glock 19 accolade

One seriously popular weapon this 19 has turned out to be. My poll at work indicated a 80% preference over the 1911 style weapon. But, the most accurate pistols (they claim) are of the 1911 ilk.
 
Stubai said:
One seriously popular weapon this 19 has turned out to be. My poll at work indicated a 80% preference over the 1911 style weapon. But, the most accurate pistols (they claim) are of the 1911 ilk.
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ultimately i agree, the 1911 platform is more accurate.

however, all these pistols, glocks, sigs, 1911's, etc, can outshoot me.

i think one of the main reasons people like glocks is their simplicity. non-gun people can be taught maintenance with little effort.
 
Pahtoocara said:
No hammer in a Glock. Just a striker.

Chuck Taylor, in the "Combat Handgunnery, 4th ed." calls is "semi-double action" and "condition one-and-a-half". From the book:
"The first half of its trigger completes the cocking process, then the second half allows the gun to fire in the usual manner."

I really like Glocks. Why? Because, you tend to use them the way a gun was intended to be used.

Personal preference, carry what works for you.
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maybe he means the trigger reset when the slide cycles?
 
MORIMOTOM said:
maybe he means the trigger reset when the slide cycles?
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I think your right. Taylor and other experts speak highly of the Glock in all it's incarnations. And more recently, he recommended the Springfield XD saying it was on par with Glock.
 
Pahtoocara said:
I think your right. Taylor and other experts speak highly of the Glock in all it's incarnations. And more recently, he recommended the Springfield XD saying it was on par with Glock.
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since the glock safe action patent expired, there have been several "copies".

springfield xd, smith and wesson m&p, and the newest one, i think its a walther.
 
I once was invited to a gun range with some friends. On a cold morning, I was handed a stainless colt mark IV and proceeded to shoot amazingly tight groups with regular 230 grain ammo. The gun had custom grips which fit my hand perfectly.

Many years later, I would assume that, if I am up to it, that colt would be able to punch paper like crazy. There is just something about the way the 1911 points and feels that allows for great shot taking. Perhaps it is design and the configuration of the gun. It might be that those that grew up with the popular .45 have a certain psychological confidence when they grasp the venerable weapon. The size/diameter of the projectile has always inspired me and if you were the BG, you'd quickly be alarmed by the formidableness of the size hole this gun sports.

With the advent of the glocks you had those who hated them, some even stooping low enough to call them plastic pistols. My understanding is that Gaston Glock was quite an engineer and had a vision for the future. His designs have changed the world of pistols in a remarkable way.

I was reminded yesterday by one of my golf buddies that the 10mm is laying low, almost extinct in his eyes. He bought one for hunting and was very proud of it although the Norma ammo he was feeding it was highly expensive to digest. His glock would fit the bill of a 'survival gun' if you placed a premium on power.

Some questioned the word survival. I am weighing the word on the side of the one pistol which might fit most applications: emergency, hunting, home protection, range work, recreational weapon. There might be a better explanation of the survival word if it were not always used in a catchword manner. Of course, survival does mean vastly different things to various people.

The 9mm seems to be exceedingly popular, esp with glock owners. The 9mm is an old, workhorse. And indeed, it is fairly cheap these days and can be easily located in many retail outlets. Somebody one commented that the glock 19 9mm provides adequate power, is easily controlled and allows most novices to put shots on target without hours of range work. Add to that the ability of super simple takedown and you have a great product. Unless you are an expert, you can't take the 1911 and break it down as fast as a glock.
 
I was once told that in the early 1900's, John Browning search for the perfect grip rested on the handle of a hammer. He figured that the fighting men would probably be blue collar workers who would be used to the grip of a hammer.. both the size and angle of the model 1911 would follow those lines. Anyone ever hear this? I remember it was an old salt with years of gunsmithing in his corner but for the life of me cant remember who. Armand Swensen?
 
