glock 19 accolade

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I had a glock, but I am selling it. Did not point well at all, felt like a brick in my hand. and the trigger is long/heavy/crappy. Sure you can get it modified, but it will still retain the crappy ergos. The best pistol is one you can shoot well with. In my case, the Glock just doesn't work.

I had the similar problems with my Glock 22. It was the worst pointing pistol-for me-that I have ever handled. I sold mine for a 1911...;)

As for the question of a survival handgun, a Glock would probably be the best choice for an auto, but I would prefer something like a 4" Ruger GP100 over just about any auto in a survival situation. :thumbup:
 
I had a glock, but I am selling it. Did not point well at all, felt like a brick in my hand. and the trigger is long/heavy/crappy. Sure you can get it modified, but it will still retain the crappy ergos. The best pistol is one you can shoot well with. In my case, the Glock just doesn't work.

wow, thats certainly not been my impression of glocks lol, mine has great ergos and a great trigger, ya musta got a lemon or something, or just like " "(fill in the blank) better.

glocks are every bit as accurate, ergonomic, and reliable as most anything out there, the only con to them imho is that they are kinda blocky and for edc i think the poly kahrs (ie PM9, P9) have them beat for that, but there is nothing at all wrong with glocks. i carried a 26 or 33 for a few yrs though and was very happy with them before i got the poly kahrs, i really havent seriously considered packing any kind of pistol for SD other than kahr or glock for 15 yrs now, and i have a few to choose from (ie SIG, berretta, several 1911's, S&W, & walther to name a few)

50 bazzilion police depts cant be wrong lol.
 
for police use yes.

for survival.....no

survival outdoors should be a single action revolver. more robust...less moving parts..... stainless

ruger makes some fine ones in different calibers.

my recommendation: single six convertible....22lr/22mag 6" barrel
..........................or: blackhawk in 357mag

YMMV
 
The Glock only has about thirty some odd parts total and is a pretty damn simple firearm. Easy to use, easy to clean and maintain.

I carried Glocks for over twenty years of law enforcment duty (primarily 19 & 26) and used them on my SRT team for years as well. (As did many of the other departments I worked along with.)

While I agree it never fit my hand as well as or had the feel of my Gov't Model (Series 70) Colt .45, it never stovepiped or needed to be throated and polished either.

A more reliable firearm that is easy to use in a stressful situation would be hard to find imho.

YMMV etc.
 
So I guess the overwhelming majority states that as an auto, Glocks are tough as they come...but a revolver would be better for throwing in your pack in a survival situation.
 
Having owned both, I can't see why I'd choose a revolver (less firepower, more maintenance intensive, more parts) over a Glock or other quality semi-auto for carry in a pack. (I've only carried large heavy caliber handguns during outings in Alaska and didn't need to use one there except for diversion.)

I've carried my model 26 in a pack more times than I can remember and would never have replaced it with my (then) smallest revolver, a S & W 36 I used to carry on my ankle.

To each his own.
 
I offer another vote for Glock. I was a gun buyer back in the mid-1980s when Glock came to this country. The company I worked for was one of the first distributors for Glock. I personally owned one of the first Glock 19 handguns ever brought into this country. Over the years, while working in the gun industry, serving in the US Marine Corps, and being a police officer, I have owned or fired nearly every commercially available firearm you can name in the next five minutes...

So, with all that said, I believe that you will be best served with a Glock 9 mm, from the 17/19/26 family.

Think of a handgun as a "platform" rather than an individual item. When I say platform, I mean you will buy magazines, ammunition, sights, lights, lasers, et cetera. With a Glock, there is a dizzying number of accessories you can add to the gun if you see fit.

Reasons to buy a Glock 9 mm are these:

1. 9 mm ammo is one of the cheapest centerfire handgun calibers you can buy.

2. Glock 17 (17 shot) magazines can be purchased for less than $20 from many different sources. You should own at least seven magazines for every semi automatic handgun you own. this allows you to keep one loaded magazine in the weapon, two loaded as backup, and three additional to rotate. Remember that you can use G17 mags in all 9mm Glocks. Also, while the 9mm cartridge may not have the reputation the 45ACP enjoys, remember the Glock can hold 34 rounds (with a 33 round magazine) in a dead reliable configuration that is still relatively compact.

Make no mistake, if you really need to fire in anger, having 34 rounds of 9mm hollow points on tap trumps having only 8 (M1911 platform) or 6 (most medium frame revolvers)

3. The Glock 17, in 9 mm, has a reputation for being one of, if not the most, reliable firearm under every possible adverse condition. Don't take my word for it, the Internet is full of articles about torture tests against every other kind of semi-automatic firearm. Research for yourself...

4. Few firearms are easier to equip with a light, or laser and light combination.

5. Consider this scenario, then do your own research... If you had to walk into a gun store, pick any semi auto pistol on display, purchase it, load it with HOLLOW POINTS, put it in your holster and walk out into the world, knowing that at any moment you may have to use that pistol to defend yourself or your family... Which would you choose?

Me? Glock 17 with no hesitation.

My other recommendation is for a Smith & Wesson 357 Magnum (M13,19/66,27/28,581/6,681/6,etc) or a Ruger GP100 ...

1. Simplicity. Nothing is simpler than loading six cartridges into a cylinder and pulling the trigger six times. You will have to master the technique of shooting a double action trigger pull.

