h1 to good to be true? YUP! not worth a penny IMO

AF said:
It sounds like the OP is disappointed overall considering the price, blade play, edge holding and rust.
I find the comments about rust curious but other than that, his complaints sound credible and I can understand the disappointment.
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I understand it too. And I believe him, even without pics.

There was a thread a while ago where somebody put a salt 1 up against another knife in a water resistance contest. The salt's blade did not rust, but the logo rusted off almost completely. I would bet that if he sent picks it would look like the rust from the logo was spilling out over the h1 blade.

The other criticisms are so true man. Why didnt they put adjustable pivots on this knife? Because they are retarded? -no -because they have a plan to make us buy new ones when they wear out -which is lame considering that the steel is suposed to last forever w/out rust.

Have you guys ever delt with spyderco? Do you think they will replace the pivot joints when they wear out?
 
I love the pivots on the Salt knives. The Buck 110 has non-adjustable pivots and people have used them for 20+ years with no problems. There are 20 year old Spydercos kicking around that people are still using. You can adjust them with a vise or a ball pean hammer if you really want to.
 
blackfeetmageet said:
I understand it too. And I believe him, even without pics.

There was a thread a while ago where somebody put a salt 1 up against another knife in a water resistance contest. The salt's blade did not rust, but the logo rusted off almost completely. I would bet that if he sent picks it would look like the rust from the logo was spilling out over the h1 blade.
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perhaps. that would make sense, but we are already aware (as is sal) that the logo may show corrosion.

The other criticisms are so true man. Why didnt they put adjustable pivots on this knife? Because they are retarded? -no -because they have a plan to make us buy new ones when they wear out -which is lame considering that the steel is suposed to last forever w/out rust.
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yes, they are all retarded and it is a big conspiracy. :rolleyes:

nothing lasts forever, h1 doesn't rust, but it isn't supposed to last forever.

Have you guys ever delt with spyderco? Do you think they will replace the pivot joints when they wear out?
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yes, i have dealt with spyderco. i would think they would replace the pivot.

if you are so concerned, why not call?
 
blackfeetmageet said:
The other criticisms are so true man. Why didnt they put adjustable pivots on this knife? Because they are retarded? -no -because they have a plan to make us buy new ones when they wear out -which is lame considering that the steel is suposed to last forever w/out rust.

Have you guys ever delt with spyderco? Do you think they will replace the pivot joints when they wear out?
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Hmmm...

We already have people whining that the knives cost too much, and you want a totally rust proof threaded fastener to provide an adjustable pivot. Good plan. By itself it shouldn't add more than twenty or thirty dollars to the MSRP. Of course, it will require new tooling for the blades, since you will be altering the pivot hole size and therefore the lock geometry, and all new molds to accomodate the change in the FRN handle, but hey, what's another $100,000 in tooling and engineering costs. I'm sure that won't increase the amount of whining about the cost, and will doubtless boost sales instead.:rolleyes:

Oh, by the way, I have a couple of Schrade pocketknives that date back to 1913 with pinned construction that are still going strong. Do you think Schrade will replace the pivot pins when they wear out? Oh wait...the knives outlasted the company. How about that. And those were carbon steel blades, prone to rust. Will wonders never cease?
 
The fact that it is pinned made me buy the knife in the first place! I wanted a low maintanace knife without adjusting this or that or concerned about the pivot screw falling out.
 
I wonder if you swim with an H1 in a chlorinated pool enough, if it could develope some corrosion?
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I swim with my enduras in pools all the time.I have since I got my first one in about 92-93. From first version G2 through VG10, E4's. No rust on anything. I've swam in the ocean with them also with no problems. When they get bad enough I just put them in my pocket of my jeans and send them through the washer and dryer. They come out clean, but still no rust.

Just dry them off, re-oil, or silicone them.

No, I don't believe the Salt rusted. Everytime this has come up in the past it's been something on the blade. Once again......H1 Doesn't rust.

And, a well made pinned knife is still a well made knife. It's just pinned. I'd bet a cup of coffee there have been more problems sent in to W&R from screws buggered up than from pin problems.
 
Marthinus, that is the exact same reason that i love my pacific salt so much. There is absolutely nothing to adjust or worry about. Whenever i am going into a situation where i don't want to worry about my military, i just clip the salt into a pocket and don't even think about it.

