getting caught with a bm 960 at disneyland

Fire_Brand said:
First I have to say Redisburning is absolutely right.

Obviously to all of us here, I personal rights are extremely important and thats something I respect and agree with. But what a lot of people are failing to recognize is that Disney's personal rights. Disney land/world is not our property, and is not public domain you pay to get in and are given permission to come onto their property and have to follow by their rules.

I live in Michigan, and under the law here it is legal to open carry a pistol. However if I had children I would not allow you to walk into my house with that pistol. Yes you are allowed to have that but it's also my property and I can tell you to get the hell off it if you are doing something I don't like. Same with Disney land, as long as they are not being discriminatory they can make you abide by whatever rules they choose. If they feel knives are threatening and not conducive to the environment there then by all means they can tell you not to have a knife with you.

You want your rights to be respected, you best respect the rights and freedoms of others as well.
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Exactly. :thumbup:

I am not in the habit of letting absolute strangers into my house -especially if they are carrying a gun. In this case, our rights would be preserved by allowing Disney to ban knives -just as we ban strangers from coming into our houses with guns. To tell Disney how to run their business would take away our own rights. If it was a public theme park it would be a different story.
 
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I think that an establishment that takes away your defense should be obligated to protect you. If you don't allow me to carry a knife into your establishment, then if someone tries to hurt me, you should stop them and if they DO hurt me, you should be responsible.

I normally don't have problems inside of establishments, or out really. I figure at a tourist destination like disneyland, parking lots are prime targets for going after someone for money. By not allowing me to take defense, you are leaving me vulnerable in the parking lot in both directions. I wonder what their answer would be to, "Okay, I will take it back to my car, but if I get attacked on the way back to the park, will the park pay my hospital bills?"

Someone I knew told me a story where he was in a bar (and most bars don't want you to bring in a weapon), and someone broke a beer bottle and stabbed someone in the neck. If I felt really threatened, I would probably just be ordering my drinks in a bottle.

The bad thing is, they will take away a knife, but arm everyone with glass, which can be worse.
 
golden chicken said:
funny. i was actually patted down at an aerosmith concert. the guy doing the patting completely missed the knife i had unclipped and dropped into the bottom of my pocket with my keys AND the flashlight in my carpenter jeans pocket.
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When I was at the bars in Costa Rica, bouncers started patting down all males. I left my Spyderco Dragonfly FS in my room, but kept my Fenix TK10 on me. They found it and had no idea what it was until I took it back and switched it on and off.
 
Doughnut said:
I think that an establishment that takes away your defense should be obligated to protect you. If you don't allow me to carry a knife into your establishment, then if someone tries to hurt me, you should stop them and if they DO hurt me, you should be responsible.

I normally don't have problems inside of establishments, or out really. I figure at a tourist destination like disneyland, parking lots are prime targets for going after someone for money. By not allowing me to take defense, you are leaving me vulnerable in the parking lot in both directions. I wonder what their answer would be to, "Okay, I will take it back to my car, but if I get attacked on the way back to the park, will the park pay my hospital bills?"

Someone I knew told me a story where he was in a bar (and most bars don't want you to bring in a weapon), and someone broke a beer bottle and stabbed someone in the neck. If I felt really threatened, I would probably just be ordering my drinks in a bottle.

The bad thing is, they will take away a knife, but arm everyone with glass, which can be worse.
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I hear what you are saying but I still don't let complete strangers with guns into my house. It is very questionable whether it would be in disney's interests to allow people to carry guns onto their property. I am guessing it would be bad for business.

Besides, it is always the consumer's choice to participate in a Disneyland experience. No one is forcing people to support Disneyland. It is just like all places we go in life -we enter at our own risk and if we don't like the risk then we don't enter.
 
I agree, ideally we would be able to leave stuff at the door and be able to get it back when we leave.

It would probably be near impossible to do this with thousands of customers.
 
Well as long as we imply that our knives are primarily for self defense the longer the ignorant companies and agencies will consider them weapons.

Frankly, I tried carrying my Urban because I expected the need with two kids and all the stuff we buy for them that may need extricated from the packaging.

Then of course there was the intangible urge to just have a pocket knife clipped to my pocket because that's who I am :)
 
Sure is a good thing that Disney never made any money off men with knives or guns...wait a minute...they did! :rolleyes:

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I like my pocket knives as much as anyone here but I don't think you'd possibly need one in disneyland?
 
