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Goncz Titanium Knife / Flashlights
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I would rather have a sling shot over the goncz (note lack of capital) anything. If I recall the movie, a simple rock was used to beat what was allegedly a goncz pistol. A large amount of truth in the fiction. HAAA HAAA HAAA!!!
Do not forget the new truth in advertising saying,
"Goncz Hi-Tech, flashlights that leaves the gerbil holes in the Dark!!!!"
HAAA HAAA HAAA!!
Enjoy!
All the very best regards,
Stuart (or to you lajos, it's Mr. Gatz)
Do not forget the new truth in advertising saying,
"Goncz Hi-Tech, flashlights that leaves the gerbil holes in the Dark!!!!"
HAAA HAAA HAAA!!
Enjoy!
All the very best regards,
Stuart (or to you lajos, it's Mr. Gatz)
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Goncz, you still need to meet your obligations, period.
You've spectacularly failed to meet our requirements, neccessitating other actions. You've been given tons of chances to do the right thing, and all I hear from you are half baked excuses.
Do the right thing, or face the consequences.
You've spectacularly failed to meet our requirements, neccessitating other actions. You've been given tons of chances to do the right thing, and all I hear from you are half baked excuses.
Do the right thing, or face the consequences.
Blade_420:
Sir. Do yourself a favor and check out the Dorcy Spyder tac light that was mentioned earlier. I would recommend checking with some of the other forum members or the businesses associated to this web site to see if they carry this manufacturer because most of them appear to be honorable. If none of the aforementioned carry or offer the Dorcey you might be able to pick a set (thats two) up at a Costco store for about $ 27.00. To keep this in line with this thread and in "light" of the original comparison/function issues of this thread, I am extremely impressed with my humble testing thusfar (although I am not a professional tester, etc, I am in the process of a volume purchase order of lighting equipment). Keep in mind that Dorcy does not appear to have the apparent overly inflated expectations and embellishments of the little goncz but then again at the price, it does not allege to compete with the Surefire, Streamlight, or other high end tactical lights that heve proven themselves over time. Hell, at that price you can obtain four or six lights at the price of a goncz and not need to worry about the poor craftsmanship/poor design inherent to the little goncz.
All the very best regards,
Stuart
Sir. Do yourself a favor and check out the Dorcy Spyder tac light that was mentioned earlier. I would recommend checking with some of the other forum members or the businesses associated to this web site to see if they carry this manufacturer because most of them appear to be honorable. If none of the aforementioned carry or offer the Dorcey you might be able to pick a set (thats two) up at a Costco store for about $ 27.00. To keep this in line with this thread and in "light" of the original comparison/function issues of this thread, I am extremely impressed with my humble testing thusfar (although I am not a professional tester, etc, I am in the process of a volume purchase order of lighting equipment). Keep in mind that Dorcy does not appear to have the apparent overly inflated expectations and embellishments of the little goncz but then again at the price, it does not allege to compete with the Surefire, Streamlight, or other high end tactical lights that heve proven themselves over time. Hell, at that price you can obtain four or six lights at the price of a goncz and not need to worry about the poor craftsmanship/poor design inherent to the little goncz.
All the very best regards,
Stuart
wolfmann601
Gone, but not forgotton. RIP Ira.
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Spark, can you tell us a little more? I am curious as to exactly how he mis-handled this business venture.
Note:
On 6-15-03 goncz alleged that the one stop knive shop would be receiving a shipment of light devices for retail sale. Just curious if that was a legitimate statement and if the arraingement was ever completed.
All the very best regards,
Stuart
On 6-15-03 goncz alleged that the one stop knive shop would be receiving a shipment of light devices for retail sale. Just curious if that was a legitimate statement and if the arraingement was ever completed.
All the very best regards,
Stuart
Gentlemen:
I attempted to follow the link from goncz post of 6-15-03 and it appeared that the link to the one stop knive store was invalid. I did however locate the comapny via another search and it does indeed exist. There does not appear to be any goncz products currently listed with one stop knive store. Does anyone know if there was actually any business relationship between goncz and this company and if so, what was the result? Good, bad, never developed? goncz referred to a pending business relationship...
