Glock 26 19+1

[powernoodle]

This is edging into the fantasy world that the gun industry shills, the gun magazines and their self appointed 'guru's, like to push to sell stuff you'll never need.

Getting yanked out of a vehicle?

No, this is no fantasy world.

https://www.wave3.com/2020/06/18/pr...-altercation-with-driver-downtown-louisville/

 

[Charlie_K]

And this person can't be dealt with by anything like a Glock 26, Glock 43, S&W Bodyguard, Sig 365, Ruger LCP, Any J frame revolver in .38 special or even .357mag? Six or seven shots of 9mm or .380 is not going to solve a close encounter of the ugly kind with that person who is not thinking and acting rationally and has no regard to the consequences of assaulting you?

Well let's see. How many incidents have occurred, just in the last year alone, because the one being presented as a victim of an unjust system thought they could physically fight law enforcement and emerge unscathed? How many people have actually demonstrated a complete disregard for their own well being, even when they were facing down a gun aimed at them, and having every reason to know they could and will get killed if they didn't settle down, but chose to escalate the situation regardless?

People are stupid, Jackknife. That's been my findings. And when stupid people assemble into large crowds where there's lots of screaming, repeating, and physical movement, they get even stupider. That's the only way to explain the kind of stuff we're seeing.

I have a number of simple mottos I live by, one of which is: Don't commit a crime, don't resist arrest, don't get killed in the process. It's very simple, very basic, very straight to the point, and doesn't require anything other than a little bit of self-restraint. But to so many in the world, this simple motto proves to be utterly impossible to comprehend, and even more impossible to actually abide by. They act like they're entitled to commit crimes because the rules don't apply to them, and then react violently when met with resistance or opposition. People like that make me lose faith in humanity, one person at a time.

 

[jackknife]

No, this is no fantasy world.

https://www.wave3.com/2020/06/18/pr...-altercation-with-driver-downtown-louisville/

And how many shots were fired?

 

[22-rimfire]

Well let's see. How many incidents have occurred, just in the last year alone, because the one being presented as a victim of an unjust system thought they could physically fight law enforcement and emerge unscathed? How many people have actually demonstrated a complete disregard for their own well being, even when they were facing down a gun aimed at them, and having every reason to know they could and will get killed if they didn't settle down, but chose to escalate the situation regardless?

People are stupid, Jackknife. That's been my findings. And when stupid people assemble into large crowds where there's lots of screaming, repeating, and physical movement, they get even stupider. That's the only way to explain the kind of stuff we're seeing.

It is the herd or pack mentality that makes protesters believe they are immune to the law. Toss in some racial issues and you have friction.

And how many shots were fired?

I don't subscribe to the carry multiple magazine mentality. I'm comfortable with a revolver whether it be 5 shots or 8 or 10 shots possible in the cylinder. These things happen VERY quickly and are over very quickly. I watched a video of the young man who was shot and killed.... I would be looking for the two guys that high tailed it out of there as quickly as they could to blend into the crowd.

They should make it a rule.... no masks with protesters. Maintain social distancing.....

 

[Charlie_K]

And how many shots were fired?

More than should've ever come to pass if people were rational and reasonable in their behavior.

They should make it a rule.... no masks with protesters. Maintain social distancing.....

I've got a better idea. Arrest absolutely everyone physically involved with a protest during the current coronavirus situation, and who isn't maintaining social distancing standards and/or guidelines.

 

[jackknife]

More than should've ever come to pass if people were rational and reasonable in their behavior.

Answer the question, how many rounds fired????

None. Zero. Zilch. It appears that a compact sedan has more power than a gun as the driver just hit the protester and drove on. No charges pending against the driver. Your link just shows that a gun was not even needed by an alert driver who used the gas pedal to get clear.

How many rounds were fired by the stupid kid who went out of his way to go to a protest with an AR-15?

Three rounds fired, three hit, two dead one injured. He's claiming self defense. In spite of having a 20 round magazine in place. Three rounds.

Come on, try harder. Show me where a civilian needed more than what the average revolver carries. Ho many rounds did the guy at the church here in Texas use to stop a mass shooter? Two.

 

[powernoodle]

Show me where a civilian needed more than what the average revolver carries.

No. We don't have to justify carrying more ammo than you do.

Carl, you have a strong minimalist worldview when it comes to EDC. You have written about it eloquently over the years, and how it derives from your childhood experiences. But we don't have to engage in minimalism just because you do.

