hatchet vs. very large knife?

But as you could use vise grips to tighten or loosen your hose threads, so could a knife help carve a hatchet haft.

It’s all circular…

Parker
 
Well, it was between Winkler and RMJ. I love both but the Winkler is a little bit more up my alley. I don’t much about hawks, but I think I made an OK choice. I guess a better way of putting it is, the Winkler is a nice combination of “tactical” and traditional IMO.
I like to have a hatchet/hawk to have a butt I can use for hammering different things from nails to wedges, but if I was looking for one with a spike- your choice would be at the top of the list. I hope you really like it.
 
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I can’t imagine felling a 3”-4” tree with a knife. But a hatchet, or machete even makes quick work of it. Not just chopping it down, but limbing it. If you need a pole for a shelter, or to pry a car out of a ditch or whatever, having a hatchet is the only reasonable way. Sure you can make do with a knife if you have no other choice. Having both is much better!
 
I know the hatchet would all around be better for chopping, but would a full tang, large knife do the job as well? I have a Cold Steel Survivalist, which is just a solid piece of 52100 with a 8'' blade. It's a heavy knife so it's been good for chopping wood and I was able to baton with it just fine thanks to the full tang and long blade.

So should I just stick to this or would it be wiser to invest in a hatchet, and if yes do you have any to suggest?
This is going to completely depend on the intended application, size and weight constraints, location, and your own ability. For example, I'm a seasoned backpacker and as such I spend a great deal of my life in the mountains and in the wood. When I'm out backpacking, i'm very concerned with being as lightweight as possible without sacrificing too much comfort because I am generally on trail for several days. When I make camp, I always have a fire when permitted, but I don't forus my energy on building anything that would require big lumber to sustain. So, I generally bring something like a Mora knife with me for processing small quarter inch pieces of wood and to make shavings for tinder. If I'm doing something like making a base camp and then day hiking from there only to return later that night, I'm more likely to bring a saw. As you can imagine, my lightweight backpacking system is going to look very different when I'm car camping or just tramping around in the wood practicing building a shelter or something. In those cases, you will likely see me with an axe, a hatchet, large knife, and a saw!

I suppose I should also respond to your questions about practical function and performance. Although there is some overlapping, large knives and hatchets are going to aid in different ways depending on the task. Can you use a large knife to baton through a log? Probably if said log isn't too hard, too soft, or too knotty. Generally speaking, a large knife will probably perform most tasks you have for chopping and splitting but will it work as well as a hatchet for splitting logs, likely no. You're just not going to be able to process wood as quickly or as smoothly with a large knife v. a hatch if the wood you're trying to process is "large." And as you might suspect, the opposite is true for hatchets with respect to task performance. Can you use a hatchet to make a feather stick or clear away some brush off of standing trees? Probably. But will it perform as well as a large knife, or even a small knife, in many of those cases? Probably not.
 
I've cut down many trees in my life and i love axes...but i prefer this duo for the weight savings when i'm hiking. Bought a replacement blade for a 30cm Gomtaro from Silky and wrapped the handle with paracord. Made a sheath with the plastic packaging it comes in and wrapped it with some tape.
The Skrama knife is a great tool for splitting logs.

I had a Bahco laplander but never used it since i found Silky saws ten years ago. They cut much better and stay sharp longer.

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^ weight savings, how much do those weigh with the skrama's (240?) sheath and garden hose (or whatever you use to cover the bare silky blade). Intresting concept to just use the replacement blade, I hadn't thought of that, that must be for weight savings as well? because the cost difference is negligable between the replacement and the full Gomtaro with the advantage of comfort going to the full handle.
 
^ weight savings, how much do those weigh with the skrama's (240?) sheath and garden hose (or whatever you use to cover the bare silky blade). Intresting concept to just use the replacement blade, I hadn't thought of that, that must be for weight savings as well? because the cost difference is negligable between the replacement and the full Gomtaro with the advantage of comfort going to the full handle.
The Skrama 240 weighs 525g/18.5oz without sheath (i got both, plastic and leather sheath) and the Silky weighs 75g/2.5oz..sheath weighs less than 30g/1.05oz.

Yes, the big benefit is weight and space savings. Handle is quite comfortable with only paracord.
 
The Skrama 240 weighs 525g/18.5oz without sheath (i got both, plastic and leather sheath) and the Silky weighs 75g/2.5oz..sheath weighs less than 30g/1.05oz.

