Guardians of The Lambsfoot!

[JohnDF]

I think a great many of us have been there and done that and through experience and enthusiasm

Yes, I tried to pass off a Lambcliffe at one time... I quickly had to take it down... We were all "new" at one point.

 

[cigarrodog]

That's some cool old bone

Thank you Jack. Welcome back.

 

[cigarrodog]

Bump

 

[Jack Black]

I’ve got a question , are the TC ancient barlows with the straight blade a lamb foot or not ?

With the parallel back and edge? Not.

This pic is taken on top of a magazine with what I trust to be a straight banner , I didn’t go out into the shop to get the mic but with just an old tape measure the width of the blade is 16th of an inch narrower at the abrupt tip than it is at the sharpening bevel View attachment 2028211

Yeah, no harm intended at all, just curious as to what this monster is ! Lol

It has been determined in other threads that it is a "short beak"... or a "Coping" blade for lack of a better term... Not a Lambsfoot.

I get that by the shape of the blade , but man I could take a file to that abrupt stop and it would meet all the criteria lol… a serious gray area ! Oh well , just curious ! Thanks guys !!

The question regarding whether the Ancient Barlow qualifies as a "Lambsfoot" comes up from time to time. The short answer is, no. One might try to fit it within a loophole regarding measuring the minute details but it's kind of one of those, "If you have to ask..." sort of situations.

Lambsfoot knives have a very distinctive shape and look. Once you become familiar with the Lambsfoot, you cannot mistake any other blade or knife for it.

I don't think there is anything wrong with you asking the question.

That said, the Lambsfoot blade is likely one of the most oft misunderstood (and therefore misidentified) blades out there. Same could be said for Kepharts, which we won't discuss here, but countless makers make a "Kephart", only to have completely misunderstood what makes a Kephart, a Kephart.

The thing is, the Ancient Barlow is not a Lambsfoot. Being a SFO of Charlie's, it was never billed as such but it was meant to represent a very distinctive blade style on a very distinctive and old pattern. But I get why you think it might be a grey area - even I have issues with some of the knives that are accepted as proper "Lambsfoot" knives.

My comment regarding "if one has to ask" still holds true. If you are holding a knife and you have questions regarding its legitimacy as a proper Lambsfoot, then chances are it's not going to qualify. I think a great many of us have been there and done that and through experience and enthusiasm, we've learned a great deal.

Again, questions should be welcomed. My point is still that once you become familiar, and this comes from experience (and hanging out here), it will be hard to mistake otherwise.

Best response I have seen to date ! Thank you for your input and thank you for the knowledge , I knew what you meant by “if you have to ask “ but as men we have to try the waters every now and then !

I guess this knife will have to move on then!! Lol

Yes we will leave Kephart out of it , even though he gave us drawings to go by !

I'm sorry to have missed such an interesting, and well-argued, discussion gents, I was asleep No rest for the wicked eh?! As Pàdruig notes, the question about Charlie's Ancient Barlow has come up before here, more than once, and the earliest occasions are archived in the Thread Index linked to on page #1. The blade in question is not a Lambsfoot, which it predates by at least half a century, and almost certainly more. It is a blade seen on very old Barlow knives, but not limited to them, and shown in 'Smith's Key' of 1830, a 'Short Beak' blade.

Please don't take a file to your Ancient Barlow Nankbrown21 ! As Dylan eloquently says, many have questioned whether their knife might or might not be a Lambsfoot, but there is more to a Lambsfoot knife than the angles of the blade. If I keep on sharpening my Sheepsfoot blades, for example, they might have an edge, which does not run parallel to the spine. However, they will always be Sheepsfoot knives, and not Lambsfoot ones. Thanks for an excellent discussion

 

[Jack Black]

There's no place like home.

You're not kidding! I'm still angry about! Got home from a nice holiday, number of ways I could have gotten home from the airport, and like a fool, I chose the most expensive (it would have been quicker to get the bus, and free). The first guy was at the airport anyway, it would have been a good fare for him, with a good tip, but he was just a lazy idiot. He kept ringing me asking where I was, and I told him I'm standing right outside the front entrance, next to where the taxis pull up, I must have told him a dozen times. I asked him where he was, and he just kept saying, "I am HERE! I am HERE" Where's "HERE"?! Turned out he was parked 300 yards away, on the other side of two roads, with a large car-park in between. The guy was carrying on so much, someone else eventually told me where he was! So, I walk over to him, and he was unbelievably rude... I told him he better leave I've been using this taxi firm for 20 years, but they've got bigger and bigger, and now employ thousands of drivers. I gave them a roasting, and was going to ring another firm, but they sent someone, a nice guy as it turned out, and he got a £10 tip on a £20 fare. I still haven't decided if I'm going to use them again though

Glad you made it home Jack. Bet it sure felt good to get the Hartshead Barlow back in your pocket!

