Hard use folder tasks??

Ankerson said:
Not sure about today as today is much different or so it seems than the way it used be some some odd reason. ;)

I wasn't in the Army though. ;)

I know when I was in the USMC back in the early to mid 80's we used the heck out of our knives almost all of us carried fixed blades. Used them for a lot more than opening MRE's I can tell you that. I didn't even know what an MRE was until I was in for 2 years, we still used the C-Rations.

I never would have needed a Multi-Tool either and can't even think how or why I would have ever used one or even perceived to need one for anything. Personally I think they are gadgets and always well and I am not into gadgets.

A Folder out in the field?

For what?

We carried fixed blades, no need for a folder in the field.
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I have to second what Ankerson is saying. I've posted similar things in other threads regarding what knives were used, and for what.

Folders? In the field? Naw, we didn't use them: there weren't any. Toward the end of my service, the Buck 110's were starting to show up, but very few people had one, and those that did only used them for a backup.

Multi tools? They didn't exist.

What we did have back then were the KA-BAR and the pilot's survival knife, and the regular grunts had bayonets. That's about all we had to use, and use them we did. We used them for important things like opening C-Rat cases or LURRP-rat's, opening other boxes/crates, prying whatever needed prying, digging small holes, etc. We really didn't care about knives back then: as long as there was one, we didn't much care what kind it was.

In nine years in the Corps, much of it in nasty places, I don't remember ever seeing anyone go gaga over a knife: they were simply tools.

As I said, I'm with Ankerson as far as folders in the field: use a real knife . . . a fixed blade.
 
dawsonbob said:
I have to second what Ankerson is saying. I've posted similar things in other threads regarding what knives were used, and for what.

Folders? In the field? Naw, we didn't use them: there weren't any. Toward the end of my service, the Buck 110's were starting to show up, but very few people had one, and those that did only used them for a backup.

Multi tools? They didn't exist.

What we did have back then were the KA-BAR and the pilot's survival knife, and the regular grunts had bayonets. That's about all we had to use, and use them we did. We used them for important things like opening C-Rat cases or LURRP-rat's, opening other boxes/crates, prying whatever needed prying, digging small holes, etc. We really didn't care about knives back then: as long as there was one, we didn't much care what kind it was.

In nine years in the Corps, much of it in nasty places, I don't remember ever seeing anyone go gaga over a knife: they were simply tools.

As I said, I'm with Ankerson as far as folders in the field: use a real knife . . . a fixed blade.
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Exactly. :D

Most of us carried K-Bars too and we used them for everything. :D

I would love to see someone do some of the things we used our K-Bars for with any folder, that would be funny to see. Abuse.... That was normal use for us. :D

Nasty places, yeah I hear you on that one, some of the worst places on the planet. :thumbup:

A knife is a tool IMO also, that means it got used for whatever it was needed for and I still think that way today. :)
 
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jiggyfly16 said:
IMO asking a knife for more than cutting is asking too much for such a single minded tool.
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effer said:
Tell this to soldiers.
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I wasn't talking about folders at that point. Why would one abuse a folder, if there is a fixed blade available?
My point is that knife can be a a lot more than "single minded tool"


dawsonbob said:
What we did have back then were the KA-BAR and the pilot's survival knife, and the regular grunts had bayonets. That's about all we had to use, and use them we did. We used them for important things like opening C-Rat cases or LURRP-rat's, opening other boxes/crates, prying whatever needed prying, digging small holes, etc. We really didn't care about knives back then: as long as there was one, we didn't much care what kind it was.
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Ankerson said:
Exactly. :D
Most of us carried K-Bars too and we used them for everything. :D
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Now, back to the folders ...

Ankerson said:
Hard use folders are for the times that you can't carry a fixed blade for whatever reason that could be.
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Exactly.
 
Ankerson said:
Exactly. :D

Most of us carried K-Bars too and we used them for everything. :D

I would love to see someone do some of the things we used our K-Bars for with any folder, that would be funny to see. Abuse.... That was normal use for us. :D

Nasty places, yeah I hear you on that one, some of the worst places on the planet. :thumbup:

A knife is a tool IMO also, that means it got used for whatever it was needed for and I still think that way today. :)
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I think that, for a lot of us, the ol' KA-BAR defined what a knife was, and like you, I'd just love to see someone even try to use a folder for the things we took for granted with a KA-BAR. Knife abuse? That's just another word for Marine. Nobody can find as many ways to abuse a knife as a Marine in the field.:D

Nasty places? What are Marines for: they're not going to send you to Aruba or Acapulco for vacation, that's for sure. I have it on good authority that the Commandant has an entire staff devoted to finding new levels of Hell.;)

Funny how those of us who spent our formative years, so to speak, in the Corps gained much of our thoughts about knives from exposure to things like the KA-BAR, and how it carries over to this day. To this day I would rather trust a BK-2 in the field than any — and I mean any — folder ever made. Don't get me wrong; there are folders that I like, I just wouldn't rely on them in the bush: they're just not the proper tool for the job.
 
