Hard Use Folder?

[TheCarbideRat]

Where did you go to charm school bud?

 

[Ankerson]

Where did you go to charm school bud?

Don't have too, this is a hard use knife thread and I haven't seen any knives that have been used hard AT ALL.

We all have safe queens me included, but this is different.

 

[J.Mattson]

How about some photos of all these hard use knives that have been really used hard and SHOW IT instead if looking like they have lived in a drawer.

How can people recommend a knife for hard use and never used it that way is beyond me.....

I won't hold my breath on that one.

OMG!!!!! Here are photos of a knife that has been used for over 5 years and used hard..... Notice it has wear on the blade and handle...wear marks, yeah that's what they look like..... OMG!!!!!!!

Man what’s with all the shouting?

The knives in the pics don’t look like they’ve been used hard because in most cases they haven’t been (YET). A lot of us take our pictures when the knife is new and shiny.

On the other hand G10 does a great job of resisting scratching. A knife can be years old and the G10 still looks very good. Then what if the person likes nice looking blades can uses a can of metal polish to get rid of the marks every once and awhile.

All that being said I like knives that look well used and you’ve got a nice looking one.

 

[Ankerson]

Man what’s with all the shouting?

The knives in the pics don’t look like they’ve been used hard because in most cases they haven’t been (YET). A lot of us take our pictures when the knife is new and shiny.

On the other hand G10 does a great job of resisting scratching. A knife can be years old and the G10 still looks very good. Then what if the person likes nice looking blades can uses a can of metal polish to get rid of the marks every once and awhile.

All that being said I like knives that look well used and you’ve got a nice looking one.

I just get tired of some recommending knives for certain things and have no experience with them in that role. You can tell if a knife has been used or not, polishing the blade or not it won't take all the scratches out.

A knife that is really used will look used.

 

[J.Mattson]

I just get tired of some recommending knives for certain things and have no experience with them in that role. You can tell if a knife has been used or not, polishing the blade or not it won't take all the scratches out.

A knife that is really used will look used.

Again like I said most people will photograph a knife when its new. Many people don’t have one hard use knife, they’ve got 5, or 10 this spreads the wear and scratches out a ton. I know that if I combined all the wear of the knives in my edc rotation into one blade, it would look like it got ran over.

 

[Ankerson]

Again like I said most people will photograph a knife when its new. Many people don’t have one hard use knife, they’ve got 5, or 10 this spreads the wear and scratches out a ton. I know that if I combined all the wear of the knives in my edc rotation into one blade, it would look like it got ran over.

I have 5 of them myself that I rotate out (3 are SD blades that are not EDC use), but I mostly use that Recon 1 when I am going to be in the field camping, hiking and I take a fixed blade too most of the time.

So yeah it gets beat on very hard I can tell you.

Here it is next to a new style Recon 1, and it's new, not used at all yet.

 

[TheCarbideRat]

Happy now?

 

[Ankerson]

Happy now?

Yeah, that's what I am talking about. :thumbup:

Now if I saw more of that instead of the other in this thread it would have ment more.

Hard use thread, no safe queens allowed, used knives only.

It means one heck of a lot more when recommending a knife when it's really been used and posting photos of it.

 

[TheCarbideRat]

The ER is one tuff sumbitch mates.

 

[Ankerson]

The ER is one tuff sumbitch mates.

Yep.

I just saw too many knives being recommended that I KNOW wouldn't last 15 mins with me out in the field the way I use knives and they were being recommended as hard use knives.

That's why I had to post what I did.

 

[Quapaw]

I have to opine in here for a Cold Steel also. I can't speak for Emersons cause I hate chisel grinds. Working in industrial maintenance, I abuse the crap out of my knives. The only ones that hold up are Cold Steel, specifically large & medium Voyagers. Using Channelocks to baton through 3/8" UHMW tends to destroy folders. Not my Cold Steels, though.

 

[Ankerson]

I have to opine in here for a Cold Steel also. I can't speak for Emersons cause I hate chisel grinds. Working in industrial maintenance, I abuse the crap out of my knives. The only ones that hold up are Cold Steel, specifically large & medium Voyagers. Using Channelocks to baton through 3/8" UHMW tends to destroy folders. Not my Cold Steels, though.

The blades on the Voyagers are very tough. :thumbup:

 

[TheCarbideRat]

I understand your premise. It's one thing to have a strong knife but it's another thing entirely to use it. I agree. I have a fetish for destruction tests, and I mean really destroying, not pushing an envelope a bit. Like how much pressure from a hydraulic ram could X and Y and Z knife stand? I plan on having some titanium liners made for my ER MPC just for the hell of it.

 

[Ankerson]

I understand your premise. It's one thing to have a strong knife but it's another thing entirely to use it. I agree. I have a fetish for destruction tests, and I mean really destroying, not pushing an envelope a bit. Like how much pressure from a hydraulic ram could X and Y and Z knife stand? I plan on having some titanium liners made for my ER MPC just for the hell of it.

I have owned so many knives over the years (Well over 100) and broke most of them that I pretty much can tell what will last and what won't just by looking at it. On folders most will loosen up very quickly under hard use and or the locks will give out. And if you really beat on them hard the blades of a lot of them will shatter like glass. There are very few folding knives that can really take abuse.

The Recon 1 is one Tough SOB I can tell you.

 

[J.Mattson]

I understand your premise. It's one thing to have a strong knife but it's another thing entirely to use it. I agree. I have a fetish for destruction tests, and I mean really destroying, not pushing an envelope a bit. Like how much pressure from a hydraulic ram could X and Y and Z knife stand? I plan on having some titanium liners made for my ER MPC just for the hell of it.

Destruction tests are cool but the conditions are difficult to control. Cars are crashed tested but look at how much work goes into isolating the variables involved.

 

[Ankerson]

Destruction tests are cool but the conditions are difficult to control. Cars are crashed tested but look at how much work goes into isolating the variables involved.

You can break most folding knives by simply locking them in a vise and slapping them sideways with your hand. That is like using them to pry some thing, what a hard use folder should be able to do easy. I have snapped a lot of knives in the field using them.

 

[TheCarbideRat]

I have to opine in here for a Cold Steel also. I can't speak for Emersons cause I hate chisel grinds. Working in industrial maintenance, I abuse the crap out of my knives. The only ones that hold up are Cold Steel, specifically large & medium Voyagers. Using Channelocks to baton through 3/8" UHMW tends to destroy folders. Not my Cold Steels, though.

What other knives have you tried?

 

[J.Mattson]

You can break most folding knives by simply locking them in a vise and slapping them sideways with your hand.

Sure I can. But I’m endued with supper human strength. I like to think that I’m something like a god among men.

 

[Ankerson]

Sure I can. But I’m endued with supper human strength. I like to think that I’m something like a god among men.

Oh yeah. :thumbup:

 

[TheCarbideRat]

ER Fulcrum vs. Strider

They said the ER broke first, and by a slim margin but of COURSE they didn't
engage the secondary on the ER lock first.
The tip shown broken was the Striders, it popped at 85 bar, that's 1,250 lbs.!!

In the second image the Fulcrum "relaesed its blade at 70 bar" the Striders linerlock failed at 80.
In the 3rd the ER did not fail at 80. The "other" little knife did.