Thank you David, it sure did, and since I got home to a pile of Xmas cards, he went straight to work!

Glad you made it home safe and sound Jack

Thanks a lot Steve

Welcome home Jack! Now you can relax and get comfortable.

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Many thanks Dwight, a fabulous photo there my friend I'm afraid, it's all 'GO' here at Grumble Towers!

Hmm. I should leave these questions to Jack Black , anyway.
Nice knife, for sure.

Not at all Jer

I was just deploring the way I stick my nose into these questions by sticking my nose in further. Never mind.

There was nothing wrong with your answer Jer, or the question Good to see Old Toffee Wings

Yes, I tried to pass off a Lambcliffe at one time... I quickly had to take it down... We were all "new" at one point.

Thank you Jack. Welcome back.

Thanks Harvey

Bump

LOL! Thanks buddy

Good morning Guardians, from dreary, cold, and rain-soaked Leeds! Where, still groggy from sleep, I have a hundred tasks to do Got the first lot of laundry on, and my luggage half-unpacked, the house is finally warm again too. First job this morning is to ring the dentist to see if I can get an appointment, and I need to buy bread, and some shopping, and catch up with a ton of folks, and at some point to edit all the photos from my vacation, etc. Many thanks to you all, for holding the fort, and I'm glad I was able to call in more than I had expected. Once again, I hope that you all had a very happy holiday, and that you're looking forward to 2023 with a spirit of hope and optimism Have a good day Guardians

 

[Rufus1949]

You're not kidding! I'm still angry about! Got home from a nice holiday, number of ways I could have gotten home from the airport, and like a fool, I chose the most expensive (it would have been quicker to get the bus, and free). The first guy was at the airport anyway, it would have been a good fare for him, with a good tip, but he was just a lazy idiot. He kept ringing me asking where I was, and I told him I'm standing right outside the front entrance, next to where the taxis pull up, I must have told him a dozen times. I asked him where he was, and he just kept saying, "I am HERE! I am HERE" Where's "HERE"?! Turned out he was parked 300 yards away, on the other side of two roads, with a large car-park in between. The guy was carrying on so much, someone else eventually told me where he was! So, I walk over to him, and he was unbelievably rude... I told him he better leave I've been using this taxi firm for 20 years, but they've got bigger and bigger, and now employ thousands of drivers. I gave them a roasting, and was going to ring another firm, but they sent someone, a nice guy as it turned out, and he got a £10 tip on a £20 fare. I still haven't decided if I'm going to use them again though

Thank you David, it sure did, and since I got home to a pile of Xmas cards, he went straight to work!

Thanks a lot Steve

Many thanks Dwight, a fabulous photo there my friend I'm afraid, it's all 'GO' here at Grumble Towers!

Not at all Jer

There was nothing wrong with your answer Jer, or the question Good to see Old Toffee Wings



Thanks Harvey

LOL! Thanks buddy

Good morning Guardians, from dreary, cold, and rain-soaked Leeds! Where, still groggy from sleep, I have a hundred tasks to do Got the first lot of laundry on, and my luggage half-unpacked, the house is finally warm again too. First job this morning is to ring the dentist to see if I can get an appointment, and I need to buy bread, and some shopping, and catch up with a ton of folks, and at some point to edit all the photos from my vacation, etc. Many thanks to you all, for holding the fort, and I'm glad I was able to call in more than I had expected. Once again, I hope that you all had a very happy holiday, and that you're looking forward to 2023 with a spirit of hope and optimism Have a good day Guardians

Grand lamb Jack. Is a vacation from your vacation in order?

 

[sitflyer]

I've just got to know, is that a nesting set of figurines?

 

[Nankbrown21]

Best response I have seen to date ! Thank you for your input and thank you for the knowledge , I knew what you meant by “if you have to ask “ but as men we have to try the waters every now and then !

I guess this knife will have to move on then!! Lol

Yes we will leave Kephart out of it , even though he gave us drawings to go by !

I'm sorry to have missed such an interesting, and well-argued, discussion gents, I was asleep No rest for the wicked eh?! As Pàdruig notes, the question about Charlie's Ancient Barlow has come up before here, more than once, and the earliest occasions are archived in the Thread Index linked to on page #1. The blade in question is not a Lambsfoot, which it predates by at least half a century, and almost certainly more. It is a blade seen on very old Barlow knives, but not limited to them, and shown in 'Smith's Key' of 1830, a 'Short Beak' blade.

