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Hard Core Survival Situation

have trained all breeds of dogs in schutzhund,security,guard,police,attack,drugs.hearding for a number of years, pits, rotts, dobs, giant snazers, buvia, probably every working breed known to man, if you have these types of dogs please learn to handle them responsably, if you see one running loose thats a threat, kill it before it kills someone or a child. i can easily take out one well trained attack dog, with my bare hands two or more and your screwed, have seen a lot of dogs become more aggressive when sprayed with pepper spray, was training a rottie for a security detail that would not release the sleeve for anything a shock collar on his neck another taped to his nuts, only bit harder when shocked.
 
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machinest said:
learn to handle them responsably
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this is one of the main problems people dont train their dogs properly, we had to put our pity down because she was abused and ended up biting someone, we were lucky it was my father in law and it wasnt enough to break skin but she had aggressive tendencies towards others as well. Its always a sad thing to have to put an animal down but sometimes it comes down to responsibility on the part of the owners to find a rescue for the animal so it can be rehabilitated or if that cannot be done it might mean having to put it down although that should always be the last resort
 
Magnussen said:
....Don't kid yourself... unless someone else interviens... you don't have a chance against a pack of 3 or more. Jumping onto a car won't do $#IT if they want you bad enough.
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That's pretty much it. The noblest animal made, in my book, but a shark with a fuse up its butt under the wrong circumstances.
 
I remember a firsthand report published in Combat Handguns magazine in which a parent was with his kids and their pet dog, when their dog was suddenly attacked by a Pitbull.

Their dog was actually in the jaws of the Pitbull, and to ensure no over penetration, the man began shooting the Pitbull into its spine, from directly above the dog, gun muzzle aimed directly downwards.

He shot the Pitbull from the hindquarters, tracking along the spine, to which the dog showed no sign of injury and continued to bite on their family pet.

Finally, the last, of several shots severed the spinal column at the neck, and the Pitbull died. I don't recall if the pistol used was a 9mm, or a .40, but it certainly brought to my attention the harsh, actual realities of stopping an attack by a motivated Pitbull!
 
I worked as a water meter reader when younger, so have had more than a few dogs come charging after me...but never more than two at a time. Got aggressive and went swinging the meter rod (long metal rod used for opening meter boxes) at them like a maniac and they always backed off. On a few occasions, if they had not backed down, I would have been dog food for sure. More than one would be a handful...4 or 5 would be almost impossible for one person to handle.
 
pits are very dangerous , as a teenager in western N.C. in the early to mid 90's I got to witness first hand how vicious these dogs can be as dogfighting was very big and it seemed like everyone was into it . Ive seen these dogs take HUGE amounts of punishment and the "GAME" ones dont stop or retreat ........period,alot of the oldtimers would say a pit is a dog biter not a people biter I guess that is true to some extent as that is what they were originally bred for any with out a firearm and facing a pack of these I say you are screwed.............oh and some can climb trees like a cat ive seen it with my own two eyes or i never would have believed it.
 
Slightly off topic,but to whoever said pitbulls aren't good swimmers,obviously hasn't seen Maisy doing her seal act.
 
When I was 16 I got attacked by a german shepard, the owner and the dog were in their garage when he opened the over head door, I happened to be skateboarding by, the driveway was about 30 feet long and the dog was on me before he got the door all the way up, bit me right on the ass. 30 years later I still don't trust shepards.

Against 3 to 5 dogs you might as well be in the water with gators.
 
What do you mean, "short of carrying a firearm"?! That's EXACTLY why I carry a Glock 10mm with 15 rounds in it.

My life, and my family, is far too precious to mess around with half measures.
 
steeljhp said:
pits are very dangerous , as a teenager in western N.C. in the early to mid 90's I got to witness first hand how vicious these dogs can be as dogfighting was very big and it seemed like everyone was into it . Ive seen these dogs take HUGE amounts of punishment and the "GAME" ones dont stop or retreat ........period,alot of the oldtimers would say a pit is a dog biter not a people biter I guess that is true to some extent as that is what they were originally bred for any with out a firearm and facing a pack of these I say you are screwed.............oh and some can climb trees like a cat ive seen it with my own two eyes or i never would have believed it.
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Irresponsible owners are very dangerous, not the breed. I understand that some are bad but only their popularity among the 'unsavory' makes them any more dangerous than any other aggressive breed. Ever go toe to toe with an angry Chow? How about a Shnauser? If thugs and trash thought Old English Sheep dogs looked tough then we'd probably be worried about packs of them attacking us. Yes, they are considered an aggressive breed. Oh, for the record, Pits were originally bread to catch wild pigs and cattle. It wasn't until later that they replaced bull terriers as the fighting dog of choice.
 