Interesting as to the Arch. There in December 2009 and my Spyderco Endura Wave PASSED..the posted rule then was no knives 4" or more.[3 13/16" and they DID measure it] Belt off, empty pockets, coats/jackets on the deck for inspection.

Happy camper as was bitter cold with brisk winds and would have been a long haul back to my car.

As to the Arch the ride to the top is OK however the museum in the base is excellent and not to be missed, IMHO.
 
typical Disney insanity. Just one more reason I have not been to mouseland in over 20 years now.
 
people are too paranoid about knives now days. they just assume u will go nuts and start stabbing people as soon as they see u have a knife. like wat am i gonna do? stab mickey mouse?
 
I went to Six Flags once with my daughter's school class. I knew they didn't allow carry, so left my handgun in my car, but also didn't know they had metal detectors at the entrance.

As there was no wording prohibiting knives, I went through the metal detectors, and of course, set them off. The girl at the entrance simply motioned me past her to a small table about 10 yards into the park, where I was supposed to wait. So far as I know, nobody was watching to see if I stayed there.

I motioned the kids to go on into the park, and after about five minutes a tiny little older lady finally came up and asked me if I had "something to declare". I told her I had two knives. I pulled my Spyderco Police out of my pocket and handed it to her, then pulled my Cold Steel Mini Tanto out of my waist band.

I put them in her hand. She put the Spyderco on the table without a second look, but looked at the CS as if it were a snake.

"Don't you know better than to bring something like this to a place where there are children??"

I remained polite, with.... some..... effort. She gave me a claim ticket for my CS so I could pick it up when I left, but gave me the Spyderco back. The Spyderco, the blade of which is .5" longer than the blade of the CS.

Ridiculous.

Andy
 
you know I don't mind that they don't allow knives in but if ur gonna flag me down ask me about it and tell me I can't bring it in at least put up a sign saying no knives or something I think it was funny that I got caught but my gf who had her bag inspected and had a knife on her keychain they say nothing too , what's even more funny just walking around through the park I counted at least 7 other people with knives clipped to their pants but they got in no problem, I guess what gets me is so many people with knives made it through no problem there security sucks as far as I'm concerned
 
my leatherman lives in my camera bag.

i take my camera bag to big sporting events all the time.

never had a problem. although, the media-photographers pass around my neck might have something to do with that.
 
I can beat that. I am a Deputy Sheriff. I had a black t-shirt on that said Sheriff on it. Just one i brought at a local military style store. No offical departmental issued shirt.
They asked me to turn my shirt inside out.
They won't allow law enforment t-shirts either.
 
This is one of the two reasons all of my benchmade folders have the clips removed. Out of sight, out of mind.
 
I stupidly cut a coupon out while I was checking out in a chain grocery store - with my B-M 710 - clipless, of course. A bagger - probably 40's - saw me and said "That's a dangerous knife - you shouldn't have that in here!". The nicely dressed lady behind me said "He'd crap himself if he saw what was in my purse!". Yeah, and the S&W 296, a 5-shot AirLite Ti .44 Special snubby, in my other pocket might have gotten his attention, too. If a facility has a 'No Weapons' edict - and a proper label of such - I won't 'carry' anything that could be construed as a weapon, else I legally carry what I can when I can - and where I can. The only thing clipped on my pocket is a Surefire E1b 'Backup' flashlight - and it gets used all too regularly!

Stainz
 
There is a sense of frustration with the whole getting patted down/checked. I saw Phish a few times over the summer and got patted once. First time I saw them I had been to the concert center before and knew they patted down and made you empty your pockets, no problem since I left my Spyderco in the car. Second time I saw them I was in Chicago and I figured that they would pat me down and make me empty my pockets so I left my Spyderco in the car, but no, they were just checking bags/purses. Third time I saw them I did the same thing, just left my knife in the car. I didn't want to deal with it if they patted me down and found it. However, my buddy had a Kershaw clipped to his RFP that he had forgotten about, and he got in no problem. They didn't pat down or even bother checking unless you had a bag. I guess it just depends on where you go, and sucks to say, I'm sure appearance and how you carry yourself has to deal with some of it.

Canis

Edit to add: The first time a saw Phish I did see undercover DEA agents carrying Tazor/Stun guns clipped to their hips, the wind blowing sure helped make the gun visible. Also saw about 7 people getting arrested for selling/distributing drugs to undercover agents, who would think this would happen at a Phish concert? :).
 
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