It is very unlikely that any of us will ever deploy our EDC guns in self defense. And thank you sweet baby Jesus for that. And even less likely that we will ever need a reload. But that's not the salient point.

While savages roam the downtown streets of my city, and 80 people threatened to burn down the house of our Attorney General, and 200 "black militia" came to town just last week and threatened us with AR-15's, it makes me feel better to carry a higher capacity gun and a couple of spare mags.

There is no downside to carrying more ammo, and no one has to justify it to you. Its nothing personal. But just because you carry a Leatherman PS4, it doesn't mean than I can't carry a Swisstool. And just because you carry a J-frame or an LCP II, it doesn't mean that I have to justify carrying a Glock 17 with 19+1 and a couple of spare mags. Were I forced to go downtown to rescue Mrs. Powernoodle while the savages were running wild (she works downtown and someone blew up an IED in her parking lot this summer), I'd have an AK-47 and 10x mags in my front seat.

So with respect (and I mean that, as you have earned it over the years), I reject your question. We don't have to justify what we carry. That's the whole point of being Free. Maybe you should re-examine why you think we need to justify it to you.

 

[Bigfattyt]

Carry a S&W six shooter and learn to make each and every shot count.

I bet the way most people who shoot 20 round guns would only wing a couple people and kill one.

I have a 6 shooter and 5 shooter in .357. I can guarantee I can shoot my 15 round glock 40 faster, and wirh greater accuracy than my snub nose .357!

The benefit of large pistols is they handle like large pistols..

I frequenrly carry my .357 with 5 rounds and 3 reloads. So 20 rounds total.

With my sub compact .40 I get 6 in the gun, and 3 reloads for a total of 27 rounds.

When I carry my full size .40, I get 42 ( could get 45, but I typically carry each mag with 14 instead of 15)

 

[ndmiller]

No one here has been dragged out of their car or truck. It was a news item in some of the "protests" and happened a couple times. They were beaten badly. To me that is a life threatening situation worthy of using a gun to defend yourself. I would rather go down fighting than go down just beaten up and possibly suffer permanent damage or worse. Frankly I don't know why more of these people haven't been shot at this point.

My point is a bit of situational awareness and don't be a hero/vigilante common sense will keep you from driving up on a mob of people. Ignoring that and generally no-one is a winner based on current events.

 

[jkwithawave]

Bigfattyt

Why 14 instead of 15 in your full size mags?

 

[JAB]

Yes, its hideous. But what it lacks in aesthetics, it makes up for with utility. The G26 with G19X 19-round mag and X-Grip gives you 20 rounds in a pretty compact package. Notable contenders in the capacity/size contest include the 15+1 P365 and the G43X/G48 with the Shield Arms 15 round mag.

15+1 P365.

Poor man's G19X. This has been my primary carry during this trying, albeit temporary season of social distancing and savagery.

I’m diggin’ the powernoodle blue P365!

 

[colubrid]

I have a 6 shooter and 5 shooter in .357. I can guarantee I can shoot my 15 round glock 40 faster, and wirh greater accuracy than my snub nose .357!

The benefit of large pistols is they handle like large pistols..

I frequenrly carry my .357 with 5 rounds and 3 reloads. So 20 rounds total.

With my sub compact .40 I get 6 in the gun, and 3 reloads for a total of 27 rounds.

When I carry my full size .40, I get 42 ( could get 45, but I typically carry each mag with 14 instead of 15)

Sorry i did not mean a snub nose J frame or any snub nose revolver. But the larger K or L with 3"-4" barrel.


A 5 shot J Frame is really hard to shoot and almost impractical except for pocket carry and a snub nose 6 shot K frame is also very hard to shoot.

 

[Bigfattyt]

Sorry i did not mean a snub nose J frame or any snub nose revolver. But the larger K or L with 3"-4" barrel.


A 5 shot J Frame is really hard to shoot and almost impractical except for pocket carry and a snub nose 6 shot K frame is also very hard to shoot.

I sboot my 5 shot .357 snub Sp101 well. My Kframe model 66.357 is a real sweet shooter, but I would choose my .40 Glock 22c every time for "social work"

 

[d762nato]

Bigfattyt

Why 14 instead of 15 in your full size mags?

Probably an old school thing like the old m-16 mags, they were loaded with a rd or two less for reliability purposes.

 

[22-rimfire]

Probably an old school thing like the old m-16 mags, they were loaded with a rd or two less for reliability purposes.

