Have you considered police checkpoints?

My personal feeling, if i were a betting man, during a large scale disaster, is that it will turn into Mud, total chaos.
We will be road-blocked by ourselves, panic, fear, and tons of sheeple not knowing where they are trying to go, being herded here and there.

The thin-blue-line will be stretched so far you will be lucky to find an officer even if you need them.

If I had to plan for such an occurence, I would plan more on pandemonium, chaos, lack-of-direction, than police state and roadblocks.

If there are roablocks and Checkpoints, then that means they still have some measure of control over the situation, that should actually be more comforting.
It's the 24 to 72 hours during the aftermath, where there is NO control, that is the worrisome part of any large scale "disaster scenario".

That's why being prepared and staying put, will, in most cases, be the most prudent thing to do.

The movies of the md-20th century have us brain-washed that we are going to be running away from Godzilla or Martians. and Zombies, don't forget Zombies. :eek:
 
SkunkWerX said:
My personal feeling, if i were a betting man, during a large scale disaster, is that it will turn into Mud, total chaos.
We will be road-blocked by ourselves, panic, fear, and tons of sheeple not knowing where they are trying to go, being herded here and there.

The thin-blue-line will be stretched so far you will be lucky to find an officer even if you need them.

If I had to plan for such an occurence, I would plan more on pandemonium, chaos, lack-of-direction, than police state and roadblocks.

If there are roablocks and Checkpoints, then that means they still have some measure of control over the situation, that should actually be more comforting.
It's the 24 to 72 hours during the aftermath, where there is NO control, that is the worrisome part of any large scale "disaster scenario".

That's why being prepared and staying put, will, in most cases, be the most prudent thing to do.

The movies of the md-20th century have us brain-washed that we are going to be running away from Godzilla or Martians. and Zombies, don't forget Zombies. :eek:
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Zombies are never to be dismissed! :cool:

http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/worldwarz/
 
Sgt. Art said:
Be the grey man. If you evacuation from a disaster area and your in your como vehicle with your tac vest and ammo cans all over your vehicle you can pretty much count on attracting attention of LE. Low profile is always the best approach. No NRA, this vehicle insured by (your favorite firearm company), etc... stickers. Better to have a save the whales and protect bambi sticker. Look and act like sheeple. Don't attract attention to yourself. Just my .02.
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Exactly.
My two cents , checkpoints piss me off but I want to get thru them and on my way ASAP.
I would do my total best to avoid any "entanglements" period with authorities.
 
Hate to say it but we are ALREADY in a police state. Just look at the difference in the mind patterns of law enforcement since the 50's & 60's. Back then they helped people...Drove home drunks, broke up fistfights without charging everyone with felony assault & if we had this forum back then we would not even have to begin to talk about the subtrefuge we are referring to right now. Because it didn't exsist then. It is amazing what we become accustomed to & think of as nominal. Another area of proof is this test: When most people are in traffic & a cop plants their car behind them what do they think/feel? Do they feel protected or have a notion of community effort? Do they feel privileged in any way?...NO! They are thinking "Oh My God! I hope my taillights are working!!" or "I wonder if my tag is current!" or " I was just speeding back there...is he going to turn on the lights?!!!". In other words it is ALL FEAR! Law enforcement in this world is based on FEAR & INTIMIDATION....not COURAGE & MANHOOD. This makes it wrong, wrong, wrong. Even though the subjects we are talking about here must be addressed it doesn't make society right when we do address them. Most law enforcement training relies on mind control...just like the military. Follow orders! Follow Procedure! Follow regulations! This is why we get authority figures that can't use common sense & follow ridiculous procedures that, if left up to their own minds, they wouldn't do. Sorry to say it but that is mind control.
 
Peak oil is the concern. When gas prices reach $20-$30 a gallon, the govt. not having planned for the energy crisis while severely restrict civil liberties in the name of "law and order." You cannot build an alternative energy infrastructure overnight, and our entire economic system is based on fossil fuels, which is a huge vulnerability. No one will be able to afford to drive anywhere WHEN gas prices are this high. I don't believe in a total chaos & anarchy, but small, deliberate, insidious retrenchment of civil liberties when peak oil hits.

Staying in shape is probably more important than anything besides a good knife. Be in better shape than the average John Q. Law & bandit, practice hiking and cross country humping with your gear. If you have a family get them into shape too via hiking and camping trips. Carry cash, but not your entire life savings as bandits & unscrupulous law men will probably try to rob you.

Regional disasters like Katrina are another thing though; local/federal governments are not capable of dealing with the immediate effects of a disaster natural or man made.

