Has anyone had any major problems with SOG?

thats what i thought the people on the spyderco official site forums are not too happy about benchmade copying spydercos signature style... i see it as using a good idea but you can say the same about many things sogs arc lock and benchmades axis for example.. kershaws speedsafe and benchmades nitrous not to mention a ton of others i will say it again is it really copying ? or merely building off a good idea? i mean if there was only Ipod and nothing else or only motorola cell phones and nothing else... life would be boring and its nice to see another companies take on something and maybe even improve upon it :) my 2cents



edit within patent limits of course but how do you patent a hole in a kinfe?
 
furfmonkey said:
thats what i thought the people on the spyderco official site forums are not too happy about benchmade copying spydercos signature style... i see it as using a good idea but you can say the same about many things sogs arc lock and benchmades axis for example.. kershaws speedsafe and benchmades nitrous not to mention a ton of others i will say it again is it really copying ? or merely building off a good idea? i mean if there was only Ipod and nothing else or only motorola cell phones and nothing else... life would be boring and its nice to see another companies take on something and maybe even improve upon it :) my 2cents



edit within patent limits of course but how do you patent a hole in a kinfe?
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Benchmade licenses the Arc lock to SOG and it licensed the Ultra lock to Cold Steel when they used it. Spyderco did have a patent on the opening hole. They introduced one hand opening to the entire knife industry (or at least popularized it). It provided a function that no one else had at the time. Why wouldn't someone be able to patent that?
 
oh yeah im aware just saying unless its blatant other than customers complaining the govt wont get involved and if they "use" an idea and improve i dont see the issue
 
furfmonkey said:
not to be argumentative but not liking where a company brands their logos is not a MAJOR problem a major problem would be a defect or critical failure. I dont like the big gaping hole in my spyderco knives but would never say it makes the knives fail or weak .. i just dont like them aesthetically ...If you dont like the branding fine... dont bash a company based on where they choose to put their name.. i know someone who wont buy benchmade because they dont like butterflies..
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That's all very well and good, however when the branding compromises the structural integrity of the blade, we have an issue... How many people have you heard of who have had their knife break at the spyderhole? Whereas simply looking up two separate review/discussions elsewhere on the internet for the SOG throwing knives, left me with these quotes...

[IThrow87]: "I had these for maybe 2 weeks throwing quite a bit, daily, i broke 2 in one day then the last one the day after, all broke right in the same place, right where the handle meets the blade at the end of the G"

[Chuck]: "I have been a SOG advocate for the past 4 years. I'm in the military and I have a few of their fixed blades and folders. I bought 2 of these three packs to pass the time. I was pleased with the weight, some what aggressive design, and how easily the blade sharpened. When I took the blades to the backstop the first knife stuck the first time. I was thrilled. I continued to throw and after the 25th or 30th throw I heard an ear piercing "CLANG". The point stuck but the handle snapped right off where the letter "G" is on the oversized logo on the back end of the knife. I wasn't throwing hard or putting extra "umph" into the toss. Just a regular throw at about 12 to 15 feet from the back stop. I now use them for everyday tasks like cutting cardboard, rope, opening packages, and other chores I don't want to damage my good blades on. The material used to make the blade sharpens really well."

[ALMYCorporations]: "These knives are not worth buying. After extensive throwing, two out of the three knives broke into two. Need I remind you, I was only throwing at a piece of wood that is about 3/4 inch thick. one knife broke at the "G" cutout nd the other snapped at the base of the blade"

[nodepointoptimizer]: "Agreed with ALMYcorp. I just broke my last of the three. I split the first two at the G within a week of buying them and broke the tip off the third today. Not worth it. Buy something high carbon, big, and heavy. these are good when they stick, but small and more novelties than actual throwing knives."

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Seriously people, don't give a guy such a hard time for having his knife break from throwing, when not even their knives ADVERTISED for the purpose can stand up to it... I'm happy for anyone who owns good quality SOG knives, and has had good experiences with the company. However their company attitude about what's permissible just rubs me the wrong way.
 
i dont know that I or anyone here gave anyone a hard time.... also i dont recall anyone giving a specific instance or pics where the branding caused a failure or defect...if they did please refresh my memory..

also you said

Seriously people, don't give a guy such a hard time for having his knife break from throwing, when not even their knives ADVERTISED for the purpose can stand up to it... I'm happy for anyone who owns good quality SOG knives, and has had good experiences with the company. However their company attitude about what's permissible just rubs me the wrong way.
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first off if a tool (a knife is a tool) says dont do something and you break it thats on you i didnt see any bashing or hard time merely what i stated was basically"what did you expect would happen?"
if i took my sebenza and started chucking it into a tree (who knows how hard or how many times i missed striking edges back etc) and then it broke i would not go on a forum post a pic of my broke sebenza... i broke an emerson using it as a prybar but i would never post a pic of it here where it can influence people not to buy their products ..
ive also broken plenty of knife chucking them into wood and messing around ..again.. i would not post pics you cant say that people (unless they read the entire thread) are not gonna see the thread title then the first pic and go "SOG's are crap im gonna jump on the SOG knives suck bandwagon" judging from the plethora of positive reviews and good experiences with customer service here in this thread id say they have the same batting average as most companies Maybe its because im a police officer and im used to having to prove my cases beyond a reasonable doubt or that i dont usually say something unless i am 100% sure i am correct or can prove it...

like i said any knife maker can make a few bad knives defects not sharp etc 99.9% of the time these are remedied by customer service do we need posts about them? i dont think so .... you can easily say the same about benchmade emerson spyderco etc about not sharp blade wobble etc..

