Hall Handmade

[brancron]

Where have I said anything of the sort?

It has been over a month since the OP asked you for a refund. That is the subject of this thread. The fact that you haven't squarely addressed it (and have instead gone into great detail about your life problems, for the millionth time) is extremely telling.

 

[HallHandmade]

It has been over a month since the OP asked you for a refund. That is the subject of this thread. The fact that you haven't squarely addressed it (and have instead gone into great detail about your life problems, for the millionth time) is extremely telling.

Um, before I shared any of those details you mention, I said I had the funds, and would work on the refund immediately after I began business for the day. I also communicated this directly to the customer. How exactly is that "failure to address it"?

 

[Gastonknife]

Since I'm in limbo mode right now until the wife wakes up... Ill share some of my many excuses missed in the OP (not being sarcastic, these are all excuses from at least one viewpoint in this transaction)(also check my IG feed to cross reference below mentioned events with photos if you like, it's an open book)

-Recovering from new injury and re-injury of my back in March of '15. Just starting to achieve some stabiliy in my health. Rough times. Angry customers. Missed deadlines. Still working hard and doing genuine best.

- early summer wife's best friend got 6mo terminal cancer diagnosis. Stage 4, 3rd relapse, untreatable. Asked us to get married asap before she passes.

-Birth of my first child (on April fools fool's day of course). Wife's best friend had to miss because she was still too radioactive.

-Baby had severe colic for nearly two months after she was born and it took both my wife and I 24/7 to care for her. When we weren't caring for the baby, we were preparing meals for our dying friend and her family on chemo days. They have other arrangments now.

-Pulled off impromptu wedding and honeymoon from miniscule savings combined with generosity from friends, family, and a few customers. Threw it ourselves, at inlaws community center (no venue fee) due to near zero budget or planning time, so were busy and exhausted for several weeks. Sick friend was able to attend as part of bridal party, looked beautiful, and had as much fun as possible considering.

-Week of wedding, disposal broke, water heater broke before family coming to stay. Grinder broke trying to finish a couple old blanks to pay for them. Spent week after wedding and before honeymoon fixing grinder. Showed up late to honeymoon with angry baby because I insisted on prepping orders until my printer ran out of toner (it did).

Around this point friends, family, customers, and colleagues alike (such as AVigil) start making regular, usually well intentioned wisecracks about my "special luck"

Week after honeymoon, on Oct. 1st, my wife's 6mo maternity leave is up. Same day my wife went back to work, my daughter turned 6mos. Also that same day, I started as full time dad, sometimes maker. Also, also, that same day, baby Em thought it would be a good time to learn to crawl, a lot, all at once, nearly every waking minute. Little sleep has been had by all, since then. I'm kind of clawing my way through each day. I think my clothes are 3 days old but not sure. Other parents will completely understand.

So end of last week before wife went back on shift, I message OP saying that I've FINALLY gotten away to the bank to take care of business, will send refund next morning. Next morning (Saturday 15th, two days ago) I drop a 50lb shop lamp on my foot and break two toes, one of which bled for a full day even elevated and unable to walk. I posted an update to my IG saying that i would be out of commission for a day or two with a picture of my busted foot. More wisecracks about my luck ensue. I coin phrase "I used up all my luck on my family"

I was hobbling and bleeding yesterday, today I am limping and not bleeding, and back to work literally any minute now when my wife wakes up. This will likely be my last post this size or this off topic, although I will reply as needed for on topic business concerns.



I completely agree with you Adam. It took me some time to get it straight but probably the best decision I made was to stop taking deposits and orders at roughly the same time earlier this year. Even when things are going well they are probably not a good idea. I think I only have three "deposited" knives unfinished currently and after those are done I'm not sure any amount of convincing could make it seem a good idea to me again. I did take one recently on insistence of a good customer but I capped it to 1/3 of the order value.

You have to be the most unlucky guy in the world.
You don't have time to refund the guy the money you took (and never delivered), and you previously had to wake up your wife so she could watch the baby so you could post a few lines. Now you can type multiple paragraphs of excuses without having to do the same. You are going so far out in left field to make excuses for your behavior. I do not normally do this but you have got to be absurd, if you think anyone believes all your nonsense you are crazy. Just pay the guy.

 

[AVigil]

Around this point friends, family, customers, and colleagues alike (such as AVigil) start making regular, usually well intentioned wisecracks about my "special luck[/B

Ian, your Instagram feed is like watching "Days of our lives", thus the barage of wisecracks.

 

[HallHandmade]

You have to be the most unlucky guy in the world.
You don't have time to refund the guy the money you took (and never delivered), and you previously had to wake up your wife so she could watch the baby so you could post a few lines. Now you can type multiple paragraphs of excuses without having to do the same. You are going so far out in left field to make excuses for your behavior. I do not normally do this but you have got to be absurd, if you think anyone believes all your nonsense you are crazy. Just pay the guy.