2. This revolver will handle every type of 38 special and 357 magnum cartridge. You can use 148 grain wadcutters at the range to cut a clean hole through a target, all the way up to a heavily loaded 357 magnum round which will do pretty much anything you would ever demand from a handgun. I believe the Navy SEALS used the S&W 66, and later the L-Frame 686. No better endorsement.

There are many other reasons for these two handguns, and I'm sure you will find other opinions.

As to the .22, a Ruger 10/22 with a bunch of magazines and a couple of bricks of Federal HP's (less than $10 from WalMart) is a requirement, regardless of the centerfire you choose.
 
...used them on my SRT team for years as well. (As did many of the other departments I worked along with.)


YMMV etc.

the SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM TEAM??


Had to, we have the same thing. people always say srt team. just makes me laugh.

:D
 
What can I tell ya? I worked for the Dept. of Redundancy Dept.

We used to be able to carry "cocked and locked" before the mandate to switch came sometime in the late 80's or early 90's.
 
We used to be able to carry "cocked and locked" before the mandate to switch came sometime in the late 80's or early 90's.

By "cocked and locked" you mean with a Browning Hi-Power system?

Anyway, I'm not much of a Glock guy. More of a SIG guy. For some reason I can't get down with the automatic decocking system that Glock employs.

Also, SIG makes the totally awesome Pterodactyl folder!! Made in Italy with N690 cobalt vanadium steel that is sharper than sh*t, this knife has quickly become one of my favorite edcs. Look for my complete review in a few more weeks. Here's a pic:

sig2ez1.jpg
 
By "cocked and locked" you mean with a Browning Hi-Power system?

Anyway, I'm not much of a Glock guy. More of a SIG guy. For some reason I can't get down with the automatic decocking system that Glock employs.


he most likely means a 1911 platform.

glock's system is striker fired. it is not technically double or single action, though it is closer in feel to sa because of the short consistent trigger pull.

there is no decocker. the pull of the trigger compresses the firing pin spring and drops it all in one short motion.
 
What can I tell ya? I worked for the Dept. of Redundancy Dept.

We used to be able to carry "cocked and locked" before the mandate to switch came sometime in the late 80's or early 90's.

ahhhh, the nationwide conversion to handguns with decockers. the solution to a problem that didnt exist. ;)

many agencies in my area are currently going back to either issuing 1911's or authorizing them for duty use.
 
he most likely means a 1911 platform.

glock's system is striker fired. it is not technically double or single action, though it is closer in feel to sa because of the short consistent trigger pull.

there is no decocker. the pull of the trigger compresses the firing pin spring and drops it all in one short motion.

Well although Glocks are technically slide-cocking, the hammer (they do have hammers, its just combined with the firing pin and called a "striker") automatically decocks itself every time the slide goes forward so every shot including the first one is via the trigger-cocking mode.

In other words, it is self-decocking or automatic decocking if that makes any sense. I just prefer the manual decocking platform of SIGS but I have shot Glocks and their trigger is pretty short and consistent. I also like their sights.
 
Yes, I was referring to a 1911. (Colt Gov't Model, Series 70)
 
Well although Glocks are technically slide-cocking, the hammer (they do have hammers, its just combined with the firing pin and called a "striker") automatically decocks itself every time the slide goes forward so every shot including the first one is via the trigger-cocking mode.

In other words, it is self-decocking or automatic decocking if that makes any sense. I just prefer the manual decocking platform of SIGS but I have shot Glocks and their trigger is pretty short and consistent. I also like their sights.

really? huh, when i went to armorer's school, i dont recall any part being referred to as a hammer.

and looking at a glock schematic, there is no part referred to as a hammer.

there is a firing pin and a firing pin spring. there is no hammer that strikes the firing pin driving it forward in to the primer.

it sounds as though you have come up with your own definitions for their parts and their system.
 
Survivalist? What's a survivalist? What are you planning to survive? :eek:

I own a Glock 17 and a 19, and I think the 19 is a fine medium caliber concealed weapon if you know how to use it.
 
Well although Glocks are technically slide-cocking, the hammer (they do have hammers, its just combined with the firing pin and called a "striker") automatically decocks itself every time the slide goes forward so every shot including the first one is via the trigger-cocking mode.
No hammer in a Glock. Just a striker.

Chuck Taylor, in the "Combat Handgunnery, 4th ed." calls is "semi-double action" and "condition one-and-a-half". From the book:
"The first half of its trigger completes the cocking process, then the second half allows the gun to fire in the usual manner."

I really like Glocks. Why? Because, you tend to use them the way a gun was intended to be used.

Personal preference, carry what works for you.
 
Out of the 9mm Glocks my favorite is the Glock 17. In a Survival situation I will take one of my Sig's or H&K's over a Glock. Just my personal preference even though the Glock 17 is a great weapon.
 
"....The best pistol is one you can shoot well with. In my case, the Glock just doesn't work.

One of the best answers in this thread, IMHO. Try before you buy. (And if I had followed my own advice, I wouldn't be sitting here with a new Sig-Sauer 25 that I have put maybe 50 rounds through and will never use again. I had great hopes for it when I bought it - and then found that in my hand, it's downright uncomfortable to hold and shoot.)

I have two 19's. Love 'em.
 
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