If you dont like SOG because of their way of selling knives or their handle material or how they mimic other companies technology thats fine but i usually go by the rule "If you dont have something nice to say, don't say anything at all" there are several knife companies i dont like at all and think they make sub standard products ...but im not going to go out of my way to make a forum post to tell people.. just not very classy IMO


anyway s I like SOG knives never had a problem with customer service and if people have i feel for them ... sorry for the long post guys
 
The latter wasn't so much aimed at you in particular, mostly the fact that the dedicated throwers broke just struck me as an amusing anecdote...

My quotes were from a knife sales website, and youtube page. I didn't think that they needed to be from this thread in particular to be valid. However it's all good. Nothing personal meant friend.

Emerson's are advertised to be tough, and if I'm paying for durability, I wouldn't expect one to snap so easily, I'm sorry that yours broke. =\ On the one I'd owned, the closing detent was practically non-existent, which put me off of Emersons, but other people like them well enough...

I prefer to hear the negatives about a company first, so that I can have an idea of what the worst case scenario would be for a defective product if I happen to recieve one. I own a few defective fit & finish knives that I still carry, just because I like the design, and don't feel like paying for the double shipping cost + loss of knife use. However I knew the potential worst case scenarios before buying them, from hearing people's complaints, so I was still satisfied with the purchase...

I'm glad to hear that your SOG blades have served you well. :thumbup:
 
onimusha said:
The latter wasn't so much aimed at you in particular, mostly the fact that the dedicated throwers broke just struck me as an amusing anecdote...

My quotes were from a knife sales website, and youtube page. I didn't think that they needed to be from this thread in particular to be valid. However it's all good. Nothing personal meant friend.

Emerson's are advertised to be tough, and if I'm paying for durability, I wouldn't expect one to snap so easily, I'm sorry that yours broke. =\ On the one I'd owned, the closing detent was practically non-existent, which put me off of Emersons, but other people like them well enough...

I prefer to hear the negatives about a company first, so that I can have an idea of what the worst case scenario would be for a defective product if I happen to recieve one. I own a few defective fit & finish knives that I still carry, just because I like the design, and don't feel like paying for the double shipping cost + loss of knife use. However I knew the potential worst case scenarios before buying them, from hearing people's complaints, so I was still satisfied with the purchase...

I'm glad to hear that your SOG blades have served you well. :thumbup:
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when i broke the emerson i was batoning it so it was my fault (reason i would never complain) i guess not everyone has 200+knives so i dont mind sending a few out to be sharpened here and there... i just dislike when a decent company gets a bad name when people have plenty of ways to remedy the situation through repair or replacement... if as blades loos or dull i simply mail it back and usually get satisfaction or a replacement :)
 
Just to state as the OP, I wasn't trying to start a thread just to bash Sog, I just wanted more to know if
People had had bad experiences with the two I was thinking of buying the NW Ranger And the Tsunami.
 
SOG bashing is somewhat of a given on this forum. That being said,
my Visionary II in V10 is as sharp as any production knife I've ever had,
had no blade play, and has a rock-solid ARC lock. The lock is not as
smooth as an Axis, but at $90 this was a quality buy for me.
 
furfmonkey said:
just running through your post i see the sheath was replaced :)
Is AUS_6 supposed to be rustproof or highly rust resistant? also where is the knife kept(environment) or did SOG claim it was rust resistant??
did you send the SOG flash II back for replacement or repair? and if not why?
No clue who frazer is but i dont like people in stores who favor one knife over another or brand whores
I carry a seal pup on duty almost everyday along with my trident in NYPD and i love it :)
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My sheath was replaced with a nylon sheath where the outer pocket wasn't sewn on completely and the plastic blade insert fell out. The 3rd sheath was a multi postion sheath. Works well. My Magnadot stained with EDC use where as my other 2 SOG EDC's did not. It was so bad I gave it away. :(
I sent the Flash in for repair and it came back with extreme vertical play and would not stay locked open. I threw that one away.:o
 
I own the sog nw ranger. It is okay. Honestly though most of the people on here are right. Basically Sog is okay. And I know some guys that used a SOG knife a whole tour in Afghanistan with no problems. My opinion: SOG is waaay overrated.
 
dont get me wrong benchmade and emerson probably spyderco i would consider better but certain models are just fine if not great.. and if you have a customer service issue just return it to be fixed
 
I have six SOG Arc-lock, VG10 steel, made in Seki City Japan knives and they have all been great. The Trident is assembled in the U.S. but the parts come from ??? but that one has been fine as well.
 
I had an unhappy experience with poor SOG customer "service". However, I own both the Tsunami and NW Ranger. In my view, they are both excellent knives.:thumbup:
 
I own a Twitch II and a PowerLock.

The Twitch II has a little blade play. I only use it for light duty tasks, so it's not too noticeable, but it's there.

I carry the PowerLock a decent amount and like it quite a bit, no complaints.
 
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