortunately. Back to the Ganzo G752 (in my photo), it puts a lot of $100, $200 & up flippers to shame re: it's action, via flipper or thumb stud. I can see Ganzo doing what several other Chinese companies did, which is eventually transition from clones & knock-offs to legit, original designs with higher quality steels. The surely have the manufacturing chops to pull it off.
 
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