Wolfmann, I can only speculate at what Spark's intent was at the most recent comment but based upon the origin and history here it appears that goncz may have posted his original message as a "hello, look me, look me!!" with a link to his web site. This was most likely a vain attempt to generate interest/business in his "company" and product without the usual investment of advertising or joining this fourm with the requisite fees required of an advertising level company. Spark may be able to verify or explain this. In addition, ambiguous references to "contracts with military units" may also be attempts at generating interest in his "products" because we all know that the general perception is that "if the military is using it or testing it, it must be good."
Most legitimate companies use a similar advertising campaign to determine potential customer interest in a product before investing in production/warehousing of the product. But of course most legitimate companies actually invest in the advertising campaign and do not attempt to squeeze a freebee from their potential market.
It would appear that I am most fortunate to not have made any orders with this individual.
All the very best regards,
Stuart
I attempted to follow the link from goncz post of 6-15-03 and it appeared that the link to the one stop knive store was invalid. I did however locate the comapny via another search and it does indeed exist. There does not appear to be any goncz products currently listed with one stop knive store. Does anyone know if there was actually any business relationship between goncz and this company and if so, what was the result? Good, bad, never developed? goncz referred to a pending business relationship...
Wolfmann, I can only speculate at what Spark's intent was at the most recent comment but based upon the origin and history here it appears that goncz may have posted his original message as a "hello, look me, look me!!" with a link to his web site. This was most likely a vain attempt to generate interest/business in his "company" and product without the usual investment of advertising or joining this fourm with the requisite fees required of an advertising level company. Spark may be able to verify or explain this. In addition, ambiguous references to "contracts with military units" may also be attempts at generating interest in his "products" because we all know that the general perception is that "if the military is using it or testing it, it must be good."
Most legitimate companies use a similar advertising campaign to determine potential customer interest in a product before investing in production/warehousing of the product. But of course most legitimate companies actually invest in the advertising campaign and do not attempt to squeeze a freebee from their potential market.
It would appear that I am most fortunate to not have made any orders with this individual.
All the very best regards,
Stuart
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Stu, 1SKS most definitely exists. It is owned by Spark. The reason that there are no Goncz products on the 1SKS website is that Spark has ethics and will not sell products from companies that do not.
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I'm not here to tell anyone how to do business. Especially Spark with BFC and 1SKS. He is way more savvy than I am. But I think it's time to quit dicking around and give this gerbil hole a complete boot. He has been given many chances. And has not come clean. But. Big but, I think this and related threads should be kept for entertainment value. Sorta like a movie horror series. Goncz XXII the return of the return. 
Cougar Allen
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We believe it is a public service to allow Mr. Goncz to post as much as he wants. Every time he posts he lets more people know what kind of person they'll be dealing with if they buy from him. The last thing we want to do is ban him from posting -- we hope he keeps it up!
'Way back at the beginning of this, our fearless leader was considering adding Goncz flashlights at 1SKS. That didn't happen -- if you search this forum for posts by Spark including Goncz you can find out why it didn't. (I don't remember whether it's in this thread or one of the others, but a search will find it quickly).
The fact I have to keep reposting this is proof that allowing Mr. Goncz to go on posting is not a waste of bandwidth. People keep arriving who didn't see the beginning of this and might never have found out about all this if Mr. Goncz weren't allowed to keep bringing it up again.
Mr. Goncz is not advertising on Bladeforums or selling in the exchange forums here. It's not our place as moderators to judge Mr. Goncz or his flashlights. The members can read his posts and make up your own minds whether you want to buy from him or not. For those who have already seen enough to make up your minds, good for you! Go back to your lives with the lessons you've learned from this. Don't ask us to ban Mr. Goncz from posting; there are new people coming in all the time....
'Way back at the beginning of this, our fearless leader was considering adding Goncz flashlights at 1SKS. That didn't happen -- if you search this forum for posts by Spark including Goncz you can find out why it didn't. (I don't remember whether it's in this thread or one of the others, but a search will find it quickly).
The fact I have to keep reposting this is proof that allowing Mr. Goncz to go on posting is not a waste of bandwidth. People keep arriving who didn't see the beginning of this and might never have found out about all this if Mr. Goncz weren't allowed to keep bringing it up again.
