gulp...i own a new rat-5 from ontario

The Last Confederate said:
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very wise advice.

Love the pic!!

Brett
 
dalit said:
who i am is a consumer of RAT products who is asking difficult questions.

so much for "individualism" and all that hooey; the herd closes ranks when another DIFFERENT opinion is spoken.

RAT cutlery id really like you to anwser my complaint on warranties. thru pm or email preferably. im a customer of yours for less than 2 weeks; this is not the best way to begin a relationship!
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You didn't buy a RAT Cutlery product, you bought an Ontario RAT-5.

The business deal between Randall Adventure Training and Ontario ended in 2007.

Ontario continued using/marketing the RAT line of knives.

RAT Cutlery does not = Ontario RAT.

If you're going to come to this forum and start spouting you better f'cking know what you're talking about.

BEFORE Ontario started this with RAT Cutlery, Jeff and Mike were nice enough to take care of issues with ONTARIO RAT knives - because they are honorable and do act that way. When ONTARIO started this, RAT Cutlery is 100% correct and right in referring any RAT knives manufactured by Ontario back to Ontario.

I'm 100% sure if there is a problem with an RC blade that RAT Cutlery will handle the problem with the blade regardless of who is manufacturing the RC blade because it is a RAT Cutlery blade.

Now, run along...

Are you having a "I could have had a V-8" moment. Dalit, there is an easy way to handle you - "ignore" and you're gone.

Apparently you didn't read all of my post, conduct enough research to know what you're trying to argue, or comprehend it all. Bye-bye! :jerkit:
 
wow, that's what I meant to say but couldn't get through my rage!!!

Nice post,
brett
cmdr249 said:
You didn't buy a RAT Cutlery product, you bought an Ontario RAT-5.

The business deal between Randall Adventure Training and Ontario ended in 2007.

Ontario continued using/marketing the RAT line of knives.

RAT Cutlery does not = Ontario RAT.

If you're going to come to this forum and start spouting you better f'cking know what you're talking about.

BEFORE Ontario started this with RAT Cutlery, Jeff and Mike were nice enough to take care of issues with ONTARIO RAT knives - because they are honorable and do act that way. When ONTARIO started this, RAT Cutlery is 100% correct and right in referring any RAT knives manufactured by Ontario back to Ontario.

I'm 100% sure if there is a problem with an RC blade that RAT Cutlery will handle the problem with the blade regardless of who is manufacturing the RC blade because it is a RAT Cutlery blade.

Now, run along...

Are you having a "I could have had a V-8" moment. Dalit, there is an easy way to handle you - "ignore" and you're gone.

Apparently you didn't read all of my post, conduct enough research to know what you're trying to argue, or comprehend it all. Bye-bye! :jerkit:
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Yeah as far as customer service goes, Dalit, you bought an Ontario product and got a personal cell phone number (on a VERY public forum!!!) for a designer/owner of a completely seperate company who will not see one penny of your purchase. Try and get that out of Benchmade.

I'll say this as politely as I can possibly say it: Go suck a railroad spike.
 
Rowen will be making the RAT 5 and TAK by June, under those names. Randall's Adventure and Training no longer licenses any designs to be made by Ontario (they pirate them). The RAT line will be a different line from the "RC" line, reflect a different pricing but maintain the same high quality Rowen/RAT Cutlery is known for. The RTAK ,et al, will follow. Mike
 
Dalit just does not understand, and doesn't seem to want to. This is my story with Ontario and Mike Perrin.
Just before Christmas I purchased 2 tak knives, to be given as gifts. Both of the knives I received were so dramatically misground that I don't think they should have ever been sold as factory seconds, much less as a factory first. I contacted Mike about the issue. Mike responded right away. He told me that the new knives where still in production, because Ontario had to retool the factory to get the grinds right. He helped me in evry way he could. The contract between Ontario and Rat ended last year, and since Ontario is producing the line without Rats permission, Mike has no obligation to respond to me. He did without hesitation. Why? Because both Mike Perrin and Jeff Randall are honorable, honest gentlemen, who care about people. And you know what? We care back!!!!!Back to the story.
Ontario then started this BS, and stoped any communication with Mike and Jeff. I contacted Mike about the issue with the two knives that where purchased. He tried to contact Ontario for me, and gave me an Ontario contact to try myself. I tried to contact Ontario, and have not been able to get any response from them. Dalit thinks that because Ontario is illegally producing the Rat designs that Mike and Jeff are some how responsible for the product. Dude, lay off the crack. Ontario won't even talk with them. How are they to deal with any warranty issue? I have now sent several e-mails to Ontario, worded in very respectable, noninflamitory ways, and have still not received any response. Long and short, Mike stepped up and has offered to cover my back. If I don't receive any word from Ontario, Mike has offered to send another knife to cover what is appearing to be a loss caused by Ontario. Did he have to do this-NO. Did he-YES Why - because he cares, and doesn't want to see me get screwed by the Big fish. It is this type of character that has won them the support from the "People on the street" Dalit sounds like a little Ontario spy trying to stir things up, or he is just completely ignorant to who he is dealing with or what is actually going on. I have had first hand experience dealing with both parties, and Mike and Jeff have my complete support in this. Ontario is screwing me over and Mike is covering my back when he has no obligation to do so. Mike and Jeff, You deserve to be treated with honor and respect, and I hope to one day meet you in person, so I can shake the hands of two great people.
RC supporter 100%.
 
