Hartsfield?

i don't think anyone is being ripped off. but i don't see $3700 in those knives, either in the time it takes to make one or in the cost of materials. if you have $3700 burning a hole in your pocket and really want one go for it. i checked out some of his knives at the solvang show and even talked to phill. i'm kind of shocked by the price tag. a hartsfield fan i met at the show told me phill had lowered his prices due to the slowing economy.
 
ok..but fuck that and the koolaid it swam in on:barf:

9500 for a..and please tell me it's not chisel ground, katana?????

I can buy a superlative katana from Rick Barrett, in full mounting for that or less. Hell, I can buy one HELLUVA antique nihonto for 9500( an it will hold it's value )
 
Wow, this Hartsfield Thread has exploded farther and faster than any other one i have ever read! GO GO GO!!!!! :D


DAMN...now I have to go to class. boohoo :( Maybe it will hit 250 posts by tonight!
 
TJL said:
You just have to do what I did and go out and spend thousands of dollars on all of the pretty knives, realize that they leave you unfulfilled, and then come to see the beauty in simplicity and pure function. It may surprise you some day.
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Simplicity in pure function is fine , I am all for that , but it doesn't have to appear crudely finished either.
Kudos to him for what he gets for his knives , he must be doing something right.

Diff strokes for diff folks , doesn't make you right or me wrong , just a different perspective on perceived dollar value. What I can't agree with is someone justifying that knives of the same price value can vary so vastly in fit & finish. When I see a knife with what appears to be 120 grit (or worse ) scratched running lengthwise on the flats , to me that doesn't indicate quality.

I have to agree though , the overall market is soft right now , could be the time where if someone has some $$ socked away , and can buy now and weather the economy out , they could potentially resell and make a decent profit later.

Me , I could care less about resale value. I buy what I like , use it , and live with it.
 
You just have to do what I did and go out and spend thousands of dollars on all of the pretty knives, realize that they leave you unfulfilled, and then come to see the beauty in simplicity and pure function. It may surprise you some day.
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That does make me feel better about my pet rock collection.
 
martinr said:
i don't think anyone is being ripped off. but i don't see $3700 in those knives, either in the time it takes to make one or in the cost of materials. if you have $3700 burning a hole in your pocket and really want one go for it. i checked out some of his knives at the solvang show and even talked to phill. i'm kind of shocked by the price tag. a hartsfield fan i met at the show told me phill had lowered his prices due to the slowing economy.
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Phill raised them for minute,, but then had to reconsider the sky high pricing. That was probably me who told you that at the show. While standing in line, right?
 
John T Wylie Jr said:
Simplicity in pure function is fine , I am all for that , but it doesn't have to appear crudely finished either.
Kudos to him for what he gets for his knives , he must be doing something right.

Diff strokes for diff folks , doesn't make you right or me wrong , just a different perspective on perceived dollar value. What I can't agree with is someone justifying that knives of the same price value can vary so vastly in fit & finish. When I see a knife with what appears to be 120 grit (or worse ) scratched running lengthwise on the flats , to me that doesn't indicate quality.

I have to agree though , the overall market is soft right now , could be the time where if someone has some $$ socked away , and can buy now and weather the economy out , they could potentially resell and make a decent profit later.

Me , I could care less about resale value. I buy what I like , use it , and live with it.
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I think that is the best thing that has been said all day. Just buy what you like!
 
SShepherd said:
ok..but fuck that and the koolaid it swam in on:barf:

9500 for a..and please tell me it's not chisel ground, katana?????

I can buy a superlative katana from Rick Barrett, in full mounting for that or less. Hell, I can buy one HELLUVA antique nihonto for 9500( an it will hold it's value )
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No, not chisel ground...unless you want that old style edge. I know, I know, there are a lot of nice pieces out there for less, but Phill gets what he gets. He charges an arm and a leg for anything with a hamon.
The problem with most of the antique swords is that Phill's sword will literally cut them in half. It depends on whether you want a virtually indestructible katana, or a national treasure.
 
TJL said:
Phill raised them for minute,, but then had to reconsider the sky high pricing. That was probably me who told you that at the show. While standing in line, right?
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how could it not be you? you seem to be the only fan left.
 
Phill's sword will literally cut them in half.
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Videotape it and put it on YouTube , cause this I have to see...literally.
I can see the points you are trying to make , you would do yourself more justice if you didn't use the ColdSteel type hyping.
 
John T Wylie Jr said:
Videotape it and put it on YouTube , cause this I have to see...literally.
I can see the points you are trying to make , you would do yourself more justice if you didn't use the ColdSteel type hyping.
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It might really be true....but not because of what you might think...steel both age hardens and work hardens, which means that more than a few antique nihonto have potential fault areas in them...that is very specifically the reason why I will not use antiques in cutting....the steel may be EXCEPTIONALLY good for use....but it may also have hidden problem areas, and I don't want to be responsible for destroying a possibly valuable and important sword with a blown cut.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Kohai999 said:
It might really be true....but not because of what you might think...steel both age hardens and work hardens, which means that more than a few antique nihonto have potential fault areas in them...that is very specifically the reason why I will not use antiques in cutting....the steel may be EXCEPTIONALLY good for use....but it may also have hidden problem areas, and I don't want to be responsible for destroying a possibly valuable and important sword with a blown cut.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Thanks for the support on this subject Steve. Old blades are unpredictable and can do exactly what you say.
 
severedthumbs said:
i still think it might break the old sword before it would actually cut it in half.
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Oh, sure, but it may leave a good 1/4" deep or more groove in it. The Hartsfield may not have significant damage after the cut, and THAT is the important thing. I do know from experience that a Hartsfield will shave steel. Phill told me a story about how a client made a poor cut through a mat, and hit the metal stand by mistake. The blade was fine, but the stand had a big cut in it where the metal was shaved away. I tried it one day with a Strongboy and a hammer. It did exactly what Phill said it would do, and other than some slight scratching of the surface of the blade, the edge held up fine with no chips or deformation. It was the hammer where I used it to slam the blade into the chromoly tube that left the most damage, and that was minimal.
 
John T Wylie Jr said:
Videotape it and put it on YouTube , cause this I have to see...literally.
I can see the points you are trying to make , you would do yourself more justice if you didn't use the ColdSteel type hyping.
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Bring me your $10,000.00 katana and a video camera, and let's give it a try.:)
 
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