Mr. Goncz is not advertising on Bladeforums or selling in the exchange forums here. It's not our place as moderators to judge Mr. Goncz or his flashlights. The members can read his posts and make up your own minds whether you want to buy from him or not. For those who have already seen enough to make up your minds, good for you! Go back to your lives with the lessons you've learned from this. Don't ask us to ban Mr. Goncz from posting; there are new people coming in all the time....
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Sorry for my bad wording. I didn't suggest banning him from BFC. Because I have some strange hope he will eventually post where he got his lumen ratings from.
From Spark's last post it looks like he's still considering dealing in Goncz lights. That was what I was referring to.
From Spark's last post it looks like he's still considering dealing in Goncz lights. That was what I was referring to.
I completely agree about allowing lajos goncz to continue to be active with the forum. I truely hope that no one here considered any of my comments as a suggestion that he be banned or otherwise muffled. As already mentioned, he completely reveals himself (when given the opportunity) and it is good to allow someone of his type to trip themselves up. Not to mention that he is a great cathartic "tool" at times.
I am very glad to realize that Spark at One Stop Knive Store did not become entangled in this in a financial/business manner. Close call, hope you did't feel any shrapnel or concussion.
Appears that you avoided some bad mojo. Didn't realize that was your gig. Best of fortune with that business.
Blade; good luck with that light system. So far so good on this end. I'm not a complete afficianado re: lights but these seem to work almost as well as the small SF or SLs and I'm not going to go too ballistic if one of my people is too careless with one. We'll see how it goes but in any event they still appear to surpass the goncz systems IMHO (getting used to some of these ancros) and from what I was able to gleen from some of the testing mentioned earlier.
I imagine that lajos is scampering to fulfill his licensing requirements and we may not hear from him until he locates a financier for same. I hope he can hold his breath a long loooong time. :yawn: and I doubt that we have heard the last of an egomaniac like that. Most definately an entertainment value of some sort.
All the very best until then gentlemen,
Stuart
I am very glad to realize that Spark at One Stop Knive Store did not become entangled in this in a financial/business manner. Close call, hope you did't feel any shrapnel or concussion.
Appears that you avoided some bad mojo. Didn't realize that was your gig. Best of fortune with that business.
Blade; good luck with that light system. So far so good on this end. I'm not a complete afficianado re: lights but these seem to work almost as well as the small SF or SLs and I'm not going to go too ballistic if one of my people is too careless with one. We'll see how it goes but in any event they still appear to surpass the goncz systems IMHO (getting used to some of these ancros) and from what I was able to gleen from some of the testing mentioned earlier.
I imagine that lajos is scampering to fulfill his licensing requirements and we may not hear from him until he locates a financier for same.
I hope he can hold his breath a long loooong time. :yawn: and I doubt that we have heard the last of an egomaniac like that. Most definately an entertainment value of some sort. All the very best until then gentlemen,
Stuart
I, for one didn't hit this thread until page 5.
I have loved this thread as purely entertainment value, and will chastize any friend that I come across that owns any goncz product without sufficent explanation... IE, it was given to them for "product testing".
I am a total newbie when it comes to flashlights...
I bought my first Surefire on testing and examination at my local gun shop...
I bought another one for my wife's step-dad, for a birthday gift after experiencing mine...(he works in the Federal Govt., and has many friends in the DEPT. of Energy who could use a descent flashlight in everyday use...)
I'm gonna get a couple of those Dorcy's, and check them out...
Sure bargain for the price...
I can't see paying more than $60.00 for a super kick-ass flashlight, unless it is intergal to my job, in much the same way as I can't pay +200 dollars for a descent switchblade. Maybe if I had a "security" job, then I could justify it.
I'm a lowly tile setter, that keeps himself sufficiently armed for whatever "emergency, potentially lethal" tile jobs that might come around...
It'd be good if I could potentialy see what it is that I am potentially stabbing...
I want something that is gonna work, not something that has a lot of excuses, like "you're using the wrong bulb, you are using the wrong batteries,) or worse, (we're working on the re-chargability of that product...)
Sorry if I used the punctuation wrong... some of you guys are sticklers...
I hope I got my point across,
Blade420
I have loved this thread as purely entertainment value, and will chastize any friend that I come across that owns any goncz product without sufficent explanation... IE, it was given to them for "product testing".
I am a total newbie when it comes to flashlights...
I bought my first Surefire on testing and examination at my local gun shop...