Cody, thanks for the explanation on all of that. We recently had another customer that had the exact same issues. We offered to buy his Ontario knives back from him since Ontario refused to fix them. After we copied Ontario on the emails where RAT Cutlery was offering to buy the defective knives back from a good customer, Ontario decided they would call him. We had the exact same issue with Secret Service on 6 RAT-3s. When SS sent them back to Ontario because they were bad, Ontario sent them 6 more that were just as bad. Got the emails to prove all of this as well. RAT Cutlery donated 6 RC-3s to the agents because of their problems and because this was hurting OUR name since OUR name is on the Ontario product. The only way we found out about this fiasco with SS is an agent came up to us at SHOT and told us. Ontario didn't even keep us in the loop when there was an issue such as this. And then there is yet another incident where Mike bought back two rams horn knives from a customer since Ontario wouldn't fix them. Again, this is just a drop in the bucket of the same type problem that we have documented for a long time. We didn't say anything publicly in the past. And Ontario wants to threaten legal action against us, not to mention stealing our names?

As far as this thread goes, the bottom line is this guy is nothing more than a troll and all of you have given him way more time than he deserves. He needs no explanation, period. Because he's not interested in an explanation; he's interested in stirring something up.
 
MikePerrin said:
Rowen will be making the RAT 5 and TAK by June, under those names. Randall's Adventure and Training no longer licenses any designs to be made by Ontario (they pirate them). The RAT line will be a different line from the "RC" line, reflect a different pricing but maintain the same high quality Rowen/RAT Cutlery is known for. The RTAK ,et al, will follow. Mike
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Mike,

You say that the RAT line will be different from the "RC" line, does that mean that they will be made of different materials ? Also, will they look as good as the "RC" line ?

By the way, I look forward to talking with you at the Blade Show. Will you have some of your "RC" knives with you, so that I can see how the handles fit my hand. The only reason I have not purchased the RC3 or RC4 is that I think the handles will be too small. I'm waiting to actually hold them before I decide.

Tony
 
I've turned the other cheek to more than one troll, but this is ridiculous.

First line is a deliberate insult. The smiley face doesn't really mask the intent.

Second post is a non-existent warranty issue. First post says the knife is great and he's slashing up a storm, but in the next post dalit wants RAT to honor some warranty claim he doesn't even have. Then he proceeds to bash a product that doesn't exist (RC's) from a company he has no experience dealing with (He's got an Ontario-produced knife that was designed by the people behind R.A.T., not a R.A.T. knife).

Somebody seems to know more about Ontario / R.A.T. than he or she is letting on. Either that, or it's some sort or weird opposite-day attack. Actual R.A.T. users have stepped up an defended the company with some great experiences. Anyway, hope you enjoyed wasting my time.
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Yep, I would say that this troll is pretty obvious.
 
Argh, i recently bought an Ontario RAT-3 >< I like the knife but now feel like a tool for not donig my homework and getting a RC-3. Oh well, looks like i'll need to save up more knife money.

Best wishes and keep up the good work.
 
R.A.T. said:
Cody, thanks for the explanation on all of that. We recently had another customer that had the exact same issues. We offered to buy his Ontario knives back from him since Ontario refused to fix them. After we copied Ontario on the emails where RAT Cutlery was offering to buy the defective knives back from a good customer, Ontario decided they would call him. We had the exact same issue with Secret Service on 6 RAT-3s. When SS sent them back to Ontario because they were bad, Ontario sent them 6 more that were just as bad. Got the emails to prove all of this as well. RAT Cutlery donated 6 RC-3s to the agents because of their problems and because this was hurting OUR name since OUR name is on the Ontario product. The only way we found out about this fiasco with SS is an agent came up to us at SHOT and told us. Ontario didn't even keep us in the loop when there was an issue such as this. And then there is yet another incident where Mike bought back two rams horn knives from a customer since Ontario wouldn't fix them. Again, this is just a drop in the bucket of the same type problem that we have documented for a long time. We didn't say anything publicly in the past. And Ontario wants to threaten legal action against us, not to mention stealing our names?

As far as this thread goes, the bottom line is this guy is nothing more than a troll and all of you have given him way more time than he deserves. He needs no explanation, period. Because he's not interested in an explanation; he's interested in stirring something up.
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This is the question i was posing in another post I made in the RC/Ontario thread.....I'm concerned that all the fallout from poorly manufactured RAT knives will hurt RC's reputation:grumpy: If Ontario continues to flood the market with substandard RAT knives I think Mike & Jeff/ RC should have legal avenues to pursue to get monies for defamation of their Trademark/company name:thumbup: At least that was my point i was attempting to make in my other post. And now someone comes knockin' asking about it:barf:
 
Any chance you guys plan to make the RAT-3 as well? I like the shorter handles as opposed to the RC-3.
 
I have not read Ayn Rand in 40 years, but since I was already in the Ontario/RAT, SOG, Al Mar, Scrap Yard, Swamp Rat, Bark River, Ranger and Busse Cults, I figured what the heck. Bring on that RC RAT-5! I agree that the fit and finish on my RC-4 is much better than my Ontarios. I am impressed with the heat treat, too. I can wait. I'll get a better RAT-5 that way. That's the beauty of being in more than one cult.
 
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