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bluecarrot, When reporting back on your new clone Toohr sharpener, starting a new thread will be helpful keeping the topic in its own thread. The Toohr sure looks great. The original SJ Multigrinder sold by SchleifJunkies from Germany reminds me of a WickedEdge, wow, beautiful industrial design!
bluecarrot:
"I doubt that there is any difference in quality, most are generally available aluminum parts and steel shafts often used in DIY 3d printers."
My prospective on tools has evolved:
Low and slow view from 500 feet-
Back in the late 90's some friends engineering on green cards, who knew I was into 2 wheeled fun, sent me a poster of the latest Chinese government built motorcycle, yep it was another iteration of BMW's flat twin, just like the Russian Ural. Then I bought some inexpensive one time use tools and they worked out great because they worked once. Expectations are a big deal.
The view from 1500 feet-
Had an epiphany listening to an old guy wondering why, with true cost of ownership, would anyone bother buying a clone / copy of a tool that was originally designed and built to last a lifetime and then pass down to the next generation. That became a filter I then used to get tools. Well that and rental centers... I'm sure plenty of people bought cheap, but hey its a free country, I hope no one gets hurt.
Much bigger view at 3000 feet-
Dependent on things not breaking at speed, or hiking remote trails, began to color my world view. So, I never spent a dime on, broadly speaking, cheap "safety equipment." But I'm sure plenty of people bought on price alone, hey its a free country, I hope no one gets hurt.
30k feet view-
I wanted to use very complex to engineer tools that helped learning and increased performance, but were elegantly simple to use, and went with software that ran on the first 16 bit Mac's institutionally, and Atari 16 bit computers at home. Made another friend engineering on green cards who told many stores of growing up in his home country, hot-rodding bicycles, dreaming of mini-bikes / tote-goats / motorcycles. Not quite a child's cell phone toy made with sticks, mud and pebbles, but he came to understand the value of intellectual property to his communities access to gear.
Looking down (or up) from the stratosphere-
The things I hope for: The James Webb Telescope is built with highest quality stuff just like the airplane my loved ones are flying in this weekend, the airbags will work when the accidents happen, the generator brand the home owner bought doesn't start anymore 5000 acre fires -15 percent contained, what's on label is in the bag, the water won't kill me, the batteries don't start a fire, and the breakers cycle off when needed. Specified standards only work when the nuts and bolts are built to the standards. Clones are a problem in industry, at home, and on the road.
bluecarrot:
"I doubt that there is any difference in quality, most are generally available aluminum parts and steel shafts often used in DIY 3d printers."
No one cross shops these two sharpeners, so your language about the maker "squeezing every drop of blood from behind costumer fingernails" makes me think you are angry about more then just the cost and value of the SJ Multigrinder... Do you think the maker is doing something wrong?
My prospective on tools has evolved:
Low and slow view from 500 feet-
Back in the late 90's some friends engineering on green cards, who knew I was into 2 wheeled fun, sent me a poster of the latest Chinese government built motorcycle, yep it was another iteration of BMW's flat twin, just like the Russian Ural. Then I bought some inexpensive one time use tools and they worked out great because they worked once. Expectations are a big deal.
The view from 1500 feet-
Had an epiphany listening to an old guy wondering why, with true cost of ownership, would anyone bother buying a clone / copy of a tool that was originally designed and built to last a lifetime and then pass down to the next generation. That became a filter I then used to get tools. Well that and rental centers... I'm sure plenty of people bought cheap, but hey its a free country, I hope no one gets hurt.
Much bigger view at 3000 feet-
Dependent on things not breaking at speed, or hiking remote trails, began to color my world view. So, I never spent a dime on, broadly speaking, cheap "safety equipment." But I'm sure plenty of people bought on price alone, hey its a free country, I hope no one gets hurt.
30k feet view-
I wanted to use very complex to engineer tools that helped learning and increased performance, but were elegantly simple to use, and went with software that ran on the first 16 bit Mac's institutionally, and Atari 16 bit computers at home. Made another friend engineering on green cards who told many stores of growing up in his home country, hot-rodding bicycles, dreaming of mini-bikes / tote-goats / motorcycles. Not quite a child's cell phone toy made with sticks, mud and pebbles, but he came to understand the value of intellectual property to his communities access to gear.
Looking down (or up) from the stratosphere-
The things I hope for: The James Webb Telescope is built with highest quality stuff just like the airplane my loved ones are flying in this weekend, the airbags will work when the accidents happen, the generator brand the home owner bought doesn't start anymore 5000 acre fires -15 percent contained, what's on label is in the bag, the water won't kill me, the batteries don't start a fire, and the breakers cycle off when needed. Specified standards only work when the nuts and bolts are built to the standards. Clones are a problem in industry, at home, and on the road.
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