Have you considered police checkpoints?

[Codger_64]

Boy this topic sure doesn't stay stagnant! Runningboar is right on & to the point. The fact is that if you are involved in any governmental organization that can interfere & alter a person's life & take orders from a superior officer or follow rules & regulations concerning databases on individuals without questioning the information then you are being mind controlled. Simple as that. I see the military & police doing much more harm than good because of this. Harassing & persecuting people who do not have it coming. There are only 2 kinds of people in the world...those who wish to be left alone & those who will not ever leave them alone. if you are one who likes to 'interfere' in others lives then your mind pattern needs some boosting. Police think they are doing their service when they bust some local drug dealer for having a few ounces but all they are doing is upsetting families & altering lives. Anyone can figure out that if you want to stop drugs you can...but you must hit those at the top & no policeman out there has the balls because these people are untouchable...They are the leaders of this country...Bush & Cheney. My wife & my best friend know all about military mind control & my oldest brother died in 'nam at 18 because of it. "Shoot! That's an order!!!". Both sides have this bullcrap mind control when if they didn't then they'd all sit down & have a beer & get along fine. it's all the 'divide & rule' concept that has been how the global elite manipulate us.

Hmmm. Your post says a lot about you. I suppose you have your reasons for feeling as you do. But let me say this. Because your brother, who was also MY brother... and thousands of other young men were willing to go into harms way and follow orders, YOU have the right to do and say what you wish, right or wrong. Your brother died there. Many of my friends did. Few of us came back the same boys we were when we left. But to a man, we were all willing to die, if that was what was called for, as were our fathers, and our grandfathers, and great grandfathers. And now our own sons.

Your mantra sounds like you own the Alex Jones video Library. Now THERE is a master of mind control.

I hope that someday you realize that there are many types of people in this world, not just the two you extoll. An "us and them" mentality is not healthful or conducive to participating in society.

Best of luck
Codger

 

[runningboar]

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[yacoub]

there's truth on both sides of the little debate going on this thread. that said, getting back on topic, it sounds like it's a toss-up b/w staying put for a week or two versus trying to be one of the first to leave. perhaps it really comes down to just what the disaster is.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

the age old balance between security and freedom...though freedom exists only by vigilance those those in power and holding them accountable. I look at BOB's and other survival methdology as not only a hobby but a form of life insurance, but I try to keep it in perspective. (mostly because I like buying the gear) Some Items would be good to have in any disaster, but I agree you can never fully anticipate specific disasters, just try to cultivate skills that would help for a wide range of situations.

you are both intellegent and articulate darth. w&w is a new guy with three posts and for some reason has decided this is the place to spread his hate of government.

w&w if you read this, try and imagine what your world would be like if there were never a military or law enforcement never existed. sounds like mexico city to me, or maybe late 20th columbia, where both military and police were so corrupt there was little disparity between the two.

who do you think gave you the freedom you enjoy today? as far back as written history goes, military and law enforcement existed to maintain control. who are you to say that every civilization that has ever existed has had it wrong. some may have abused their power, sure, but without these safeguards in place, you dont go home at night and have the luxury of criticizing that which you know nothing about.

 

[yacoub]

Again, to get back on topic: The more I think about it, the more I think staying is never a realistic option if you live in the suburbs or city. Katrina was at its worst when the military moved it, went house to house disarming folks who would have been fine on their own if they were left alone and could defend themselves. They also enforced curfews and roadblocks.
Before they interfered, those with supplies and weapons were doing just fine in their houses. Plus once the roadblocks and curfews were set up, if those folks got to the two week point where they decided to finally head out, they would have to get thru checkpoints (for "looters") and might have their property (guns and such) confiscated.
More and more it seems like the only decent course of action is to get out as soon as possible, assuming you want to retain ownership of your property that you thought was protected under that "f*&ing piece of paper" (quoting G.W.Bush) we know as the Constitution, and have a destination in mind to go to.

 

[runningboar]

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[yacoub]

Those folks were rescued by the Coast Guard, not the military that went door to door in the non-flooded neighborhoods to disarm folks who were the only ones left with food and defenses.

Some people (like yourself) are igonorant and blind to what's really going on and would rather deny reality until it's too late. Have a Merry Christmas!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2758880303660529314

 

[runningboar]

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[yacoub]

I never said I have a problem with the folks on the ground who are just "obeying orders". The problem is those in charge giving unconstitutional orders to the guys in the field.
Very often it is folks on the ground like yourself who do not see the bigger picture and are often brainwashed into thinking what they are doing is good. Clearly we're talking about taking guns away from law-abiding citizens. If you're trying to twist the topic into 'bringing in relief supplies' that's not at all what we've been discussing.

Regardless, thanks for trying to play the martyr here, however, no pity party will be held.

And I'm sure they'll give folks all sorts of medals for following questionable orders. Claiming that receiving medals from those who gave unconstitutional orders somehow vindicates the actions taken, well that's rather humorous... or sad if one is brainwashed enough to take pride in receiving them. Again, not speaking to you or your unit directly since you haven't specified what your unit did. You brought yourself and your unit into this discussion though, so the logical assumption is that you are saying you were part of the folks doing questionable things which is what we've been discussing all along. Things like going house to house and taking citizen's weapons. I won't make that logical assumption though - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you just wanted to rush to talk about your unit to try to play the martyr in this thread. My point is a general one, however: That it would be sad if someone was brainwashed enough to take comfort and pride in receiving a medal as the result of obeying unconstitutional orders. End of story.

 

[runningboar]

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You win, I am just a brainwashed automaton.

 

[yacoub]

This is the last post where I will discuss this, you weren't there, you have no idea what was going on besides what the liberal media feeds you. I do not, and will never desire or need your pity, I do however pity you.