You have to be the most dedicated willfully ignorant gasoline pourer in the world, doing everything you possibly can to ignore the actual content of my posts and instead needle at the fact that my wife and baby are sleeping, and I refuse to wake them just so you can find some other angle to attack me from. I already agreed to "just pay the guy", who btw was party to a transaction you have nothing to do with, which was conducted on a completely different platform that has little to do with BF (other than both have knives and folks who looooove pouring gas on fires and watching the world burn). A guy who posted here on a forum I'm no longer active on and no longer do business on, for no reason other than to blackmail me into a few hours earlier response than I was already willing to give.

Now you genuinely think myself or other skilled makers who have been leaving this forum in droves for this exact reason, will also sit here and continue to be punching bags for folks like you. Hint: We wont. You say, don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out? Well sorry, I already let myself out and quietly closed the door behind me, the last time I was dragged here for a since resolved transaction.

Ian, your Instagram feed is like watching "Days of our lives", thus the barage of wisecracks.

I take them in good spirit, as long as they are made in good spirit. I believe even your harsher ones are, and so thank you accordingly.

 

[jbmonkey]

the hall of shame is filled with the same stories about life being hard and why doing the right thing cant be done.. good luck to everyone. hope it works out for all of you.

 

[Tigerfan]

A) Log on to PayPal and send OP the $$ owed. Daughter can sit beside you while you do this 5 minute task. No need to wake up mom.
or
B) Take daughter with you to bank. Have bank cut you a money order for the $$. Go by Post office on way home and send check to OP with tracking number. On the way home, stop at McDonalds and get daughter a happy meal and let her play on the play ground for a while. Go home and email OP with tracking number and report back on this thread that $$ are on the way.

Either option takes less time than the last few replies have taken. That is the point of this thread.

 

[HallHandmade]

A) Log on to PayPal and send OP the $$ owed. Daughter can sit beside you while you do this 5 minute task. No need to wake up mom.
or
B) Take daughter with you to bank. Have bank cut you a money order for the $$. Go by Post office on way home and send check to OP with tracking number. On the way home, stop at McDonalds and get daughter a happy meal and let her play on the play ground for a while. Go home and email OP with tracking number and report back on this thread that $$ are on the way.

Either option takes less time than the last few replies have taken. That is the point of this thread.

If you can pry a napping baby off the breast of a sleeping wife without waking either one, you must be a wizard or warlock of some kind. I implore you to share your great wisdom.

Also, that's a hilarious suggestion. See video on IG of my daughter slapping my keyboard and using my mouse at 3mos old. She is now 6mos. I wouldn't even get to the sitting down part... here's the funny thing. When someone is being honest about their debts to the community and the things that caused them, they are impossible to pick apart. You cant pick apart the truth nor can you "catch me" contradicting myself, because truth doesnt contradict itself.

I do not do business on days when my daughter is under my care... funny enough you made my argument for me. It is too time consuming and distracting. Distraction with young babies is danger and neglect. I will not bend on this. Period. Those days I am a home maker and father.

Furthermore my baby daughter is still nursing and naps with my wife during her daytime sleeps for work. I do not go into town on these days, period. I also have to prepare her lunch and do the laundry and other homemaker related tasks. My wife is majority breadwinner and love of my life, and neither of us will bend on this. Period.

 

[Tigerfan]

If you can pry a napping baby off the breast of a sleeping wife without waking either one, you must be a wizard or warlock of some kind. I implore you to share your great wisdom.

I do not do business on days when my daughter is under my care... funny enough you made my argument for me. It is too time consuming and distracting. Distraction with young babies is danger and neglect. I will not bend on this.

Having raised a few babies in my time, I beg to differ. This is a silly response. Many (most) dads here will agree. Too distracting to take baby with you to the bank and post office with a stop by the playground, zoo, whatever? My kids (and now my granddaughter) loved to get out, go places, and see things. It is not 'business', it is a daddy/daughter day!

 

[brancron]

If you can pry a napping baby off the breast of a sleeping wife without waking either one, you must be a wizard or warlock of some kind. I implore you to share your great wisdom.

I do not do business on days when my daughter is under my care... funny enough you made my argument for me. It is too time consuming and distracting. Distraction with young babies is danger and neglect. I will not bend on this.

Oh wow, another excuse for not taking 45 seconds to PayPal money back to the person who demanded a refund over a month ago. It's funny how people like you never seem to talk about refunds in the past tense.

 

[HallHandmade]

Having raised a few babies in my time, I beg to differ. This is a silly response. Many (most) dads here will agree. Too distracting to take baby with you to the bank and post office with a stop by the playground, zoo, whatever? My kids (and now my granddaughter) loved to get out, go places, and see things. It is not 'business', it is a daddy/daughter day!

Did you read what I edited in? If you did, and still feel the same, then I am rather dubious about your claims of having raised children.

