Hard Core Survival Situation

[Shoki]

I think I could take on a pack of Cocker spaniels.

Cover your puukko and PJ balls!

 

[DOC-CANADA]

Machinegun, preferably belt fed. I have had to fend off two dogs at once, and they did their darndest to divide and conquer. I booted one head over tea kettle, and lined up to pepper spray the second when the owner came sprinting my way - he almost got the pepperspray.

He should have!

Doc

 

[Shoki]

It's sad really. These dogs are big, strong, determined, and are bread to be. Owners have a responsibility to train and socialize their dogs, (no matter what the breed), properly so that this sort of thing doesn't happen. Pits can be sweet, loving, and docile animals with the right owners and it's sad that some people are so irresponsible.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

me and my fiance couldnt even train hers to walk with a normal leash because there necks are to muscly so they have no feeling

I had a boxer whose neck was so strong, he liked me to swing him around in a circle, off the ground, by his leash -- and a choker collar with spikes on the inside.

 

[hollowdweller]

A while back there was a case of a trapper here in WV who got sick and it turned out he had rabies and died. Apparently he had cut himself while unknowingly dressing out an infected animal.

 

[matthewdanger]

When it comes to a pack of pitbulls or just about any dog, I think you are right HD. You better be able to get up a tree.

The single most important determining factor is going to be mindset - not gear. Dogs can be on top of you so quickly and so quietly that when dealing with them in large numbers you have to know that you will come in contact with teeth. Even if you have a weapon (gun or knife), if they are in sufficient numbers, they will get teeth on you. The only way you will win (a win here is simply surviving), is to be able to keep a sufficiently cool head, have an enduring will to survive, accept that you will get hurt, and be able to make the right decisions quickly.

 

[BrianB]

When I was in the Army, I learned a special technique for just such a situation. It does require a little flexibility, so a good physical training regime with some stretching should be practiced as well.

First, you want to assume a wide stance, with your legs bent. Martial artists call this a horse stance. The important thing is to be balanced, with a low center of gravity.

Then, you face the pack of dogs squarely, and without fear.

Take your hands, and place them on your knees, maintaining a low center of gravity. Grasp your knees as the pack approaches.

Now, bend down. Tuck your head between your legs...

And kiss your @$$ goodbye. =)

 

[skitertank]

well like most or all on here,i never leave home without my knife so i would always have that. i could fight,more likly kill, a single dog if attacked. one instance i fought off a doverman and a roitweiller that attacked me while i went to mow someones lawn(when i was doing landscaping so i didnt know the house or people),and a punch sqaure in the nose sent them both off.(dogs noses are very sensitve,remember that).

i am confident in my ability to defend myself against animal or human,but what this case comes down to is being outnumbered,in which case there's not much you can do about that. hell,a pack of coyotes could take down a full grown man if they new they could. i dont know if any kind of spray or weapon(besides a gun)would have changed the outcome of this,getting away rather than fighting them off would be your best bet.

 

[RoyalM]

If no high ground was available and out running them wasn't an option then I guess I'd try to get to a choke point where the pack couldn't bring their numbers to bare so effectively.

As for weapon my first thought was a decent sized blade maybe one for boar hunting but now i'm thinking 2 punch daggers and just start punching anything furry within striking distance. Combine it with a slashing attack and hope you can get lucky a few times. I would if possible take off my jacket and wrap it round one arm to at least give me an arm to use to block with. In a fight like this you're going to get injured so it's just about trying to minimize what you get and if you have to sacrifice nonessential areas for essential. ie better to take a bite to the forearm than the hand. I'd also be looking to stamp jump on any dogs i'd injured. One thing is for sure it would be a mad minute and not pretty.

Hell of a bad scenario to be in though.

 

[Anrkst6973]

No kidding this was a horrible incident. I own and love my pits. The OWNERS are responsible for what happened. I can tell you that against a pack of 4 or 5 you are pretty much screwed..a fire extinguisher sized can of pepper spray might give you a chance but pits are fast and once in aggressive mode without an owner to command them down...mine weigh in around 90 lbs and can sustain speed near 25 mph. Theres not much getting away or hope of staying on your feet when that kind of weight hits you at that speed. I own them so I take responsabilty to fence them and socialize them and train them so that I am the master. NO animal should be left to roam around without control..more so if it is a large canine like a pit, doberman or Rott. Its is not the dogs fault..they are what PEOPLE bred them to be...and the PEOPLE should be accountable for them.

 

[forestnomad]

If I were near wadable water, I would definitely run for it and hope that the water would dissaude the dogs or slow them down enough to either take them one at a time with a knife or stick, or drown them if they latched on. I doubt (but don't know) pitbulls are great swimmers.

That might be a good strategy for pitbulls, but you'd be pretty screwed if you got caught in the shallows and pinned underwater.

