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I understand, munk. I have thought about it a few times as well. However, by and large, what Spark has here is a good thing to support. It shocks me to say it, but I have just had more things on my plate that I would rather put time into rather than knives. However, i see myself around here in some form or another for a long time to come.
Whatever your choices may be, please do keep stopping by.
Jake
Whatever your choices may be, please do keep stopping by.
Jake
I meant only what I said. Yangdu's plate is full, which I won't go into, and I'm not the vanguard of a revolution. But I cannot simply say nothing about what is happening. I do not wish to see our beloved HI forum become a place solely of light chit chat based upon hunting, fishing, and knives. It is ultimately our responsibility.
I could no more pull the HI out of my system than forget Rusty or Yangdu. They are my best friends, one presently incorporal, one manifest.
But we come here to talk to each other. We've made this place special because of that. Members have announced their impending departures from the planet to us out of that respect. They did not have to. It was an honor, an acknowledgement of something here beyond the ordinary.
munk
I could no more pull the HI out of my system than forget Rusty or Yangdu. They are my best friends, one presently incorporal, one manifest.
But we come here to talk to each other. We've made this place special because of that. Members have announced their impending departures from the planet to us out of that respect. They did not have to. It was an honor, an acknowledgement of something here beyond the ordinary.
munk
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I see a lot more tension on the boards in general. Antagaonisms over the For Sale boards and new rules that limit commentary and bumps. The whole Strider thread that has led to a lot of division. And the draconian measures here of late when anything that hints of "political" comes around. Pure silliness on all fronts IMO.
I think I'm going to take a break myself. I'll pop up then and again, but the board is turning into something a little different than it once was. Might be a good time to take a page out of old Sarge's book and focus on the things that are more immediate.
I think I'm going to take a break myself. I'll pop up then and again, but the board is turning into something a little different than it once was. Might be a good time to take a page out of old Sarge's book and focus on the things that are more immediate.
I am a fairly new, fairly inactive member, but the cantina has always seemed like a great community to me, I would hate to see that fade away. I'm going to be really cliche here and quote ghandi "Be the change that you would see in the world." Or in this case, maybe the lack of change. I purpose we carry on as we always have and let things sort themselves out. As to the political/apolitical nature of the cantina, politics is just discusion among equals of the public good. I really dont see what is so wrong with that.
You're right, Grob. As this community is what we make it, how we act while here matters. Our actions make the community ... as much as it also makes us.
I'm uncomfortable with calling recent actions "draconian." And I'm not trying to lead a revolution either ... but I don't quite understand. I wonder if some of the threads I've started in the past, or that people like Howard Wallace started, would be as welcome. We've talked long and hard about gun laws, about terrorism and its causes ... about meaning. I would be sorry were we not to have the opportunity to talk about such things, in the same open and respectful way that's led to a bunch of what I've experienced as important learning.
t.
I'm uncomfortable with calling recent actions "draconian." And I'm not trying to lead a revolution either ... but I don't quite understand. I wonder if some of the threads I've started in the past, or that people like Howard Wallace started, would be as welcome. We've talked long and hard about gun laws, about terrorism and its causes ... about meaning. I would be sorry were we not to have the opportunity to talk about such things, in the same open and respectful way that's led to a bunch of what I've experienced as important learning.
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The political forum is a nice place to get political rebukes and rebutals, but its not a place where I'm going to say that I'm afraid of things. Its not a place I would want to show weakness or humanity.
The cantina is. The people who frequent here are generally of a more personal type, and I enjoy heart felt responses.
If the cantina was initially created, or has become, a sorting ground for off topic subjects to be sent elsewhere, then I completely understand from a moderators perspective why this would be beneficial, and even needed. But I can also understand how it undermines the smaller localized community of those who most often frequent HI's forum then the rest of the board, who do not wish to partake in other seperate dedicated forums. It's a hard line to decide on whats best...
It's kinda like in class when your talking to your freind in whispers, and the teacher asks if you want to stand up and tell the whole class whats so important. The answer is inevitably no, thats why you were whispering in the first place.
The cantina is a unique place on bladeforums, it's one of the only non specialized sub forums. I'm not sure that its hardline structure was ever really set in place, and its still a questionable situation. If I had to set down hard rules about what's allowed and whats not, from a moderators perspective, my first inclination would be to send specialized threads to specialized forums. But I certainly see why that can be a bad thing...