FireInvestigator said:
I was once told that in the early 1900's, John Browning search for the perfect grip rested on the handle of a hammer. He figured that the fighting men would probably be blue collar workers who would be used to the grip of a hammer.. both the size and angle of the model 1911 would follow those lines. Anyone ever hear this? I remember it was an old salt with years of gunsmithing in his corner but for the life of me cant remember who. Armand Swensen?
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I have never heard this before but it makes sense. Thanks for giving me something to research. :D
 
I've never heard that explaination of Browning's 1911 grip design, but it sounds cool. I'd like to see that in print somewhere.

I always thought his attempt at the perfect ergonomics was in the Hi-Power. Unfortunately, he died before it's production. Still, the Hi-Power ergos have always been among my favorites.

A core component of the Glock is the modified Browning blowback system. A time tested and reliable design.

To say the man was a genius is an understatement.
 
Have owned the 19 - sold it to "upgrade" to the .40 S&W version... I carry the 27 daily and take it hiking with me as I can conceal it relatively easily, and it has enough ammo to keep up with most requirements. Also have the medium version at home for emergencies, and it's magazines also fit the 27.
I also have a Springfield 1991-A1 and a S&W 686 as well as an old Berretta Mod. 70 in .22...

As to shootability, I can do fairly well with either of my Glocks... But I can outshoot both of them w/my 1991-A1 any day. The Glock and the 1911 styles have a way different ergonomic set up. And it takes a semi-conscious effort on my part to deal with that as I switch between them at the range; but once mastered, they both point and shoot easily.

And as an example - a freind brought her two young daughters to the range one day, @12 and 15 years old, maybe a year younger... They both shot the .22's available, the .38's we had, the Glocks in a variety of flavors... and then they both shot my 1911.. They each, the first time they picked it up, dropped 7 shots a piece into the black at 30'... When they each turned around, they both displayed the biggest grins I could ever imagine a young girl could have!!! :D They wouldn't shoot anything else after that!

But to go back to the original question: if it's an Urban survival thing, I already have my Glock, and with that I can probably procure what ever else I may need to survive. But if it's a SHTF situation requireng heading to the hills, I have my 686 in a survival vest with enough .357 to deal with larger stuff and my 70-S in .22 for food procurement...

Otherwise, if I had the option, a rifle or shotgun would be my druthers as long as I don't have to walk too far!!! :D
 
the glock is an excellent weapon system.

the 1911 is an excellent weapons system.

i shoot glocks well, i shoot my 1911's better. so i carry 1911's.

find a gun you are comfortable with and have confidence in. practice and carry away.

imo the 9mm v. .40 vs .45 is not all the relevant. with modern ammunition technology each performs respectably and each performs similarly. (not exactly, i know)
 
The Glock 19 is an awesome pistol. No bout adout it.

The biggest draw back to the Glock platform IMO is the inability to use the slide lock as a slide release. IOW you need to draw the slide back to recharge the pistol instead of just thumbing the slide release when you insert a new mag. This means two hands are required - or you need to perform a difficult 'squeeze with the knees' job...

This was not something I was aware of until recently. I always thought it was just a quirk of the 36 model - but apparently not; the slide lock is not supposed to function as a slide release on any of the Glocks.

...I would opt for a 22lr revolver as the ultimate survival handgun, in answer to the thread Q. A single shot 12ga could be the ultimate survival gun period IMO. But a G19 would be a fine choice for a concealable SHTF pistol - I just like the Springfiled XD a little better :)
 
James Green Dragon said:
The Glock 19 is an awesome pistol. No bout adout it.

The biggest draw back to the Glock platform IMO is the inability to use the slide lock as a slide release. IOW you need to draw the slide back to recharge the pistol instead of just thumbing the slide release when you insert a new mag. This means two hands are required - or you need to perform a difficult 'squeeze with the knees' job...

This was not something I was aware of until recently. I always thought it was just a quirk of the 36 model - but apparently not; the slide lock is not supposed to function as a slide release on any of the Glocks.
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James, that's just not right.

I, and every other agent and officer I've worked with for over twenty years did and do just what you say can't be done.

