Guyot Pimp Idea....

[Marion David Poff]

So, I got reading this thread, and looking the excellent images over...

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=550526



And I got to thinking, I could make a bail system that would not need drilled holes, or as much connectors.

My thought is this... Imagine 1 piece of steel leader, with integral loops at both ends, and these ends are around the single piece of leader, but so that a 'noose' or loop is formed between the ends. Then that loop would be placed under the lip of the Guyot, and the weight of the bottle with water would hold the loop closed, in place.

I probably explained that horribly. edit- I got on my image program, and drew out that thing you see attached, I am not a professional, but I hope it demonstrates the concept.

Best,
Marion

 

[DiverDn]

Check out this thread.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=617000

I made one like this based on Kevin's thread.

It works, but I have to admit that I have dropped my Kleen Kanteen more than once before I got the hang of it.

You have to be ready for it to be set down when it touches the ground, because if it's not level, the tension will release and it could drop easily.

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

Looks to be a genius idea! Let us know how it works for you! :thumbup:

 

[Charlie Mike]

What size animal are you hoping to snare? Rabbits are tasty.

 

[theamazingdrew]

What size animal are you hoping to snare? Rabbits are tasty.

its not a snare..............

 

[XMP]

MDP, all you need is a fishing leader with a clip at both ends. It will accomplish exactly what you are describing.

 

[Pritch]

Marion, this looks like a gread modification. My one concern, that DiverDn mentioned, is that if gravity alone keeps the bail on, there may be instances where that could be a problem. This might be overcome by a crimped bead or something else that would help keep the bail snugged up until you want it off.

 

[hillst1]

I have done this with 2 fishing leaders and have had no problems.

 

[Marion David Poff]

Check out this thread. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=617000

I made one like this based on Kevin's thread. It works, but I have to admit that I have dropped my Kleen Kanteen more than once before I got the hang of it.

You have to be ready for it to be set down when it touches the ground, because if it's not level, the tension will release and it could drop easily.

Good Point. I think I will make some sort of modification to my original plan, maybe an extra ferrule to keep the loops inward.

Looks to be a genius idea! Let us know how it works for you! :thumbup:

You know I will my man....

What size animal are you hoping to snare? Rabbits are tasty.

Well, I was hoping to snare a warm beverage, but rabbits are good too!

its not a snare..............

But, was his post, suggesting it was a snare, a snare?

MDP, all you need is a fishing leader with a clip at both ends. It will accomplish exactly what you are describing.

Good Call.

Marion, this looks like a gread modification. My one concern, that DiverDn mentioned, is that if gravity alone keeps the bail on, there may be instances where that could be a problem. This might be overcome by a crimped bead or something else that would help keep the bail snugged up until you want it off.

Yeah, I will definitely heed that bit of caution. And, since I never really plan on taking it off, no issue if I add something to keep it snug.

I have done this with 2 fishing leaders and have had no problems.

Nice. Once again, here I stand, on the shoulders of giants. Thank You Giants!



Marion

 

[Marion David Poff]

So, I worked up a couple versions, and they both work, though with various flaws of design or workmanship...

Iteration 1 - With a single length of 1/16th wire rope, from the top of the loop, one side comes down, goes through a ferrule, around half the bottle, and then finishes after going through another ferrule. The other side does the same thing, through a ferrule, around the other side, and finishing after passing through another ferrule. Used wired cutters to crimp the aluminum ferrules(if I was going to do this regularly, I would have to buy a crimper),

Design Flaw = Cut ends are out, where you can snag them. Not elegant.


Iteration 2 - Same concept, but the ferrules make loops that are around the bight of the wire rope, with stoppers to keep the loops inward tight enough.

Workmanship Flaw - I miss-estimated the distance needed, and even inside the stoppers, it is not tight enough.



I still have more wire rope, but I am out of ferrules.... So, back to the store this week, and I will get some more ferrules, and build version 2, properly measured. Then I will take pictures.

So, this bail will be re-moveable, all metal and essentially snag free. Do you think people might want to buy them, if I made them up, maybe did batches? Remember the rules, no talking about price or things like that... But, what do you think, you think I might have a product on my hand?