I think it's a spring resistance thing.... the spring gets pretty tight as you approach it's capacity. I do the same thing often..... just lazy for the most part. But I use revolvers more often than semi-autos anyway.

 

[jkwithawave]

That makes sense. Glock mag springs are pretty tight. My 10 rounders for the 48 are like that and so were the 15 from Sheildarms before I put the extra coil springs in. Function much better with them in too.

 

[sodak]

I sboot my 5 shot .357 snub Sp101 well. My Kframe model 66.357 is a real sweet shooter, but I would choose my .40 Glock 22c every time for "social work"

While I agree that's a fine choice, I was really surprised shooting the Glock 20 (10 mm). Maybe I had some soft loads, but it was a joy to shoot, without all the snap I get from my Glock 22. It's a bit too large for concealed carry and my hands, but it shocked me how nicely it shot. Very controllable and all that.

For "social work", I still prefer my GP100. The weight of the gun really tames the recoil. The last time I checked the FBI statistics (and it has been a while), the .357 Federal 125 gr. hollowpoint still has the best record for one shot stops, somewhere above 95%, IIRC.

Of course, if you hit your target correctly, even a .22lr will suffice. Not that I'm recommending it....

 

[DMG]

And this person can't be dealt with by anything like a Glock 26, Glock 43, S&W Bodyguard, Sig 365, Ruger LCP, Any J frame revolver in .38 special or even .357mag? Six or seven shots of 9mm or .380 is not going to solve a close encounter of the ugly kind with that person who is not thinking and acting rationally and has no regard to the consequences of assaulting you?

Real life is not the Walking Dead and mowing down ranks of zombies while getting gas. Nor is it armed resistance to Chinese paratroopers while yelling 'Wolverines' while standing ankle deep in warm brass. The gun industry has done a superlative job on selling fantasy to the guidable masses of gun nuts with more money than common sense. Of the people that I actually know personally, who've had to pull the trigger on another person, to include myself in Washington D.C., none of them used more than three rounds. My own shooting situation was over in two shots. The one I witnessed first hand outside Gaffney's Irish Bar on the corner of 14th street and Colorado, was over in three fast shots from a RG.22 revolver. My own sister, Anne, had to shoot in 1978 in Baltimore Maryland, and it was over in two shots. My own son, a Montgomery Country Police officer, used two rounds rounds of 9mm and he said the second one was unneeded, but they were trained and he practiced so much with a double tap, that he did just automatically did what they practiced.

All the years living in and around D.C. in areas of higher than normal crime, I knew people who had to use a firearm, sometimes not within the overly restrictive anti gun environment. They had to run from the scene as much as the accomplices of the would be criminal. None of them ever needed more than a few shots at a very close range, in a few seconds. Then it was all over one way or the other.

I don't go by gun magazines but what goes on in real life. I'll leave the massive shootouts to Hollywood.

I am not saying you are entirely wrong but you are describing shootings from the past. We are now seeing an upsurge in large, violent mobs in urban areas. Parts of major cities now look like Mogadishu.

if I had to go into a large city right now I would carry extra ammo, too.

 

[22-rimfire]

I am not saying you are entirely wrong but you are describing shootings from the past. We are now seeing an upsurge in large, violent mobs in urban areas. Parts of major cities now look like Mogadishu.

if I had to go into a large city right now I would carry extra ammo, too.

Yep. You modify your approach to fit the situation as best you can.

 

[BBW]

What you are forgetting is that this mobs are actually getting armed to protest. I have seen a few pictures of them stopping cars with guns in their hands...
I will still floor it first and then get into a gun fight if needed. I'm not getting pulled out of my car, I can assure you that

This is edging into the fantasy world that the gun industry shills, the gun magazines and their self appointed 'guru's, like to push to sell stuff you'll never need.

Getting yanked out of a vehicle?

Assuming that you don't have enough where-with-all to hit the gas and see if they can stop 3,000 pounds of car, then a shot right in the face of the first person who leans in to grab you will cause some soul searching. if not, then the second person to get get shot right in the face, and maybe a third...

By the time five or six have got shot, the crowd may be getting some change of heart. We had a soldier from Ft. Hood here in Texas, that was moonlighting as a Uber driver. He took a paying fare to Austin and got caught up in a mess. He had a Texas carry license, and when they stopped his car, and tried to do what you say, the first one yanking open his car door got shot. The mob then thought the better of their actions. No charges agains the soldier.

Gunshots and people falling make mobs get attitude adjustments very fast.