Hard use folder tasks??

[jiggyfly16]

That's assuming you have the materials to do it with.

Just because it works for you doesn't mean that it should be true for everybody.

you cant be prepared for every situation with a hard use knife. A knife only has one single purpose and that is to cut. therefore you have to adapt at least to some degree.(or carry a lot of hardware with you)

 

[singularity35]

you cant be prepared for every situation with a hard use knife. A knife only has one single purpose and that is to cut. therefore you have to adapt at least to some degree.(or carry a lot of hardware with you)

Can anybody ever be prepared for any situation? Are you then more prepared if you carry a slipjoint?

Isn't using a hard use knife adapting to the situation? And are you saying a hard use knife can't cut? I don't carry a lot of hardware and that is precisely why I need a versatile knife. One that can cut as well as pry or batton or stab if needed.

Are you saying that a ZT 300 or a chinook 3 or a strider can't cut?

 

[stabman]

Let's say it is "some generic term for a knife that tries to fill all niches but doesn't excel at any one task". On the other hand we will have a knife that excels in one task, but will fail in the other. Which is better?

Honestly, the only task that any of my less heavy duty knives would fail at is prying.
But I've never had to pry with a knife, other than the minimal "prying" involved in getting a piece of wood off after cutting most of the way through, and none of my knives have ever failed at that.
The only broken tips I've encountered in the last 8 years or so was when my brother chipped the last 0.125" about of the tip off of his Titanium Military after he did a full power overswing into a robust steel pipe.:foot:
Even my SmF's would require putting a new point on after such a thing, just with slightly less loss of length.
But hey, after reprofiling the tip of his Military for him, I've produced a knife legal in more states!

 

[effer]

Honestly, the only task that any of my less heavy duty knives would fail at is prying.
But I've never had to pry with a knife, other than the minimal "prying" involved in getting a piece of wood off after cutting most of the way through, and none of my knives have ever failed at that.
The only broken tips I've encountered in the last 8 years or so was when my brother chipped the last 0.125" about of the tip off of his Titanium Military after he did a full power overswing into a robust steel pipe.:foot:
Even my SmF's would require putting a new point on after such a thing, just with slightly less loss of length.

I agree with what you're saying and that's why I said that in the end everyone should choose what HE/SHE needs/wants. Some people do light prying even more often than cutting and refuse to carry a prybar, because they "don't need it".

There is also a big question of what is considered a hard use knife. There is no clear definition. Take small sebenza for example. A lot of people will say that it is not a hard use knife, but in fact it will hold up better than many others. A lot of people say that it is a great slicer. Well, I would say FFG Spyderco probably will slice better. So, is Sebenza just a "knife that tries to fill all niches but doesn't excel at any one task"? That might be it, but it doesn't make it a bad knife.
Also compare Strider PT here. It is considered a Hard use knife by many, but is it all that much stronger than small sebenza? I doubt it. And as for slicing, I don't think it does any worse than that same small Sebenza, but not as good as Military. It's just another good knife where some slicing performance is given up for some more robust blade.

I think everyone has an image of what is hard use, what is light use etc. And that image might be a lot different from one person to another.

But hey, after reprofiling the tip of his Military for him, I've produced a knife legal in more states!

I once found Military on ebay with a broken tip (about 3/4" missing). I really wanted to pick it up to modify it, but it sold for a bit more than what I was willing to spend on a broken knife. That would've been a Military that I would carry

 

[stabman]

There is also a big question of what is considered a hard use knife. There is no clear definition. Take small sebenza for example. A lot of people will say that it is not a hard use knife, but in fact it will hold up better than many others. A lot of people say that it is a great slicer. Well, I would say FFG Spyderco probably will slice better. So, is Sebenza just a "knife that tries to fill all niches but doesn't excel at any one task"? That might be it, but it doesn't make it a bad knife. Also compare Strider PT here. It is considered a Hard use knife by many, but is it all that much stronger than small sebenza? I doubt it.

Have to agree.

 

[chevy_racin]

I read this today http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=765960

I'm not sure how to define "hard use". But, I can't think of more hard use than what a firefighter would put a knife through. Maybe a soldier or LEO. But his review describes some pretty hard use IMO.

 

[jiggyfly16]

Can anybody ever be prepared for any situation? Are you then more prepared if you carry a slipjoint?

Isn't using a hard use knife adapting to the situation? And are you saying a hard use knife can't cut? I don't carry a lot of hardware and that is precisely why I need a versatile knife. One that can cut as well as pry or batton or stab if needed.

Are you saying that a ZT 300 or a chinook 3 or a strider can't cut?

Can anybody ever be prepared for any situation?

simply no.

Are you then more prepared if you carry a slipjoint?

I never said I was.

Isn't using a hard use knife adapting to the situation?

depends on what situation.

And are you saying a hard use knife can't cut?

no, I never said that. But by making a knife thicker, you are in fact sacrificing cutting efficiency to try to compensate for a knife's natural weaknesses (lateral forces, and torque).

One that can cut as well as pry or batton or stab if needed.

IMO asking a knife for more than cutting is asking too much for such a single minded tool.