dawsonbob said:
I think that, for a lot of us, the ol' KA-BAR defined what a knife was, and like you, I'd just love to see someone even try to use a folder for the things we took for granted with a KA-BAR. Knife abuse? That's just another word for Marine. Nobody can find as many ways to abuse a knife as a Marine in the field.:D

Nasty places? What are Marines for: they're not going to send you to Aruba or Acapulco for vacation, that's for sure. I have it on good authority that the Commandant has an entire staff devoted to finding new levels of Hell.;)

Funny how those of us who spent our formative years, so to speak, in the Corps gained much of our thoughts about knives from exposure to things like the KA-BAR, and how it carries over to this day. To this day I would rather trust a BK-2 in the field than any — and I mean any — folder ever made. Don't get me wrong; there are folders that I like, I just wouldn't rely on them in the bush: they're just not the proper tool for the job.
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Yeah we sure knew how to push the limits of just about anything. :D

Might be the reason why I like fixed blades so much, like my Busses. :)

Also the reason why I like what I call Hard Use folders, I like things that are tough.

If I can't carry a FB then I want a folder that can take a lot of abuse, one that I can count on. :thumbup:
 
Ankerson said:
Yeah we sure knew how to push the limits of just about anything. :D

Might be the reason why I like fixed blades so much, like my Busses. :)

Also the reason why I like what I call Hard Use folders, I like things that are tough.

If I can't carry a FB then I want a folder that can take a lot of abuse, one that I can count on. :thumbup:
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Yeah, I'm the same way. I like fixed blades, too. My paltry government pension doesn't allow for things like Busse's, so I stick to things like Beckers and ESEE. They may not be pretty, but they won't let me down.

I can't afford what I might consider hard use folders at the moment, so I buy things that are good value (to me) for the money. If Becker/KA-BAR ever get around to producing the Becker folder that I designed, I'll probably get a free one: that's definitely a hard use folder (kinda big though).:D

Yep. Tough and reliable are what count with me, too. I'm pretty basic when it comes to things I have to depend on.
 
dawsonbob said:
Yeah, I'm the same way. I like fixed blades, too. My paltry government pension doesn't allow for things like Busse's, so I stick to things like Beckers and ESEE. They may not be pretty, but they won't let me down.

I can't afford what I might consider hard use folders at the moment, so I buy things that are good value (to me) for the money. If Becker/KA-BAR ever get around to producing the Becker folder that I designed, I'll probably get a free one: that's definitely a hard use folder (kinda big though).:D

Yep. Tough and reliable are what count with me, too. I'm pretty basic when it comes to things I have to depend on.
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I am still waiting to see that folder produced. :D :thumbup:

I can understand that, EESE makes some great blades. :)
 
Ankerson said:
I am still waiting to see that folder produced. :D :thumbup:

I can understand that, EESE makes some great blades. :)
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A lot of people want to see that one produced . . . including me.:D

We'll just have to wait and see what happens, but it will be awhile.
 
Ankerson said:
Not sure about today as today is much different or so it seems than the way it used be some some odd reason. ;)

I wasn't in the Army though. ;)

I know when I was in the USMC back in the early to mid 80's we used the heck out of our knives almost all of us carried fixed blades. Used them for a lot more than opening MRE's I can tell you that. I didn't even know what an MRE was until I was in for 2 years, we still used the C-Rations.

I never would have needed a Multi-Tool either and can't even think how or why I would have ever used one or even perceived to need one for anything. Personally I think they are gadgets and always well and I am not into gadgets.

A Folder out in the field?

For what?

We carried fixed blades, no need for a folder in the field.
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Pork Shankerson, you kick ass!

Instead of buying a hard use folder buy something like a Boss Street and carry that. If it is illegal where you live, then move away, far away.

Or convince the asses who made your knife laws to change them. Make a petition or something.

Just my 2 cents.
 
effer said:
My point is that knife can be a a lot more than "single minded tool"
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A knife by definition is:

knife [naɪf]
n pl knives [naɪvz]
1. (Cookery) a cutting instrument consisting of a sharp-edged often pointed blade of metal fitted into a handle or onto a machine
2. (Military / Arms & Armour (excluding Firearms)) a similar instrument used as a weapon

so by definition a knife IS a "single minded tool".
 
jiggyfly16 said:
A knife by definition is:

knife [naɪf]
n pl knives [naɪvz]
1. (Cookery) a cutting instrument consisting of a sharp-edged often pointed blade of metal fitted into a handle or onto a machine
2. (Military / Arms & Armour (excluding Firearms)) a similar instrument used as a weapon

so by definition a knife IS a "single minded tool".
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Primarily it is used for cutting. But even in this definition there are at least two ways the knife is used (as a weapon): cutting and stabbing. That's not single minded at all. As I have said before, go tell a soldier that he can only cut with a knife, but shouldn't stab the enemy with it, because it goes against your beliefs. I'd like to hear the answer. While you at it, also tell him not to pry open the ammo boxes, not to dig with it and generally use it the way he needs it. This I'd like to watch.

