Good Does More Harm Than Evil

Fiddleback;
It is a not a cross forum issue. It is a statement of fact. This forum bears R forum, nor any other forum, ill will, but only goodwill. R Forum has never been mentioned derogatorily in this thread by this author nor in any other thread. However, as the observation alarms you, I will now call other forums XYZ.

A little faith, Fiddleback. Now I know how Nasty feels.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

As for the forward progress of man, by the premise of this thread, any progress will contain mischief, and I think that's true enough. But it will also contain good.

did I ever tell you the story of the nature conservancy and the little flower?
The nature conservancy, herby known as XYZ conservancy, naturally wanted to limit or end cattle grazing on it's lands. Cattle grazing was seen as injurious to waterways, and other native species. None the less, in some areas the XYZ Conservancy allows grazing.
This story was related to me by a former manager of one of their larger Ranches.
IT was decided to remove the cattle as they were destroying too much watercourse, and were not natural. So they moved the cattle out of there. Now, a tiny, much desired flower, endangered and rare, was known to grow on this ranch. After moving the cattle, it slowly died out. It was realized several years later the cows excrement allowed the flower to reseed every year, and without the cattle, there was no flower. The XYZ Conservancy brought back the Cattle, not without a fight within their own ranks about 'natural' and good.

Sometimes we have to let a little poop in.



munk
 
munk said:
Fiddleback;
It is a not a cross forum issue. It is a statement of fact. This forum bears R forum, nor any other forum, ill will, but only goodwill. R Forum has never been mentioned derogatorily in this thread by this author nor in any other thread. However, as the observation alarms you, I will now call other forums XYZ.

A little faith, Fiddleback. Now I know how Nasty feels.

munk
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I wasn't trying to attack you brother. Just doing a little of the self-policing it had been suggested was lacking. X-forum rucuses are like brush fires. They get out of control and grow from almost nothing into an inferno with only a light breeze. I know your intent wasn't bad. You are a good person IMO. (What is this thread about?):p

And please, all of you, continue to call me Andy. Fiddleback is going to be my brand name. I'd like you all, my friends, to continue to use my name if you don't mind.;)
 
Andy, I would strongly suggest, as I've mentioned in another thread, that taking offense, or percieving a threat where none was intended, does harm.

I'm Glad R (XYZ) forum is successful. I wish HI would find it's legs again. And it will.

take care,

munk
 
Well, Andy and I have written privately and I now know some other issues I did not before.

Truth between friends is like water in the desert.


munk
 
Grappler;

Please don't go too far in reaction to Nasty. I doubt he intended anything to be 'fighting words'. I'm not butting in, just want to let you know our mod is adopting a law and order, watch your language approach to HI forum. Many have wanted this approach here for a long time, and it will be interesting to see if it works. It is not personally applied.

I'd like to thank Falling knife and others for their conversation in this thread.
By example, they've demonstrated the forum can function under a wide range of conditions. The posts in this thread were not only an affirmation of that, but also intrinsically interesting and valuable.

The best really do frequent HI forum. I'm proud to be a part of them.


munk
 
The interesting thing about a moderator is that they only jump in when needed.

How about we create an environment where a moderator is rarely needed?

;)
 
munk said:
Andy, I would strongly suggest, as I've mentioned in another thread, that taking offense, or percieving a threat where none was intended, does harm.

I'm Glad R (XYZ) forum is successful. I wish HI would find it's legs again. And it will.

take care,

munk
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Munk:

You have made references to another site.

The Forums of Ramanon are a group of thriving, interesting forums covering everything from guns, big knives, custom knives, the outdoors to general topics and it is free to all.

Moderators are very hands off. We have two top rules. No personal attacks and no cross forum bashing. Other than that, speak your mind.

There are many links on Ramanon pointing to here and we even spell out the forum's name (instead of vague references using initials) because this is a well respected site. I got my start in kuks here and have enjoyed it for years.

Feel free to spell out our name. You are welcome to come take a look.

Thanks,
cavetech
www.ramanon.com
 
Somebody tipped me off to read this thread. I didn't realized that it had somehow digressed or veered to the whole BF mod thing again.:rolleyes:

I can live with the rules here. Is it more restrictive than when Bill was alive. I think so. Do I think it's Nasty or Yangdu's fault? Not really.

Back to the regularly scheduled programming:D
 
Thank you, Cavetech. I appreciate that you've not found conflict in my posts, particularly as none was intended.

Ramanon is successful, and most of my friends on the net are there. They've been urging me to come by and see the excitement, the happiness, for some time now.

It's all good. I'm a HI forumite because of history, and current affection for Yangdu. That does not mean I won't enjoy other forums too. Nor should it for anyone.

Again, thank you for your friendliness. We need more of that wherever it can be found. I've strived not to run afoul of the BF and Nasty's rules while here in HI forum.

I'm the kind of person who once making a friend, as I did with HI, does not forget.

munk
 
"Superior wisdom? Enlightenment? Snot! I stumble and stagger, I get foolishly sidetracked, I slip backward 2 steps for every 3 forward. The man who follows in my footsteps will have but a sad bumbling time of it. But the patch I follow is the right one. This I believe, as I believe in God."

I like this quote, but have long since forgotten where I came across it.
 
Nice quote. Lot's of accomplished men and women make no pretense about themselves and their success. Refreshing stuff.


munk
 
The moderator position sometimes takes a lot of energy, and the fact that few can see that expenditure makes it seem thankless at times.

Nasty stepped up when he was asked.

Thanks, Nasty.

It's hard to do the job without stepping on toes or hurting feelings. We are in Spark's house though and play by his rules while here.

We each make our own economic choices on how we spend our money, and weild a little power that way. Boycott threats, or decisions, might be expected at times. Hopefully everyone involved will think carefully before weilding the powers that are available to them.

Namaste, all.
 
Something to ponder. A person gets sick and goes to the hospital. The hospital pulls out all the stops and saves the person from their illness despite all odds. Most would say that is "good", right?

To an objective scientist or biologist, they might see the same situation and say "well, in nature, those more suited to catch diseases would die, leaving a continually strengthening gene pool of the strongest biological makeups. By saving that person who otherwise would have died and had less chance to pass on their possibly-weaker genetics, you did the human race a disservice by saving that life."

This is an extreme example, but my point is that its perspective. I cant think of a situation of true "good" or true "evil" unless you define the context of the statement. Aethiests might think church is evil for propogating a 2000 year old lie while religious people think aethiests are evil for raising their children without God in their life.

IMHO conflict comes when people mistake the sheer luck of their life's timing, geographic location and religious upbringing for destiny. But that could be up for debate as well.

The real question is, if you were born in greece thousands of years ago, would you believe in Zeus? Most would agree yes, but disagree when someone told them that their "relationship" with God was more a factor of chance than religious destiny. Thats how i look at "good" and "evil" discussions....
 
well said, David - I've had these same thoughts too.
 
David Schott references a basic observation about this subject regarding God and Good and Evil; and that's a 100,000,000 Hindus can't be all wrong.

It is not coincidence that religious beliefs amongst people are specific to geographic regions on earth, to the society they inhabit. It is not hard to make the leap that man is talking about the same God using different names, different faces, although this is heresy amongst most of the religions.


munk
 
David Schott said:
IMHO conflict comes when people mistake the sheer luck of their life's timing, geographic location and religious upbringing for destiny.
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What a Great sentence!

Destiny is a question in and of itself though. Do you believe it as a predetermined thing, or something we have a certain amount of control over? Because depending on each of our thoughts on "destiny" itself, opens up new chapters in the question of good, evil and/or fate.

m1
 
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