Are you saying that a ZT 300 or a chinook 3 or a strider can't cut?

again, I never said that.

 

[effer]

IMO asking a knife for more than cutting is asking too much for such a single minded tool.

Tell this to soldiers.

 

[singularity35]

IMO asking a knife for more than cutting is asking too much for such a single minded tool.

That's your opinion. In case you really are interested in what hard use knives can and can't do, search is your friend. There have been too many threads with too many posts arguing in favor of and against hard use. There's nothing new I can say and nothing that you can say that I haven't heard and presented my position to before.

 

[singularity35]

I never said I was.


again, I never said that.

So it seems like you're not saying anything at all.

 

[jiggyfly16]

Tell this to soldiers.

not ALL soldiers use their knives hard.

my friend who's a marine never really used his knives for more than hard cutting.

 

[jiggyfly16]

That's your opinion. In case you really are interested in what hard use knives can and can't do, search is your friend. There have been too many threads with too many posts arguing in favor of and against hard use. There's nothing new I can say and nothing that you can say that I haven't heard and presented my position to before.

So it seems like you're not saying anything at all.

you know what they say about opinions....

I've taken my side and you have taken yours. You can't convince me to take your side and I can't convince you to take my side. what really is there to say?

 

[jiggyfly16]

you can keep posting reasons why you should use knives for more than cutting and I can keep posting about why you shouldn't. obviously you can use you knives however you want and I can use mine however I want.

 

[Frontiersman101]

Anything and everything. You can carve a picture in your car hood if you would like.

 

[singularity35]

you can keep posting reasons why you should use knives for more than cutting and I can keep posting about why you shouldn't.

What business is it of yours, that you should tell us what we shouldn't do.? I do encourage you to post your opinions because this is the internet after all but telling somebody else what they shouldn't do with their knives? :thumbdn::jerkit:

obviously you can use you knives however you want and I can use mine however I want.

This is actually the bottom line. If you don't like tough knives, that's your prerogative but if,

I can keep posting about why you shouldn't.

then obviously you're just trying to stir the pot. That, my friend, is called being a troll.


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[jiggyfly16]

What business is it of yours, that you should tell us what we shouldn't do.?



This is actually the bottom line. If you don't like tough knives, that's your prerogative but if, then obviously you're just trying to stir the pot.

I may have phrased that wrong and that I only meant that it is futile to keep arguing about it. But DON'T accuse me of stirring the pot by me merely stating my opinion just because you don't agree with me. I have the right to state my opinions just as much much as you do, no matter how unpopular. This is a discussion forum after all. my last two posts were merely an attempt to conclude this because I don't want to argue about it anymore, I see no end to it and it's pointless. If you saw that as an attempt to stir the pot, then you have missed my point completely. I may have phrased it wrong and I apologize for it, but I WON'T apologize for stating my opinions. I came to this forum to learn and make friends, not enemies. I hope that we can agree to disagree and move on.

 

[singularity35]

... I WON'T apologize for stating my opinions. I came to this forum to learn and make friends, not enemies. I hope that we can agree to disagree and move on.

No problem, it's all good. That's what I often say to anti tough folder guys when we go around a lot. If they were are reasonable as you, about agreeing to disagree, we'd all have lunch sooner. :thumbup:

 

[jiggyfly16]

No problem, it's all good. That's what I often say to anti tough folder guys when we go around a lot. If they were are reasonable as you, about agreeing to disagree, we'd all have lunch sooner. :thumbup:

more like bedtime, over here is 1:30 AM.:yawn:

 

[stabman]

Tell this to soldiers.

Most soldiers here have posted that their knives were mainly used for opening MRE's.
There HAVE been a few who posted uses that required a stouter blade, but not too many.
I'd wager that a tradesman or construction worker who uses his knife everyday as a tool would use his knife harder for the large part than most soldiers, who jobs are generally not very blade oriented.
Check the threads which contain the knives normally carried and used by soldiers; it's generally multi-tools and low to mid-range folders.
Not many "hard use" knives to be found. Some, but not that many.

 

[Ankerson]

Most soldiers here have posted that their knives were mainly used for opening MRE's.
There HAVE been a few who posted uses that required a stouter blade, but not too many.
I'd wager that a tradesman or construction worker who uses his knife everyday as a tool would use his knife harder for the large part than most soldiers, who jobs are generally not very blade oriented.
Check the threads which contain the knives normally carried and used by soldiers; it's generally multi-tools and low to mid-range folders.
Not many "hard use" knives to be found. Some, but not that many.

Not sure about today as today is much different or so it seems than the way it used be some some odd reason.

I wasn't in the Army though.

I know when I was in the USMC back in the early to mid 80's we used the heck out of our knives almost all of us carried fixed blades. Used them for a lot more than opening MRE's I can tell you that. I didn't even know what an MRE was until I was in for 2 years, we still used the C-Rations.

I never would have needed a Multi-Tool either and can't even think how or why I would have ever used one or even perceived to need one for anything. Personally I think they are gadgets and always well and I am not into gadgets.

A Folder out in the field?

For what?

We carried fixed blades, no need for a folder in the field.