It seems to me that you have stuck on the idea that if your slipjoint is good enough for you, it should be good enough for everybody else. That's not the way things work.

Edit: My buddy uses his phone just to call people. A month ago my friends daughter didn't use talk minutes at all, but somehow ended up with over two thousand text messages. My other friend doesn't wear a watch and uses his phone to get time. I use my phone for 10 other different things. Primarily it is still a tool for talking to other people. So what?
 
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effer said:
Primarily it is used for cutting. But even in this definition there are at least two ways the knife is used (as a weapon): cutting and stabbing. That's not single minded at all. As I have said before, go tell a soldier that he can only cut with a knife, but shouldn't stab the enemy with it, because it goes against your beliefs. I'd like to hear the answer. While you at it, also tell him not to pry open the ammo boxes, not to dig with it and generally use it the way he needs it. This I'd like to watch.

It seems to me that you have stuck on the idea that if your slipjoint is good enough for you, it should be good enough for everybody else. That's not the way things work.

Edit: My buddy uses his phone just to call people. A month ago my friends daughter didn't use talk minutes at all, but somehow ended up with over two thousand text messages. My other friend doesn't wear a watch and uses his phone to get time. I use my phone for 10 other different things. Primarily it is still a tool for talking to other people. So what?
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stabbing what? a soft target like meat, which is usually done to start a cut, is still related to cutting, and within the knife's normal limits. A hard target like the sidewalk? brick wall? concrete? steel plate?

I did, and he told me uses his rifle for killing the enemy, shovel to dig, and pry bar to pry with. He believes in using the right tool for the job, and so do I.

I said I SOMETIMES only carry a slipjoint, meaning usual EDC tasks that require a knife is usually for cutting, not prying open car doors, or opening manhole covers. When I go to work I usually carry my Endura 4 and I've NEVER had to use a knife for anything more than cutting, or cut related tasks. I know my knives' weaknesses and I work around it.

A phone was DESIGNED to be all those things and do those things WELL. it would be more relevant if you used it as a hammer and it survived. You can honestly tell me that a knife can be designed to pry as well as a pry bar, have the torque strength like a screwdriver, and still resemble, cut, and hold an edge like a regular knife? A knife can be whatever you want it to be, hell, lately it was even a rifle target. But was it designed to be all those things? Using the knife outside of what it was designed for that can damage the knife is called abuse by some. And most knife warranties don't cover abuse except a select few.
 
jiggyfly16 said:
A knife by definition is:

knife [naɪf]
n pl knives [naɪvz]
1. (Cookery) a cutting instrument consisting of a sharp-edged often pointed blade of metal fitted into a handle or onto a machine
2. (Military / Arms & Armour (excluding Firearms)) a similar instrument used as a weapon

so by definition a knife IS a "single minded tool".
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Ok so on the opposite end of the spectrum what material are you cutting that say, a ZT 300 can't cut?
 
singularity35 said:
Well. we all know it can't but what material can't it separate well enough to not be called a knife?
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it really depends on what is your definition of "separate well enough to not be called a knife"

I have a regular saber ground endura 4 and I hate the way it cuts through tomato, cardboard, spam, cheese, anything that binds the blade.


singularity35 said:
That's actually a retarded answer to the question posed.;)
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I know :D
 
jiggyfly16 said:
it really depends on what is your definition of "separate well enough to not be called a knife"
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Even a dull knife is still a knife by definition.

jiggyfly16 said:
I have a regular saber ground endura 4 and I hate the way it cuts through tomato, cardboard, spam, cheese, anything that binds the blade.
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it's not about "hating". After the SG has cut the tomato, spam, cheese, are they now in they in the proper size? is the cardboard still in one piece? It's about accomplishing the tasks, however it is to be accomplished. ;)

Do you actually mean that the SG endura is not a knife based on how it cuts cheese, spam, tomatoes, and cardboard?
 
singularity35 said:
Even a dull knife is still a knife by definition.


it's not about "hating". After the SG has cut the tomato, spam, cheese, are they now in they in the proper size? is the cardboard still in one piece? It's about accomplishing the tasks, however it is to be accomplished. ;)

Do you actually mean that the SG endura is not a knife based on how it cuts cheese, spam, tomatoes, and cardboard?
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slice some free hanging TP

whittle some hair

dry shaving your whole face well.

:p

how did in my whole post did you misconstrue that my knife is not a knife?:confused:

EDIT: add cutting moist egg carton.
 
Micro-Bevel said:
Pork Shankerson, you kick ass!

Instead of buying a hard use folder buy something like a Boss Street and carry that. If it is illegal where you live, then move away, far away.

Or convince the asses who made your knife laws to change them. Make a petition or something.

Just my 2 cents.
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I already have a Boss Street, had one of the 1st ones here on BF. :thumbup:
 
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