I bought another one for my wife's step-dad, for a birthday gift after experiencing mine...(he works in the Federal Govt., and has many friends in the DEPT. of Energy who could use a descent flashlight in everyday use...)
I'm gonna get a couple of those Dorcy's, and check them out...
Sure bargain for the price...
I can't see paying more than $60.00 for a super kick-ass flashlight, unless it is intergal to my job, in much the same way as I can't pay +200 dollars for a descent switchblade. Maybe if I had a "security" job, then I could justify it.
I'm a lowly tile setter, that keeps himself sufficiently armed for whatever "emergency, potentially lethal" tile jobs that might come around...
It'd be good if I could potentialy see what it is that I am potentially stabbing...
I want something that is gonna work, not something that has a lot of excuses, like "you're using the wrong bulb, you are using the wrong batteries,) or worse, (we're working on the re-chargability of that product...)
Sorry if I used the punctuation wrong... some of you guys are sticklers...
I hope I got my point across,
Blade420
Maybe I'm the lone dissenter, but I think he should have been banned a long time ago. Let's review:
1) Advertised without paying for memebership.
2) Has made all sorts of claims with no proof.
3) Not kept his word to various people.
4) Made personal attacks against people.
5) Unknown if his status is "legitimate" that is licensed, pays taxes. etc.
6) Now just hangs around here for entertainment purposes.
While I can understand the importance of keeping this on the forum so people can make their own descision, making this thread sticky and locking it would solve that problem.
The thread now has just become poking him with a stick to see what happens, no additional value is being created.
1) Advertised without paying for memebership.
2) Has made all sorts of claims with no proof.
3) Not kept his word to various people.
4) Made personal attacks against people.
5) Unknown if his status is "legitimate" that is licensed, pays taxes. etc.
6) Now just hangs around here for entertainment purposes.
While I can understand the importance of keeping this on the forum so people can make their own descision, making this thread sticky and locking it would solve that problem.
The thread now has just become poking him with a stick to see what happens, no additional value is being created.
Perhaps DaveH has a point of sorts. Maybe lajos has more than earned some type of banishment. Other than addressing insults/issues that lajos brings up, all other issues do appear to have been covered and he has been given more than several months to produce evidence regarding his product. DaveH has listed the reasons to ban very well. Standing on the corner and laughing at the kids on the short bus is not very noble indeed.
Perhaps if lajos were to be given an opportunity to provide the promised information directly to the administrator (as well as proof of valid manufacturers liability insurance, etc) instead of publicly listing it then I for one might see the advantage to not punishing this individual.
On the other hand, the law of the jungle does provide for his own example of sticking his neck out, antagonizing others, and then suffering the consequenses of his own behavior. No one has forced him to return again and again and behave in the manner he has.
Not that it is in any way my decision but an interesting quandry nevertheless.
Stuart
Perhaps if lajos were to be given an opportunity to provide the promised information directly to the administrator (as well as proof of valid manufacturers liability insurance, etc) instead of publicly listing it then I for one might see the advantage to not punishing this individual.
On the other hand, the law of the jungle does provide for his own example of sticking his neck out, antagonizing others, and then suffering the consequenses of his own behavior. No one has forced him to return again and again and behave in the manner he has.
Not that it is in any way my decision but an interesting quandry nevertheless.
Stuart
Nothing were solved for me -AND THE REST.:grumpy:
Here some more information for our detectives:
I believe there is a connection between the company NECO from Benicia and Goncz:
http://www.neconos.com/details10a.htm
Because:
1. nobody would become a dealer of Goncz flashlights on free will
2. My CC were charged by this company
I wonder if Goncz flashlights are really made in the USA. No proof were given about that. So all heroic stories about that are fake until otherwise proven. In fact there is no proof for anything... :yawn: . Surprisingly there is such a thing like a Goncz flashlight...
Here some more information for our detectives:
I believe there is a connection between the company NECO from Benicia and Goncz:
http://www.neconos.com/details10a.htm
Because:
1. nobody would become a dealer of Goncz flashlights on free will
2. My CC were charged by this company
I wonder if Goncz flashlights are really made in the USA. No proof were given about that. So all heroic stories about that are fake until otherwise proven. In fact there is no proof for anything... :yawn: . Surprisingly there is such a thing like a Goncz flashlight...
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