You certainly can thumb the slide release to chamber a round after inserting a new mag in a previously empty (slide back) Glock.
 
James Green Dragon said:
The Glock 19 is an awesome pistol. No bout adout it.

The biggest draw back to the Glock platform IMO is the inability to use the slide lock as a slide release. IOW you need to draw the slide back to recharge the pistol instead of just thumbing the slide release when you insert a new mag. This means two hands are required - or you need to perform a difficult 'squeeze with the knees' job...

This was not something I was aware of until recently. I always thought it was just a quirk of the 36 model - but apparently not; the slide lock is not supposed to function as a slide release on any of the Glocks.
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Hello James,
This is absolutely untrue...

I have owned these pistols since their introduction... I easily chamber a round by thumbing the slide stop down. If you are having problems doing that, install one of the factory extended releases and see what a difference it makes...

Tactically, some are trained to pull the slide to the rear to chamber. This is to take into account the difference between fine vs. gross motor skills during high stress in condition red, as well as adding that last bit of "oomph" to the slide by pulling it as far to the rear as it will go in order to take maximum advantage of the recoil spring and slide travel...
 
Pahtoocara said:
I've never heard that explaination of Browning's 1911 grip design, but it sounds cool. I'd like to see that in print somewhere.

I always thought his attempt at the perfect ergonomics was in the Hi-Power. Unfortunately, he died before it's production. Still, the Hi-Power ergos have always been among my favorites.

A core component of the Glock is the modified Browning blowback system. A time tested and reliable design.

To say the man was a genius is an understatement.
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Agree! I'm like you, I absolutely love the ergos of the Browning Hi Power. :thumbup: No gun fits my hand so perfectly as does the Hi Power. Next would be the 1911(in revolvers it's the 586/686 S&W). Double stacks dont fit me right, my adjusted grip has to flex around, throwing my hand/wrist out of alignment with my arm/shoulder. When shooting glocks or para ordinance guns I have to compensate. I have short fingers, I always stay away frrom large gripped guns. I have to. :grumpy:
 
ashtxsniper said:
FireInvestigator if you like the Browning Hi power's then maybe you will like this site I stumbled upon a few months back. http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/HiPowerComments.html
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:thumbup:

Very cool, mucho gracias amigo! That guy has done quite a bit of research. Amazing. Yeah, my very first "Real Quality" pistol was a Hi Power, fell in and stayed in love since then. Have even pondered picking up a .40 hi power...

Again, awesome links and thanks! :thumbup:
 
MORIMOTOM said:
the glock is an excellent weapon system.

the 1911 is an excellent weapons system.

i shoot glocks well, i shoot my 1911's better. so i carry 1911's.

find a gun you are comfortable with and have confidence in. practice and carry away.

imo the 9mm v. .40 vs .45 is not all the relevant. with modern ammunition technology each performs respectably and each performs similarly. (not exactly, i know)
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:thumbup:its not oten i see a post i agree with 110%.........
 
I have to agree about the grips on a Hi-Power. They are super comfortable! Yesterday I posed the question to a local peace officer. He said that Glock was king amongst his buddies but that SIG had a strong following. An added note: he said he'd reach for the 1911 in case he had to grab one pistol and head for the hills.

So far the 9mm is coming out on top as the caliber of choice with respect to my query and, while there are a lot of Glock lovers, the 1911 clan is sufficiently strong and confident in their weapon choice.
 
Blues said:
James, that's just not right.

I, and every other agent and officer I've worked with for over twenty years did and do just what you say can't be done.

You certainly can thumb the slide release to chamber a round after inserting a new mag in a previously empty (slide back) Glock.
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the fbi teaches their agents to use the slide stop to send it forward on their issue glock 22's. glock recommends not using it, its a slide stop, not slide release. but that doesnt mean it doesnt work or isnt reliable.

i train and teach to manually rack the slide, thereby compressing the recoil spring fully to improve reliability.

but lots and lots of people still use the slide stop on various autos.
 
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