 

[bushcraft]

I am adding this to my kit

 

[Calebklyne]

I had a boxer whose neck was so strong, he liked me to swing him around in a circle, off the ground, by his leash -- and a choker collar with spikes on the inside.

that just made me think of one time when i was holding the leash and brooklyn(my pity) took off but i didnt move and she did a backflip she caught on after that and would take off a lot slower

 

[Anrkst6973]

There was a vid out a few years back.."Dogs that protect" I forget the vid-graphers name tho. In it a roughly 90 lb pit is shown coming to the defense of its child/owner. That big bone cruncher clears a near 6 ft wall to protect it human. The most awesome part is when the attacker flees that child calls that animal off and back by VOICE COMMAND alone..without ever once having to touch it! If you can find it..watch it. I did have an incident a few years ago with a doberman where the upright stance and command voice keep the animal at bay for time enough to let the owner get to it..the dog was not happy and circled and growled but in its mind it could not disobey the commanding voice. just a .02 thought.

 

[KEmSAT-Survival]

But 4 or 5?? What would y'all do? I mean climbing a tree or getting on top of a car or something would seem to be the only thing to do if you saw them coming.

Never underestimate a motivated animal. I saw a German Shepherd leap onto a carhood just as graceful as a cat once.

And my Satchmo is stout as an ox and can dig like a backhoe.

I'd just about be willing to bet a dog can climb a tree if it needs to. I've seen 'em climb out of kennels with no tops before.

I think I could take on a pack of Cocker spaniels.

I could kick a pack of chihuahuas' asses.

C'mere little Mexican Taco dawg!!


A pack of 4-5 pitbulls or other big dogs...short of a snow plow I don't rightly know how a man COULD survive. That like 4 or 5 steel traps with wenches hooked onto you and tugging, rolling and ripping all at once.

I'm not real sure...but I think you're fkd.

 

[Calebklyne]

Never underestimate a motivated animal. I saw a German Shepherd leap onto a carhood just as graceful as a cat once.
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do keep in mind that especially belgian and german shepherds have been bread to kill and as law enforcement dogs for the last 200 years

 

[cmdionne]

Packs of pit bulls scare the crap out of me. I frequently see a pack of about 6 or 7 of them in what passes for a "park" here in Detroit on one of my routes to work, I'm glad that I'm in my car.

Also, dogs, especially pit bulls are tough. When I was about 14 I was staying at my grandparents farm, and a decent sized pit showed up in the yard, killed their juvenile emu and then started chasing their pygmy goats. My grandpa ran onto the deck and shot it with a 410 loaded birdshot (single shot, didn't have any more shells with him) which only managed to get the dog to charge him. He then grabbed a pipe wrench off the deck and began to hit it about the head and neck. The dog didn't even seem to notice, and I still don't know how my grandpa didn't get bitten. I was in the meantime running to grab a 12G and some buckshot which I used to kill the dog. Didn't end up being rabid, which is what we were most worried about. My grandpa was devastated that the dog had killed his emu though.

When I saw the dog not even react to a big pipe wrench being repeatedly swung into its head, it changed how I looked at dogs. I hope to never end up in a struggle with one unless I've got some serious firepower.

 

[Rick Marchand]

If you saw them coming and had a gun or pepper spray... you have a chance. Once they're on you (especially a dog capable of that much damage) .... you're pooched. (pun intended)

Don't kid yourself... unless someone else interviens... you don't have a chance against a pack of 3 or more. Jumping onto a car won't do $#IT if they want you bad enough.

 

[KEmSAT-Survival]

For some reason I keep thinking of Quint from "Jaws" when I read this thread:

"Yeah, that's real fine expensive gear you brought out here, Mr. Hooper. 'Course I don't know what that bastard shark's gonna do with it, might eat it I suppose. Seen one eat a rockin' chair one time."


And:

"You go in the cage? Cage goes in the water? Shark's in the water. Our shark.....Farewell and adieu to you, fair spanish ladies. Fairwell and adieu to you, ladies of Spain. For we've received orders we're to sail back to Boston. And so nevermore shall we see you again...."

 

[jw2n]

I posted this in another thread, but will repeat it. I shot a full blast of bear spray into a pits face from four feet. It was probably the sixth dog I have had to spray, and it had no effect. On the other dogs it immediately ended their aggressive behavior. One item that would shut them down, as it does humans, is a squirt gun with fameldyhyde (how the hell do you spell that). This was what we used when I was a teenager, and riding my bikes. I only had to use it once, and squirted the dog directly in the snout and eyes. The reaction would have made you think he was going to die. I understand from reading that a human is 100% incapacitated for 30 minutes after receiving a shot in the face. Rated a 100 times more effective than any pepper spray.