Please don't take a file to your Ancient Barlow Nankbrown21 ! As Dylan eloquently says, many have questioned whether their knife might or might not be a Lambsfoot, but there is more to a Lambsfoot knife than the angles of the blade. If I keep on sharpening my Sheepsfoot blades, for example, they might have an edge, which does not run parallel to the spine. However, they will always be Sheepsfoot knives, and not Lambsfoot ones. Thanks for an excellent discussion

It was a very good discussion! Thanks for clearing things up and jack and no worries on the file, I was just joshing ! But the ancient went up for trade last night I’ve had it long enough it’s time to let someone else enjoy it !

 

[Jack Black]

Grand lamb Jack. Is a vacation from your vacation in order?

Thanks Bob Maybe, I feel shattered! I just rang my dentist, and despite telling the receptionist that the lost crown is irritating my tongue, and interfering with both my speech and eating, the earliest appointment I could get was the 9th January She did tell me that pharmacists here are now selling "crown replacement kits", which I will try. Unfortunately, the dental appointment is the exact date as another medical appointment, so I will have to cancel it

I've just got to know, is that a nesting set if figurines?

LOL! That would be pretty cool, but I'm afraid not, I think he came with some chocolates inside

It was a very good discussion! Thanks for clearing things up and jack and no worries on the file, I was just joshing ! But the ancient went up for trade last night I’ve had it long enough it’s time to let someone else enjoy it !

I thought that would be the case my friend! I do love my Ancients

 

[Rufus1949]

We are rowing the same boat upstream Jack. Trying to get an appointment is like winning the lottery ( unless one does not mind going to someone who graduated last in their class).
Hope your troubles are resolved without someone being shot.

 

[screened porch]

for holding the fort,

Thank you for not saying "hold down the fort".

"crown replacement kits",

Holy crap!

 

[mbkr]

...pharmacists here are now selling "crown replacement kits"...

Cues up Duck Duck Go for an interweb search...

Did you ever get that MRI on your back?

 

[JohnDF]

Glad you're home safe and sound(ish).

 

[Eads1999]

 

[SteveC]

Morning Guardians !

Old Spalty out and about this morning, pictured after a snow bath

 

[Jack Black]

We are rowing the same boat upstream Jack. Trying to get an appointment is like winning the lottery ( unless one does not mind going to someone who graduated last in their class).
Hope your troubles are resolved without someone being shot.

Sorry it is like that there too Bob Yeah, I've no idea who I'll be seeing I had the same Sheffield dentist for most of my adult life, but he retired a few years back, and it has been 'pillar to post' since then, I have a mouth like a bombed graveyard! I hope you can find some one soon buddy They've taken my guns off me, had to bring out my secret weapon last night, I had hitherto had it concealed!

Thank you for not saying "hold down the fort".

Holy crap!

LOL! Yikes, that doesn't sound like a fun read Jer! Nice to see your Big 'Un

Glad you're home safe and sound(ish).

Thanks pal, I must have sprained my ankle on that first day, as it is definitely a bit swollen, I should have put some ice on it really. I'm just editing my pics, and there are hundreds of them, here's the sort of sand I was walking in

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Crazy 88

 

[Jack Black]

Morning Guardians !

Old Spalty out and about this morning, pictured after a snow bath


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Cool pics Steve, I must check over Wee Staggy before putting him away

 

[JohnDF]

Concealed Weapon... Lol

 

[Angry Waiter]

They've taken my guns off me, had to bring out my secret weapon last night, I had hitherto had it concealed!

Lucky for us all we get to take those everywhere!

Glad you made it home safe Jack!

Cinna is just a great dog. Constantly here for us. Giving the old Ace a little scrub this morning. Inspired by Eads1999

 

[cigarrodog]

I'm sorry to have missed such an interesting, and well-argued, discussion gents, I was asleep No rest for the wicked eh?! As Pàdruig notes, the question about Charlie's Ancient Barlow has come up before here, more than once, and the earliest occasions are archived in the Thread Index linked to on page #1. The blade in question is not a Lambsfoot, which it predates by at least half a century, and almost certainly more. It is a blade seen on very old Barlow knives, but not limited to them, and shown in 'Smith's Key' of 1830, a 'Short Beak' blade.

Please don't take a file to your Ancient Barlow Nankbrown21 ! As Dylan eloquently says, many have questioned whether their knife might or might not be a Lambsfoot, but there is more to a Lambsfoot knife than the angles of the blade. If I keep on sharpening my Sheepsfoot blades, for example, they might have an edge, which does not run parallel to the spine. However, they will always be Sheepsfoot knives, and not Lambsfoot ones. Thanks for an excellent discussion

Great response, Jack. Good to have you back.

She did tell me that pharmacists here are now selling "crown replacement kits", which I will try.

Self dentistry is the new NHS policy.

Your tenacity in the face of adversity is admirable, Jack. Who wouldn’t react with a grumble or two. Charlie’s isn’t far off.

They've taken my guns off me, had to bring out my secret weapon last night, I had hitherto had it concealed!