A BOB or home storage of food and water is vital in a situation like Katrina or a terrorist attack, however staying put has its merits too - avoid the check points all together. Read Jack A. Spigarelli's Crisis Preparedness Handbook. You can protect you loved ones on your home turf much easier then you can on the road. Wait it out, be prepared to deal with looters. Be as inconspicuous as possible (i.e. try not to let anyone know you are even still at home.) If things are still really bad after 2 weeks then consider heading for a predetermined retreat destination. If you can't afford a retreat, consider other options of what you need to do, especially if you live in the cities and suburbs as most of us do. Driving vice walking should be a last resort. Rely on your own brain and body to save you.

The leftist elites will try to punish (i.e. taking away our weapons & stockpiles of food and water) anyone who is prepared because they always think they are smarter than you and me, yet it is we who prepared. They will hate more than anything that we were right, and seek to punish us with more government restrictions on civil liberties, gun and even knife control.
 
plus waxing and waning don't make assumptions about military and law enforcement training unless you have been in either. I have. The military doesn't brainwash people into mindless autonomatons as you seem to think. They train individuals to follow orders via core ethics for mission accomplishment. The military certainly has its own culture and organizational ethos for sure, but part of that is saying away from civil matters.

The local and fed govts during the Katrina disaster failled thier consituencies miserably, don't lump the military in with them. As I seem to remember it was the military who helped the most with disaster relief not FEMA. No american servicemen confiscated weapons, that was all done by local law enforcement on illegal orders by the mayor of new orleans. yet the people of new orleans still voted for him again WTF? The sheeple who elect such discraceful politicians are to blame. The culture of the military prohibits the use of it against US Civilians, even when it is given ridiculous orders by the civilian leadership of this country elected by sheeple.
 
In the 1950's, the nerves folks got when a black and white pulled up behind them even had a name" "black and white fever." That reaction was - and is -- in the mind. But not my mind. I am, and was, just fine w/ LEO's 'cause I knew and know I have no reason to feel otherwise.

Anyone who thinks we live in a "police state" has little knowledge of history --ours or the world's. In the U.S., there is far MORE protection of civil rights today than when I was young. Then, no one questioned police actions. "Street justice" was SOP. Those 24" hardwood batons beat a merry tatoo on the head of anyone who gave any lip. Today, the lawsuit is SOP.

In the world, calling the U.S. today a police state means Russia is what? Where is it that they shoot reporters who criticise the government? Not here, where harsh criticism of the G is a major industry.

Exaggeration on this scale makes the language meaningless.
 
and i think w&w simply fails to accept the world is an ever changning place. the 50-60's were different times, but to romanticize them as he does is a mistake. one could argue that people then were brainwashed as well into accepting law, order, and the enforcement of it.

but the truth is that crimes were committed then just as they are now. now with technologies that didnt exist, ie widespread media, we see more and more of what is happening outside our little corner of the world.

the population increase in the u.s. alone since the 60's can account for many of the varying attitudes and changes in how we view things. as the world changes, we must either adapt or be left behind. complaining does no good, neither does pointing the finger at law enforcement.


and a police state? are you kidding me? look at singapore and early 20th century germany and think again.
 
and after nearly 10 years in law enforcement, i have yet to have any training that can be remotely referred to as mind control. quite the opposite.

w&w you simply no nothing of what you are talking about.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
and after nearly 10 years in law enforcement, i have yet to have any training that can be remotely referred to as mind control. quite the opposite.

w&w you simply no nothing of what you are talking about.
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Yeah, the 50's and 60's were great!

Black had to ride in the back of busses, in the South they still had WHITE's ONLY signs on restaurants. Not to mention Measles , Polio and and the other illnesses.

yeah... hmmmm.
 
hollowdweller said:
This subject SO reminds me of this story. Police keeping people from saving themselves:

http://www.lombardportland.com/2005/09/hurricane_katri.html
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i read this, but dont see it entirely the same way. hostile law enforcement? how would you feel if you were working instead of with your family?

what should they have done? allow more people than the facility could handle? either way you have a bunch of angry people.

the walgreens and hotels are private property and can refuse service. i may have broken into the walgreens, i may not have. but to criticize police for protecting the private property of another from looters is unfair.

when things go wrong, anywhere, on any scale, people look to government for help and answers, rightfully so. but the govt doesnt always have all the answers, they are people too, sometimes right in the middle of the same disaster.

there is no way to prepare for a situation like hurrican katrina. how can anyone have a plan in place for such widespread disaster?

in their attempts to maintain some level of order, police and military may have hurt some feelings and angered some, and that is somewhat regrettable. but i believe this occurred in attempts to help as many as possible. i have talked with officers who were there. and most did their best to help, and many of these stories will never be heard.

also consider the article mentions the rising crime rate. the same people who were sheltered were victimizing each other. some of the blame lay, not on leo's and military, but elsewhere.
 