The cantina is. The people who frequent here are generally of a more personal type, and I enjoy heart felt responses.
If the cantina was initially created, or has become, a sorting ground for off topic subjects to be sent elsewhere, then I completely understand from a moderators perspective why this would be beneficial, and even needed. But I can also understand how it undermines the smaller localized community of those who most often frequent HI's forum then the rest of the board, who do not wish to partake in other seperate dedicated forums. It's a hard line to decide on whats best...
It's kinda like in class when your talking to your freind in whispers, and the teacher asks if you want to stand up and tell the whole class whats so important. The answer is inevitably no, thats why you were whispering in the first place.
The cantina is a unique place on bladeforums, it's one of the only non specialized sub forums. I'm not sure that its hardline structure was ever really set in place, and its still a questionable situation. If I had to set down hard rules about what's allowed and whats not, from a moderators perspective, my first inclination would be to send specialized threads to specialized forums. But I certainly see why that can be a bad thing...
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Guyon and Munk,
Well said.:thumbup:
I'll always post here because I love HI, Yangdu, all of y'all, and what HI is all about.
However like what so many have said what I CAN talk about is less than back in the day. But I WILL still talk about what is still ALLOWED.
As far as the antagonisim Guyon mentioned, I think it's winter and everybody has a bit of cabin fever maybe?:thumbup:
Well said.:thumbup:
I'll always post here because I love HI, Yangdu, all of y'all, and what HI is all about.
However like what so many have said what I CAN talk about is less than back in the day. But I WILL still talk about what is still ALLOWED.
As far as the antagonisim Guyon mentioned, I think it's winter and everybody has a bit of cabin fever maybe?:thumbup:
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Some of us having been taking regular "breaks" already. And perhaps more of us would benefit from some self-imposed "time off" every now and then as well. I think we'd be a lot more forgiving and we'd be more willing to hold our tongues and let things slide.
That is what's missing...
Not political threads...not idle chit-chat. The "letting things slide". Bill was a master at this and we do his memory a disservice by not doing our best to emulate it in ourselves in our posting on the forum.
Now, I've said enough. I am as guilty as anybody here. I can be hot-headed and heavy-handed just like anybody else. I like to think that I've learned to hold back...that I'm better today than I was 2/15/06. I've had to literally turn off the computer sometimes just so I wouldn't be tempted to post something I'd regret...or worse, engage in snobbery or one-upsmanship.
And perhaps more of us would benefit from some self-imposed "time off" every now and then as well. I think we'd be a lot more forgiving and we'd be more willing to hold our tongues and let things slide.That is what's missing...
Not political threads...not idle chit-chat. The "letting things slide". Bill was a master at this and we do his memory a disservice by not doing our best to emulate it in ourselves in our posting on the forum.
Now, I've said enough. I am as guilty as anybody here. I can be hot-headed and heavy-handed just like anybody else. I like to think that I've learned to hold back...that I'm better today than I was 2/15/06. I've had to literally turn off the computer sometimes just so I wouldn't be tempted to post something I'd regret...or worse, engage in snobbery or one-upsmanship.
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Word. To me, there is usually a different "tone" to Cantina threads that make this place special. While we dissagree, often mightily, about culture, politics, or even religion, the Cantina has afforded us a higher ground to do it in. Respect in discourse is a hard thing to come by in this age of shout down punditry and jingoism. We should strive to maintain the best in what we have in this place. Contributions from Munk, T Fetter, Nasty, Yangdu, Ysva, Spectre, and many others have made this place what it is. Uncle Bill started all this, how we maintain it will contribute to its future. A newbie's .02
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i've been more absent from the cantina than i actually had liked, and i've come back a bit to take a quick scan, and see who needed smoke now and again, but mostly, i've taken some time for other things...
time well spent too...
and i'll continue to stick my nose in here. as well as the main HI area, more so. i'm finding i'm more interested in certain aspects, history, how-tos and the human parts.
however, as someone who also has stepped on rules that didn't appear to be written down or well defined, had posts moved, had to rewrite posts and substantially change the tone, and otherwise had content edited to fit... i find i am less likely to be "all that is me" authentic. shrug. i'm more likely to delete a post, or a thought, than run with it now. perhaps this is widsom.