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ditto on you are screwed. I have faced one down and had to shoot it. I tried slowly backing away, it only advanced. I then tried bluffing by yelling and stomping at it (often works on less aggressive dogs). It called my bluff and advanced. My confidence in the .40 aint what it used to be. When it was clear he would bite I fired once from about 7 ft. into its face passing through the upper left jaw and into the lower right jaw where the round lodged. Thankfully it turned and ran after having its teeth shot out. It did not die for some time but was treated and was later euthanized. Several neighbors thanked me for what I did as they lived in fear of the dog whose owner is a pos. and the dog often wandered the neighborhood. I think if you broke a 2x4 over them it will only piss them off. With multiple dogs you will be drug down and pulled appart. I dont know about spray but do not under estimate how motivated a dog like that can be. With multiple dogs I would start shooting alot sooner while moving for some type of cover/tree. I would feel very under gunned with a handgun. 12 gauge / oo would likely be my choice.
josh
 
In lieu of the "dogs off leash thread", let the mods know if this thread gets out of hand, that is all. Carry on!
 
This makes me think of the scene in "No Country for Old Men", where the dogs are chasing the protagonist down the river. One of the most intense scenes in any movie I've ever seen.

I've read somewhere that pits, moreso than other breeds, have an autonomic reaction where their blood gets shunted to their kidneys when in fight mode. Basically like going into shock - they have less blood to lose when they get injured, so can keep on fighting past what would incapacitate other breeds.

I used to have a Rottweiler. He was a very good dog. I quickly learned to break his concentration when he started to zone in on something. Once he was fully zoned in there was nothing that would break it. I could also see the strong pack mentality that would set in when we were out walking with my other dog, a Newfoundland (an awesome, gentle, teddy bear of a dog). Because of that, I would never own two Rotties.
 
Pits are a cross between a real bulldog, the American bulldog, and the worthless, egg headed, bull terrier. Then someone got the brilliant idea of crossing in the Staffordshire terrier, which is another fighting breed.Not "protection breed". They are meant to fight each other or get after other animals.
I like them all !

As far as I am concerned the AMbull is the only one to have for personal protection.
The pits are too damned determined to kill other animals and are less focused on the two legged problems.
I hired a K9 trainer to train my female Johnson in Miami.
He got in a suit, like the one pictured in this thread. He came at me with a stick. She hit him like a freight train. He said " I'm done here" She doesn't need to be trained". First try, day one, 7 months old :D
He said he had never seen a dog go that insane against him.
Here's some Johnson types at work :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXBHJsklzTQ&feature=related
 
flnder said:
Slightly off topic,but to whoever said pitbulls aren't good swimmers,obviously hasn't seen Maisy doing her seal act.
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I have a 2 pitbulls and they are great swimmers! Having to had broke up sevral fights between the 2 myself I can tell you if even 1 or 2 were after you, you are pretty much toast. Most of them are people freindly by nature but then there are the sh***y owners who give pitbulls a bad rap.
just my bit

PS just wanted to add they are not pitbulls but american staffordshire terriors, alot of people seem to think they are all the same though.
 
I believe mindset and will to survive would have a lot to do with it. I think that throughout all of human history there had to have been someone that has survived or repelled a pack of dogs/wolves attack.
My girlfriend and I have two dogs from our local pound. One is a german shepherd mix we have had for 6 years and the other is a pit/boxer/beagle mix we have had a year now. The younger one still acts like a puppy and is super high energy and loves to play, whereas the older one is laid back. My girlfriend and I were waking up and the dogs were playing on the bed and our shepherd mix got mad at the younger one and the pit came out in her. They started really fighting and I had grabbed both of them by the backs of their necks' and flung each of them about 5 feet across the room off the bed. When they knew they were in trouble they relaxed and were normal. My adrealine had been pumping and they were across the room before we knew it. These dogs are around 50lbs each. Granted they weren't coming after me and there was just the two. I think though the human spirit and the will to survive should not be underestimated whatever the situation. Humans started out however many thousands of years ago with just sticks and fire and we are now the dominate species on this planet. Our will and brains is what has moved us to the top.
 
I've never been attacked by a group of dogs, I have defended my self against dogs one one and I know that once the dog(s) are on you it's too late to do much but try to slow them down till help arrives. However, I have seen groups of dogs attack and ( if they are not being encouraged by humans) they will change their focus if an easier target presents itself.

I once caught a pack of dogs chasing a horse and I shot one with my .308, naturally I shot the one closest to the horse and (obviously) he was in front of the rest of the pack. As soon as he went down, they stopped chasing the horse and attacked him, horse got away and I got two more before the last 2 or 3 ran off. Now had they been attacking me, I doubt my shooting skills would have been quite up to par so I'm not sure I'd want a gun over a good protective spray to defend myself. Even better might be a torch or some kind of burning stick. I've never seen an animal that didn't respect fire.

To whoever said famaldehyde ( I looked it up that's how you spell it), I doubt that's 100 times as effective as protective sprays. Watch some of these videos...http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...c+spray&search_type=&aq=0&oq=Marine+Corps+OC+

I ( along with most every other Marine ) went through this training and I can tell you, I felt the effects for a couple of days, and my experience was nothing compared to one guy who forgot to take his contacts out first. That sh*t stings I kid you not. I wish I could get some of that O.C. for personal carry but it's a controlled substance.

David
 
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