Furthermore, have you ever tried to load my daughter into a carseat? On a day that she is cranky because she hasn't seen mommy awake for two or three days straight? And wants nothing whatsoever to do with dad or any outing? Dad hasnt slept for two days and cant even drive safely, and youre suggesting he take his unwilling, cranky, and unrested baby daughter out on dangerous and traffic filled roads roads in so-cal? And this is supposed to be a fun father/daughter day?

 

[jbmonkey]

If you can pry a napping baby off the breast of a sleeping wife without waking either one, you must be a wizard or warlock of some kind. I implore you to share your great wisdom.

I do not do business on days when my daughter is under my care... funny enough you made my argument for me. It is too time consuming and distracting. Distraction with young babies is danger and neglect. I will not bend on this.

instead of replying here...which is doing business trying to save your shattering reputation.....as you said sleeping baby is with mom. ...spend the time on paypal and refund the fellows you owe their money. takes 5 minutes max. youve spent far more time on this board than that.

you are not making sense in your reponses and doing more damage than saying nothing. your rep your call.

 

[fastone052]

Oh wow, another excuse for not taking 45 seconds to PayPal money back to the person who demanded a refund over a month ago. It's funny how people like you never seem to talk about refunds in the past tense.

I bet it can be done in less than 30 seconds.

 

[Tigerfan]

Did you read what I edited in? If you did, and still feel the same, then I am rather dubious about your claims of having raised children.

Furthermore, have you ever tried to load my daughter into a carseat? On a day that she is cranky because she hasn't seen mommy awake for two or three days straight? And wants nothing whatsoever to do with dad or any outing? Dad hasnt slept for two days and cant even drive safely, and youre suggesting he take his unwilling, cranky, and unrested baby daughter out on dangerous and traffic filled roads roads in so-cal? And this is supposed to be a fun father/daughter day?

Been there. Done it. So have millions before you. Including a majority of dads on this forum. Suck it up and spend 30 seconds on PayPal rather than the past several hours monitoring this thread. If you do not have the cash, spend this time with the OP working out a monthly payment or something similar. I bet the OP will gladly work with you.

 

[HallHandmade]

instead of replying here...which is doing business trying to save your shattering reputation.....as you said sleeping baby is with mom. ...spend the time on paypal and refund the fellows you owe their money. takes 5 minutes max. youve spent far more time on this board than that.

you are not making sense in your reponses and doing more damage than saying nothing. your rep your call.

Sure i will... when my wife wakes up, no sooner, no later. I will post here when done. Exactly what i said a whole page of everyone twisting my words ago. The only reason you even got this much fun out of me is that I always let my wife sleep when coming off shift.

 

[Hale Storm]

Raised TWO boys for almost 10 years by myself as a single dad. I'm not buying it. I can make a paypal payment in about 2 minutes and I'm capable of holding a 6 month old where she can't reach the keyboard while doing it.

If it's really been a month that the OP has been asking for a refund, then I call BS.

I hope it all works out for you.

 

[HallHandmade]

Raised TWO boys for almost 10 years by myself as a single dad. I'm not buying it. I can make a paypal payment in about 2 minutes and I'm capable of holding a 6 month old where she can't reach the keyboard while doing it.

If it's really been a month that the OP has been asking for a refund, then I call BS.

I hope it all works out for you.

Keep calling BS all you want. Won't prevent me from sending the refund, won't change my reasons.

And if you genuinely think that you could "just hold my daughter real quick away from the keyboard" then I'm the one calling BS on you. I wouldn't get one hand off her before she dived right over the edge, unless you suggest strapping her down also. Then she would start screeching because she hates being confined and is always moving, and my wife would wake up. She has gotten so bad in the last couple weeks we usually dress and change diapers in a team because it is borderline dangerous not to. And once again... if you don't believe the flat out truth, aint a thing I can do to help it. My daughter isnt your sons. We had a friend come over with a boy same exact age as ours to babysit, said our baby was worth 2 or 3 of hers and she wouldnt be back. Funny how "expert veteran" parents are dropping like flies when they attempt to watch my daughter for a few hours... and then they go "oh, NOW i get it, she's tough" as they leave my house looking like they got hit by a semi truck. If you "don't get it" that's fine. I am under no obligation to argue with someone who claims I am lying about my own daughter.

I really have to question all of these macho guys that claim to have kids by themselves... but seem to somehow habe come out of that with little or no understanding of what it takes.

 

[Tigerfan]

The good news is that Mom will be at work and daughter will be in bed within the next few hours, so the PP payment should be complete before the night is over.

 

[Gastonknife]

Completely and utterly pathological.

 

[HappyDaddy]

As your PR guy, my advice to you is this: Admit that you screwed up. Stop making excuses, Stop posting here. Pay the man his money - tomorrow. Be happy when OP reports that he has his money. Apologize again. Don't screw up again. Hope your reputation survives this incident.