getting caught with a bm 960 at disneyland

the level of butthurt over a private company asking you not to bring knives onto their property is astonishing.

Disney has a culture, an attitude and an atmosphere that they are working hard to create and maintain. Maybe you dont agree with that, I personally think they go a bit overboard but they are the ONLY ones with rights in this situation. They dont want you drinking alcohol, but I dont see anyone complaining about that. Im sure some of you guys who are crying about it have kids too. If your kid came to my house, you wouldnt want me to show them pornography or something similarly age inappropriate would you? Or how about leaving a gun out? We probably have differing opinions about what is appropriate for children of a certain age, yet I would respect your wishes.

I dont see Disney as being any different.
 
They serve alcohol at California Adventure. At least they did two years ago. And the problem I found is that there is virtually no sign anywhere at Disneyland at the entrance that says no pocket knives allowed. I had the optoion of giving up a $100 knife or walking 3 miles round trip to put my knife away safely. The fact is, there was no sign of any kind listing what you can't have that I recall. Your bags get searched but they don't list what they are looking for. That to me is arbitrary . . . and I believe it's arbitrary on purpose because they want to make the call on a case by case basis. Is it their right? Apparently so. Is it fair and open to their customers? No.

I have been to Disnyland three times in the last 3 years and honestly, the first time I went there I researched for a list of prohibited items and looked carefully the first time I went through the gates and couldn't find anything. The all of a suddent, on my second trip there, some security guard comes up to me from over 50 feet away and asks "is that a knife in your pocket?" And it was a slip joint with a very short blade. He didn't care. What I will give him is that he was nice and respectful to me about the whole affair.

redisburning said:
the level of butthurt over a private company asking you not to bring knives onto their property is astonishing.

Disney has a culture, an attitude and an atmosphere that they are working hard to create and maintain. Maybe you dont agree with that, I personally think they go a bit overboard but they are the ONLY ones with rights in this situation. They dont want you drinking alcohol, but I dont see anyone complaining about that. Im sure some of you guys who are crying about it have kids too. If your kid came to my house, you wouldnt want me to show them pornography or something similarly age inappropriate would you? Or how about leaving a gun out? We probably have differing opinions about what is appropriate for children of a certain age, yet I would respect your wishes.

I dont see Disney as being any different.
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Yes they still serve alcohol at California Adventure. I like the Cadillac Margaritas:thumbup: and you can get premium beers and wine as well.

You can carry a knife into Disneyland. That is what I was told by their security. The rule is that the total length of a blade should be no longer than the pinky finger of the security person checking your things.

They made my girlfriend return her SAK Compact to my car after checking its length with a pinky. They only check bags and purses, so you can always get away with a SAK in your pocket. My GF was unlucky because her SAK was floating at the top of her purse, but I have made it in fine with a SAK before and I did this time as well. In fact we just walked over to another checker and we made it through with her SAK in my pocket. If you are actually caught because of your pocket clip, then you unluckily ran into a very serious security person. I have never noticed any of the security looking at my pockets.

There are lots of nice knives with pinky finger sized blades, and at Disneyland that is all you would realistically need. It is private property after all, and they have an American right to restrict whatever they want from coming inside.
 
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The Government said:
You can carry a knife into Disneyland. That is what I was told by their security. The rule is that the total length of a blade should be no longer than the pinky finger of the security person checking your things.
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And I bet if you went there again and asked another security guard, they would tell you something different. Unless they can point to some written policy of the Disney company on blades in their parks, based on what I have seen and heard others say, the restrictions on blades are totally arbitrary and up to the guards in question.

Without an official, written policy any guard can turn you away at the gate for any knife, no matter how small, and you have no recourse. So you have to either ditch the knife or you don't go in. What will it be, a $100 knife or the vaction your kid has been dreaming about all year, and that you probably spend hundred of dollars just for the park tickets. They know that they have you over a barrel. :rolleyes:
 
I went into the museum below the arch (through the same security checkpoint you have to pass to get into the arch) a couple weeks ago, and my weathered opinel #7 didn't raise any eyebrows.

I'm not a huge fan of clipped knives, mostly due to ergonomics, but the benefit of not having your knife visible is also nice.

As far as avoiding showing your knife for the sake of others...I frequently (I would estimate 80-90% of the time), wear my puukko in plain sight on my belt. If I am, for whatever reason, worried about bothering people or drawing attention, I take it off and put it in my pocket, or I stick the sheath in my back pocket (It's a dangler) and cover the butt of the handle with my shirt.
 
redisburning said:
the level of butthurt over a private company asking you not to bring knives onto their property is astonishing.
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I agree. It has nothing to do with political correctness or wanting to take your rights away. It has everything to do with the fact that it's private property and you do as they say, or you leave.

How about this. I don't allow smoking in my house. If you came in and lit up, I'd tell you to get out. Would I be violating your rights? Not at all.

There's a big difference in public and private. The law dictates what you can and can't carry in public. The owners dictate what you can and can't carry on their property.
 
mdauben -That may be true, however, they still only check your bags and purses. I have been through the Disneyland checkpoint many times and they only search people with bags/ purses and all they search is the bag or purse. As long as you keep a knife IN YOUR POCKET, you will get in with that knife 99.9% guaranteed. The biggest thing that I take is a SAK since I believe that I can get away with using it in the park. I have taken a Kershaw Skyline once clipped to my pocket and once in my pocket -got through both times. I have taken traditional slip joints as well. Every time I have been to Disneyland I brought a knife with no issues. Usually I carry something small, like a traditional peanut or toothpick.

The only issue I ever had was that one with my GF -who's SAK was spotted at the top of her purse. We walked to an adjacent security point with her SAK in my pocket and got through easily.