Yes, the big benefit is weight and space savings. Handle is quite comfortable with only paracord.
you may have just converted me
 
I just recently got a Scrapyard Dirty Trick-12 that looks like a great size and weight to do some work on overhanging limbs, limbing fallen trees, and chopping smaller trees. I like using axes, hatchets, mauls, machetes, hand and chain saws, loppers- whatever is easiest and safest for the situation, so I prefer variety. My ATV front basket has holders for a machete, chainsaw and loppers. Another chainsaw usually rides up front, and a short axe or hatchet along with a silky big boy and shovel and pick ride in the back basket. The right tool for the right job (if possible).
 
I just recently got a Scrapyard Dirty Trick-12 that looks like a great size and weight to do some work on overhanging limbs, limbing fallen trees, and chopping smaller trees. I like using axes, hatchets, mauls, machetes, hand and chain saws, loppers- whatever is easiest and safest for the situation, so I prefer variety. My ATV front basket has holders for a machete, chainsaw and loppers. Another chainsaw usually rides up front, and a short axe or hatchet along with a silky big boy and shovel and pick ride in the back basket. The right tool for the right job (if possible).


Honestly, I'm not gonna' feel arrogant or braggadocious when I post that the DT-12 will handle WHATEVER you can throw at it. My ESEE Junglas felt completely abandoned when I threw the DT-12 in my truck box and didn't look back.

This is cross-posted from one of the Busse threads...











I've beaten this ^^^ big knife ATROCIOUSLY, with absolutely no regrets or concerns.
 
Got this baby a couple days ago; very expensive but it’s an absolute tank; made in Italy, full tang, 8 inch blade, n690 at 58 hrc and 0.23 thickness. Handle is a super comfortable and rugged forprene. Absolutely love this thing.
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Honestly, I'm not gonna' feel arrogant or braggadocious when I post that the DT-12 will handle WHATEVER you can throw at it. My ESEE Junglas felt completely abandoned when I threw the DT-12 in my truck box and didn't look back.

This is cross-posted from one of the Busse threads...











I've beaten this ^^^ big knife ATROCIOUSLY, with absolutely no regrets or concerns.
Maybe I need to use mine more???
I think I swung it for 30 seconds. Before giving up.
Everyone likes them, but me....idk why?
I measured mine, and it's just shy of 1/16" bte. Yikes!

I bought one without the paint.
I taped up my handle too for more comfort.
It just sits in a bucket like a turd.


I like how used yours looks. Looks like a real workout you're given her!
 
Maybe I need to use mine more???...


This ^^^ would be the answer, right here.

...as well as spending some time putting a "useful" edge on it, as I did. (*Most of the "factory" edges, on my Busses, have absolutely sucked)



My DT-12 replaced my Junglas, as my "under-box" knife, in my big/bad Ram 4X4 3500 C&C, "Big Sid Vicious"...







Both "Big Sid", and the DT-12, have been used like $2 hookers.
 
This ^^^ would be the answer, right here.

...as well as spending some time putting a "useful" edge on it, as I did. (*Most of the "factory" edges, on my Busses, have absolutely sucked)



My DT-12 replaced my Junglas, as my "under-box" knife, in my big/bad Ram 4X4 3500 C&C, "Big Sid Vicious"...







Both "Big Sid", and the DT-12, have been used like $2 hookers.
Not sure if I wanted to keep it, I didn't want to ruin its "resale value"

About how much did you grind off?

I like edges Way thinner
 
Not sure if I wanted to keep it, I didn't want to ruin its "resale value"

About how much did you grind off?

I like edges Way thinner


I get that. If I were pretty set on dumping it, I wouldn't bang it up either. (*Hell, I couldn't get $10 for mine because it looks like five pounds of sh!+ in a one-pound bag)


I don't really know how much I took off of mine. However, I reckon I've probably got it down to a "V" edge at about 20 DPS. It's really not the undertaking that you might think. While many of the edges on my Busse blades are convexed like a bowling ball, this particular blade is pretty tall and a "full flat". So, it's not really all that bad to get it down to a nice reasonable edge.
 
I can’t imagine felling a 3”-4” tree with a knife.
With a BIG knife it’s super easy.

I’ve gone through much larger diameter logs with my Siegle chopper and due to the amazing handle ergonomics and thin edge grind, I found that it actually chops more efficiently than my H&B Boys Hawk of the same weight (18oz).

This would likely change with a lanyard and a thinner grind on the hawk. As they came from the shop, however, this big knife is my best small chopper.

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With a BIG knife it’s super easy.

I’ve gone through much larger diameter logs with my Siegle chopper and due to the amazing handle ergonomics and thin edge grind, I found that it actually chops more efficiently than my H&B Boys Hawk of the same weight (18oz).

This would likely change with a lanyard and a thinner grind on the hawk. As they came from the shop, however, this big knife is my best small chopper.

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That is some might impressive chopping.

I wonder what the time difference would be from a head to head comparison on the same log between that an a hatchet.
 
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