Blackfeet, I understand that you are having problems with another knife manufacturer right now and that can be frustrating, but i can assure you that spyderco employees are neither retarded or out to take your hard earned money through trickery and evil plots. Spyderco has some of the best quality cutlery in the business, as well as some of the most well respected customer service. Frankly, a quick browse through this sub forum would have quickly alerted you to that. If my non adjustable salt developed unnacceptable blade play, i would send it back, and i would bet my car that we would reach a solution that made me happy. If you look through the posts that Sal has made in this thread alone, as well as the offers of an exchange for a serrated blade, then you can't possibly still think that spyderco is out to undeservidely take your money, can you?
 
blackfeetmageet said:
Have you guys ever delt with spyderco? Do you think they will replace the pivot joints when they wear out?
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I have dealt with Spyderco. Their customer service is awesome. I've been using Spyderco knives since the company first began and I've never heard of a pivot joint wearing out.
 
Maybe The R&D department should remove (buff) the H1 logo off the blade completely before sending the knife (or a serrated replacement) back to the OP.
I am sure he couldn't care less about the fancy logo, but would appreciate it if the blade wouldn't show any signs of rust anymore (yes, I DO know that it isn't really the H1 itself that rusts, but for lots of people, that's finickiness, rust on the blade is just rust on the blade, period.)

I hope everything works out fine, and maybe Sal will tell us what really happened with that knife. I feel confident he will, because Spyderco takes pride in selling knives that are truly rust-free, so they are eager to clarify what (if anything) went wrong here.

Dennis
 
I hope everything works out fine, and maybe Sal will tell us what really happened with that knife. I feel confident he will, because Spyderco takes pride in selling knives that are truly rust-free, so they are eager to clarify what (if anything) went wrong here.
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Sal tends to not speak out about issues where the customer was incorrect. He'll take the complaints rather than embarrass a customer in most cases. He tends to not put people down, or criticize either for those that haven't already noticed that.
 
It's easier to replace a blade than a reputation. I'm guessing he is mostly curious from a quality control aspect rather than "let me show him!", it's not his thing.

Cool to see such quick response time and the offer for a serrated offering. That shows a concern for the end user even further than the particular problem.

I've seen a test where a tasman was submitted to crazy levels of salt water in a tank for a month (if memory serves me) and it out lasted everything including the tank's equipment. That said, it is possible to have a bad knife. Nobody is perfect and they don't get this metal from little green men in saucer shaped ships....
 
What does the new logo look like? If one has a gen1 will you have to wait till it starts to rust or is Spyderco offering a recall?
Josh K said:
If he bought it with the newer H1 logo then there should be no pivot rusting and the clip is titanium. I believe they changed the logo from the lettering for the gen 2 salts.
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hunterfisher808 said:
What does the new logo look like? If one has a gen1 will you have to wait till it starts to rust or is Spyderco offering a recall?
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Old version

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new logo

http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=173

note the H1

I have had no problems with my H1 and it is the old version and it has seen salt water, chlorine pools, warm salt water pools in the gym, mud, kitchen work and little to no maintenance, so I do not feel there is a need for a recall.
 
Sal even said he'd replace it with an SE version if the OP wanted.

Talk about a nice guy.

Spyderco is a business model we should all be aware of and respect.
 
The Mastiff said:
Sal tends to not speak out about issues where the customer was incorrect. He'll take the complaints rather than embarrass a customer in most cases. He tends to not put people down, or criticize either for those that haven't already noticed that.
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You've got a good point there. I didn't realize it may turn out to be some "mistake" by the owner or something like that. In this case, you are of course totally right in assuming we will hear nothing about it any more (from Sal that is). But maybe deermaster will tell us (in case he will get to know what the issue was [if there was one to begin with]).

Like always in such threads, it would be nice though to hear how it all worked out.

Dennis
 
the logo is rusting and the pivot washer is rusting. i dont think im mistaking when i say that. as i stated before, the speckling rubbed off with an eraser and breakfree. the logo and washer is rusting. i will try to get a buddy to take a pic tonight of it. that way, if no one hears anything else about it, YOU CAN SLEEP WELL KNOWING I WASNT LYING
 
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