I agree though, it would be nice if they posted an official policy.:thumbup:
 
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I went to an art museum today. Carried a folder that I figured I could live without if it were confiscated. No metal detectors no signage, security guys all over the lobby area and some wandering the galleries. Half an hour later I'm standing in front of a Rembrandt still carrying my knife clipped to my pocket thinking ' I could slice this painting right out of the frame or worse if I wanted to'. I guess my point is the "authorities don't really think these things through do they? I mean a nut in a gallery could do inconceivable damage to priceless works of art with a blade but at Disneyland? Whaddaya gonna do, hijack Space Mountain?
 
The local bulk stores here in Canada have door staff that forbid men from carrying a bag, but not women from carrying their huge purses.

They claim it's to stop theft, but as a former floor-walker I know women shovel just as much into their purses as men do into bags.

When I have to carry anything in a bag I simply cram it into my wife's purse, then after we walk into the store I pull it out and carry it. None of the inside staff view it as their job to also do bag banning, so no one bothers me.:thumbup:
 
That's why I will never take the wife or future kids to any of those parks. I vote with my feet.
 
First cartoons now laws.... that's amazing

They can not over ride city law and city law can not be harsher than state law. Unless its a local law then checking blade with a pinky (thats a great way to measure) is not iin their rights.
 
knifenut1013 said:
First cartoons now laws.... that's amazing

They can not over ride city law and city law can not be harsher than state law. Unless its a local law then checking blade with a pinky (thats a great way to measure) is not iin their rights.
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are you serious?

it's hard for me to talk on this without being insulting, so Ill just say this:

if you are reading this thread and dont know better, dont listen to this post, it is incorrect. both about local laws and the ability of establishments to restrict knife possession on their property.
 
I laugh.. and you can almost guarantee there's no problem with alot of other common items people may carry on themselves that you can also guarantee could cause harm. And that's all I'll say about that, before I :foot:
 
cj65 said:
I like to at least carry my Leatherman into a ball game. I prep the wife that I may need to go back to the car but I am gonna try to get in. I am kinda set in my ways. I brought a small slipjoint into the unhappiest place on earth. I was able to assist 2 people who were buying souveniers for their kiddies and they could not remove the zip tie that held the 2 parts of the toys together. I got to play hero for them. However, I kept a watchful eye for ears with badges. I try to remain conspicuous and not be a jerk wad knife guy. Otherwise, some sheeple will associate jerkwad=knife guy. We have a mission folks. Tend to the sheep, all you knife wielding good shepherds.
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well played, sir
 
Your the one sounding butthurt, do you work for disney?

Are you a LEO, judge, lawyer? if not then your opinions mean as much as mine.
 
Yeah, I "broke the rules" and came out the hero recently. Was helping out at a beauty pageant backstage, which was held at a high school auditorium. Contemplated taking a Spydie, but settled on a politically correct SAK. Turns out they had to unpackage the tiaras at the last minute, which were in particularly tough plastic packages. A shaving sharp SAK did the trick just fine!

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I agree. It has nothing to do with political correctness or wanting to take your rights away. It has everything to do with the fact that it's private property and you do as they say, or you leave.

How about this. I don't allow smoking in my house. If you came in and lit up, I'd tell you to get out. Would I be violating your rights? Not at all.

There's a big difference in public and private. The law dictates what you can and can't carry in public. The owners dictate what you can and can't carry on their property.
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Um. It has EVERYTHING to do with political correctness. And there's nothing wrong with grumbling about stupid rules, while still admitting that they have every right to ban every trivial item they can. 50 years ago nobody would bat an eye at a pocket knife. Now, they have become un-pc so it's against the rules.

Political correctness is also the reason it's more of an "out of sight, out of mind" rule. They don't REALLY care if you have a knife on you, just keep it deep in your pocket.

I give my friend a bit of a stink on a regular occasion, because his household has the "no shoes" rule, which is fine. However, if you have flip flops it's a no go, because you have to wear socks. Can't go barefoot in their house either. Now, I'm not demanding he change his rules. However, I give him a lot of crap for it.
 
knifenut1013 said:
Your the one sounding butthurt, do you work for disney?

Are you a LEO, judge, lawyer? if not then your opinions mean as much as mine.
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Um. you are 100% wrong, about the knife laws, though.

You are thinking about California GUN laws. Local firearm laws can not be more restrictive on firearms than the State law. However, private property trumps that. (also, this is not a law, as disneyland has no power to make or enforce laws, it's simply a "banned item" if you will). The worst that can happen if you refuse to comply with this, is you get escorted out, or get cited for trespassing.

I'm pretty sure firearms are not kosher there, yet I know people who carry concealed handguns, who are not law enforcement officers, on Disneyland premises. Keyword: concealed.
 
at Disney world they have caught people with guns(bulge in shirt/in purse) and knives(pocket clipped), and they will allow you to lock in in a locker until you leave.

I think this is an ok way to handle it.
 
Try as I might, I cannot seem to find alcohol nor pornography mentioned in the Constitution. A "feeling", a "desire", a "need", can never supersede a right. To do so is misinterpreting virtually every canon of law since civilization began. Asking you to allow yourself to be gagged because you may very well yell FIRE in one of their crowded theaters and therefore should cede the right of free speech is the same sort of preemption that certainly wouldn't be tolerated, any more than being willfully disarmed should be.

And offering that they are..whomever "they" may be...not the government and therefore can drum up any law they so desire is poppycock of the highest order since they most assuredly would seek assistance from law enforcement, and that is of course a government entity.

Far too many good men have died to protect the rights all peoples are born with. I for one abhor those who would arbitrarily spit on such mens graves. And those who support and abet such goings on are by those actions as bad as the rights-robbers themselves.
 
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