i've also recently gone from gold to plain, and while this limits some of the shopping opps, and esp being able to sell, in the short term, this doesn't affect me. i'm long pondering if going gold again has any benefits than "status'. another thing to probably not post about.
enjoy every khukri, from sea to shiny sea, and catch you on the flip side.
bladite
time well spent too...
and i'll continue to stick my nose in here. as well as the main HI area, more so. i'm finding i'm more interested in certain aspects, history, how-tos and the human parts.
however, as someone who also has stepped on rules that didn't appear to be written down or well defined, had posts moved, had to rewrite posts and substantially change the tone, and otherwise had content edited to fit... i find i am less likely to be "all that is me" authentic. shrug. i'm more likely to delete a post, or a thought, than run with it now. perhaps this is widsom.
i've also recently gone from gold to plain, and while this limits some of the shopping opps, and esp being able to sell, in the short term, this doesn't affect me. i'm long pondering if going gold again has any benefits than "status'. another thing to probably not post about.
enjoy every khukri, from sea to shiny sea, and catch you on the flip side.
bladite
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Understood, munk.
Many of us, I think, only or mostly post here. Because we like it here, for whatever reason. Each forum within BF really is a seperate, different place. The Busse fanatics, the Spyerco fans, whatever.
The people who post here regularly make the forum what it is.
I rarely even look at Whine & Cheese- fighting or trading jabs with opponents is part of my real life and doesn't interest me online.
Same for Pirate's Cove. If I wanted to look at, ahem, *pix* I'd find them somewhere else. Not in a dam_ knife forum. Dude, that's wierd.
What I come for is the peer group. Intelligent discussion among us. So if we were to talk about *the Elbonian problem* for example, I'd want to discuss that topic with you guys, not with strangers over in some other forum. Unless you've read dozens of somebody's posts, you don't know them. And who cares what a stranger thinks? ICCL.
Americans, by the way, love freedom- and enjoy the freedom of choice.
Mike
Many of us, I think, only or mostly post here. Because we like it here, for whatever reason. Each forum within BF really is a seperate, different place. The Busse fanatics, the Spyerco fans, whatever.
The people who post here regularly make the forum what it is.
I rarely even look at Whine & Cheese- fighting or trading jabs with opponents is part of my real life and doesn't interest me online.
Same for Pirate's Cove. If I wanted to look at, ahem, *pix* I'd find them somewhere else. Not in a dam_ knife forum. Dude, that's wierd.
What I come for is the peer group. Intelligent discussion among us. So if we were to talk about *the Elbonian problem* for example, I'd want to discuss that topic with you guys, not with strangers over in some other forum. Unless you've read dozens of somebody's posts, you don't know them. And who cares what a stranger thinks? ICCL.
Americans, by the way, love freedom- and enjoy the freedom of choice.
Mike
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Are you implying that watching me trash the M14 and defend Japan's actions during WWII are not worth $25 a year? I'm hurt. (Not really, but it seemed like the right thing to say.)
As with anything, everyone must figure out their level of involvement. I'm not sure that I'm going to kick down any money this year either. We'll see.
As with anything, everyone must figure out their level of involvement. I'm not sure that I'm going to kick down any money this year either. We'll see.
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If it werent for the Cantina I wouldnt be hanging much around BF.com anyways.
I never saw a reason to buy a Goldmembership (or anything) from someone who obviously despises foreign customers (or maybe even foreigners in general, I dont know).
But, things have changed here too. Political threads...well, I didnt participate in those anyway, anymore. I have gotten the impression that different opinions werent much appreciated. Any frankly, I am not even sure if I even miss threads that start with generalisations such as "Europeans are spineless".
On a second thought - no, I dont miss those.
Keno
I never saw a reason to buy a Goldmembership (or anything) from someone who obviously despises foreign customers (or maybe even foreigners in general, I dont know).
But, things have changed here too. Political threads...well, I didnt participate in those anyway, anymore. I have gotten the impression that different opinions werent much appreciated. Any frankly, I am not even sure if I even miss threads that start with generalisations such as "Europeans are spineless".
On a second thought - no, I dont miss those.
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Dave I will give you the "HD Devils Advocate" award for that one:thumbup: and if you ever want to put in to work at the Toyota plant here you should copy that thread and include it w/ your resume.
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