I just did ghetto rigged my bottle up with a staff over a stool, with a back-packing stove.... Worked well. Only issues is manipulating it once you get it off the fire while it is still hot, will take some thought...


Until then,
Marion

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

I'd be up for one. I'd build one myself but I just never seem to get the time.

 

[chewbacca]

I would probably buy one...and then make my own copies.

 

[fugawee]

Marion, this looks like a gread modification. My one concern, that DiverDn mentioned, is that if gravity alone keeps the bail on, there may be instances where that could be a problem. This might be overcome by a crimped bead or something else that would help keep the bail snugged up until you want it off.

So, I worked up a couple versions, and they both work, though with various flaws of design or workmanship...

Iteration 1 - With a single length of 1/16th wire rope, from the top of the loop, one side comes down, goes through a ferrule, around half the bottle, and then finishes after going through another ferrule. The other side does the same thing, through a ferrule, around the other side, and finishing after passing through another ferrule. Used wired cutters to crimp the aluminum ferrules(if I was going to do this regularly, I would have to buy a crimper),

Design Flaw = Cut ends are out, where you can snag them. Not elegant.


Iteration 2 - Same concept, but the ferrules make loops that are around the bight of the wire rope, with stoppers to keep the loops inward tight enough.

Workmanship Flaw - I miss-estimated the distance needed, and even inside the stoppers, it is not tight enough.



I still have more wire rope, but I am out of ferrules.... So, back to the store this week, and I will get some more ferrules, and build version 2, properly measured. Then I will take pictures.

Until then,
Marion

The latest modifications look great BUT
couldnt a simple split-shot fishing weight clipped on
the original fishing leader keep it from loosening up?
The whole thing could be removed and used for fishing if needed as well

(they now make tin split-shot for those with concerns about lead)


Great threads on this bottle and setup. I bought one because of it.
Maxped holder,pouches,bottle,coffee filter thing...great stuff
that im still fooling with. pics soon.
twowolves is a great place to deal with.

 

[Marion David Poff]

I'd be up for one. I'd build one myself but I just never seem to get the time.

I hear it.

I would probably buy one...and then make my own copies.

Fair one.

The latest modifications look great BUT
couldnt a simple split-shot fishing weight clipped on
the original fishing leader keep it from loosening up?
The whole thing could be removed and used for fishing if needed as well

I am usually not totally concerned with that level of multi-purpose, but a good idea...

Great threads on this bottle and setup. I bought one because of it.

Nice!

Maxped holder,pouches,bottle,coffee filter thing...great stuff
that im still fooling with. pics soon..

I will be on the lookout for your images. : )

twowolves is a great place to deal with.

+1 :thumbup:



Marion

 

[Marion David Poff]

Well, I went back to the hardware store, and bought more ferrules and stoppers....

And the new bail rocks!

Totally functional, and removeable...

I got stuff to make a couple more, I will take pictures tomorrow.

Marion

BTW - My friend, oldpinecricker on here, has scary strong hands... As I posted earlier.... I built a bail last nigh, but I put the stoppers in the wrong place, so it would not work. So, I go to give oldpinecricker that one, mentioning that he could maybe find something else to act as a stopper... And he says, I will fix that one... And he proceeds to pull the stoppers into the correct position..... with his bare hands. I am still wondering at it.... M

 

[AJ]

Some more great Guyot ideas. Thanks!

AJ

 

[Marion David Poff]

On the bottle...

Just the bail...

Detail of Each side (exactly the same....)

What do you all think?

Marion

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

Niiiiiiice! I like it!

 

[Charlie Mike]

Cool deal... now I get it.

 

[william O]

I love the thread. I just got a maxped bottle holder w/ ss guyot bottle. I have boiled water in a SS Klean Kanteen by simply placing it directly in the fire at a level place on the coals. This seemed to work pretty well. I'm guessing from the efforts to design a convenient way to hang the bottle over the fire, 1., the water would boil quicker, or 2. the bottle would be less likely to tip and spill into fire, or 3. Both. Is that why you would hang instead of place into the fire? Thanks for your patience with a stupid question. William