SkunkWerX said:
Yeah, the 50's and 60's were great!

Black had to ride in the back of busses, in the South they still had WHITE's ONLY signs on restaurants. Not to mention Measles , Polio and and the other illnesses.

yeah... hmmmm.
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but if we forget about all that stuff, then the 50'60's were just like the movie grease. right? :D
 
"there is no way to prepare for a situation like hurrican katrina. how can anyone have a plan in place for such widespread disaster?"

Morimotom - do you mean the Police can't plan or an individual can't plan?
 
darthstrevel said:
"there is no way to prepare for a situation like hurrican katrina. how can anyone have a plan in place for such widespread disaster?"

Morimotom - do you mean the Police can't plan or an individual can't plan?
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no. widespread disaster is nearly impossible to plan for. no matter what contingencies exist, inevitablely some part of the plan fails. could be that there is a personnel shortage, the planned shelter is destroyed (as well as the backup), the number of displaced persons is underestimated, etc.

every agency and govt entity has a disaster plan in place. none are perfect and no one really knows if the plan is good until a disaster strikes.

its not like this type of scenario happens often, thankfully.

911 for example. in hindsight, that could have been averted. however, realistically it was unaviodable. without getting into the intelligence the fbi, cia, secret service, military, local pd's, nsa, and whoever else gathers and has to interpret, i dont believe anyone could have known, with reasonable certainty, it was going to happen.

this is not a great analogy, as 911 was a planned attack, but recent and the aftermath was comparable.

now consider everything in place as far as security at airports and such. had these been in place maybe 911 doesnt happen. but the tragedy changed the way we look at everything, and changes in security procedures across the world were eminent. these procedures would never have existed prior to 911, because it was not reasonable to anticipate the attack.

back to the hurricane. from what i have seen and read, it certainly could have been dealt with better. however how can one anticipate what happened? or how can any govt agency anticipate? having a plan in place to address this type of incident requires too much speculation.

basic disaster plans exist. when they are not enough you call for outside help, which new orleans did. but part of the responsibility falls also on the individuals and communities to help, others and themselves. as i am sure many did, but this number was far less than those who did not, evidenced by the high crime rate at shelters no less.

we want the govt to stay out of our business until WE need THEM. then when things go wrong, many people sit back and want all the answers delivered on a platter.

i may be a bit of a govt apologist, but i also expect a lot from the citizens of this country.
 
Boy this topic sure doesn't stay stagnant! Runningboar is right on & to the point. The fact is that if you are involved in any governmental organization that can interfere & alter a person's life & take orders from a superior officer or follow rules & regulations concerning databases on individuals without questioning the information then you are being mind controlled. Simple as that. I see the military & police doing much more harm than good because of this. Harassing & persecuting people who do not have it coming. There are only 2 kinds of people in the world...those who wish to be left alone & those who will not ever leave them alone. if you are one who likes to 'interfere' in others lives then your mind pattern needs some boosting. Police think they are doing their service when they bust some local drug dealer for having a few ounces but all they are doing is upsetting families & altering lives. Anyone can figure out that if you want to stop drugs you can...but you must hit those at the top & no policeman out there has the balls because these people are untouchable...They are the leaders of this country...Bush & Cheney. My wife & my best friend know all about military mind control & my oldest brother died in 'nam at 18 because of it. "Shoot! That's an order!!!". Both sides have this bullcrap mind control when if they didn't then they'd all sit down & have a beer & get along fine. it's all the 'divide & rule' concept that has been how the global elite manipulate us.
 
following orders is not mind control. i can choose to be insubordinate and not follow an order if i choose.

do you have a job? do you have a boss? do you do what he says? then you are under mind control as well, troll.
 
the age old balance between security and freedom...though freedom exists only by vigilance those those in power and holding them accountable. I look at BOB's and other survival methdology as not only a hobby but a form of life insurance, but I try to keep it in perspective. (mostly because I like buying the gear) Some Items would be good to have in any disaster, but I agree you can never fully anticipate specific disasters, just try to cultivate skills that would help for a wide range of situations.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
following orders is not mind control. i can choose to be insubordinate and not follow an order if i choose.

do you have a job? do you have a boss? do you do what he says? then you are under mind control as well, troll.
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I agree. W & W doesn't know anything about LEO or the military.
 
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