I will continue to go places and do things and you will continue to sit on the couch and whine about it. Chris

Wow. ok there, B.A. Barrakus. Thanks for trying to tell me my experience with the event. Typical know-it-all attitude of someone following orders who doesn't have a clue to the bigger picture and is in denial that anything outside of their field of vision could be true. I actually had friends who were there who who told me what it was like to live through it, dealing with people trying to carjack them on the way out, shootings, looting, bribes, roadblocks, etc. And I don't pay heed to the media, actually, but thanks for another faulty assumption. Keep racking them up!

Also, I'm not sure how you ended up trying to paint me as a liberal when I'm clearly in favor of the constitution, citizen's rights including gun ownership, and freedom from tyranny.

response to your edit:

I have decided to withdraw from this thread, it is sad when people believe everything they hear from the media. Chris

Good, maybe we can get back on topic now!

 

[Codger_64]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2758880303660529314

Alex Jones again? OMG!
So, where were the black helocopters, the chip implants, the iluminati, and the skull n bones involvement in this? Did the "Georges" Bush really use Haarp to cause the hurricanes? It had to all be instigated by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers.

Alex sells poor science fiction based very loosely on reality. He sells fear and misdirection. It is difficult to believe that his brand of shock-jock "news" is still selling, but this speaks of the gullibility of some Americans. It is as simple as that. Simple as that.

Codger

PS- Thank you for your service runningboar. Next photo op, wear the brain bucket and goggles!

 

[runningboar]

Now that we have the ACH helmet and the new helmet pads with wiley x goggles I just might. It is a lot more comfortable and stylish, which you know is very important when you are trying to look your best for the camera.

 

[Thomas Linton]

Doomer Porn, Chapter 3.

 

[Codger_64]

Dang. I am soooo behind the times on the toys you guys get to play with now. Wiley Coyote goggles? We had ache helmets. Made our butts ache when we used them as seats on the choppers (had to protect Pete n the boys ya know).

 

[yacoub]

Alex Jones again? OMG!
...
Codger

Ah yes, when unable to counter the facts, attack the messenger.

That's great you want to live in a fantasy world but the reality is quite a bit closer to the police state exposes like the one I linked to than it is to everyone holding hands and singing kumbaya.

 

[darthstrevel]

Every society finds it difficult to draw the line between security and personal freedom. I am proponent of as much freedom as I can get, however other social malcontents abuse the freedom of our society. You and I may be law abiding and deserve more freedom than we have now. Others who seek to take our property, lives and undermine the values we teach our children are why the police and military exist. The police & military would not be necessary if everyone minded their own business. Most people are not as prepared as you and I to defend themselves against crime, terror or even hurricanes. The police specialize in preventing crime and apprehending law-breakers. For example: As a private citizen I could not hope to have the type of investigative skill that say a detective possesses, to apprehend law breakers. With civilization specialization of jobs is necessary. Police are necessary for our protection. However, the politicians who give illegal (i.e. against the constitution) orders must be held accountable. The constitution is what balances civil liberties and physical security, and I think it has stood the test of time...

 

[Codger_64]

Ah yes, when unable to counter the facts, attack the messenger.

When one gets tainted information, the source of that information is indeed relevant. Alex Jones is a classic fear monger. He uses hyperbole and insinuations to lay down his facts to support the conclusions he has already made. So where are the massive concentration camp roundups of citizens? When are those hidden Fox chem warfare vehicles, all those UN troops going to come out of hiding and round us all up? Alex has been spewing his tripe for decades, always to the same tune. Did you listen to him in the late 1980's? The '90's? Did our society collapse when the clock struck midnight 2000? Or was that 2001? I'm sorry, but information from a source like Mr. Jones has little credibility in my view. If you want to support his ministry of doom and gloom, have at it.

Codger

 

[yacoub]

So basically what you're saying is that you espouse the liberal view antithetical to the mottos of such groups as the BoyScouts and the Marines, in that your perspective is, "If it hasn't happened yet, it won't happen. Ignore the growing warning signs and pretend everything is fine."
Your mindset is the last one would expect to find in a forum about Survival Skills since it is one of apathy.

Nowhere have I said that I take what Alex Jones says as fact, however, facts reported on that he and others covered can be used to draw one's own conclusions without any hyperbole and exaggeration Mr. Jones might wish to add. Personally I dislike his journalistic style (particularly the aggressive way he interviews folks) and think he presents only the most negative conclusions. That doesn't completely disqualify the events and facts, just as it doesn't completely qualify his view of them. There's a balance between his view and yours where the truth lies.

 

[Thomas Linton]

So basically what you're saying is that you espouse the liberal view antithetical to the mottos of such groups as the BoyScouts and the Marines, in that your perspective is, "If it hasn't happened yet, it won't happen. Ignore the growing warning signs and pretend everything is fine."
Your mindset is the last one would expect to find in a forum about Survival Skills since it is one of apathy.

"Signs, signs, everywhere signs."

Those of us who have lived some simply have a different perspective. Some folks have been "seeing" "signs" of the imminence of teotwawki for many generations. They seem to try to convince others of the impending "police state," or Chinese invasion, or doom d'jour as a way to make a living, a path to power, a strange path to happiness, or a symptom of paranoia. Turns out they were inaccurate, whatever their motivation or pathology (But their lack of accuracy in predicting doesn't even slow them down. On to the next "signs" of the next disaster.)

You assume much in playing at speaking for Scouting. "Be Prepared" does not mean to me prepared for any fanciful eventuality. There are enough realistic, threatening possibilities out there that one should prepare for - getting lost, loss of employment, loss of personal security to a carjacker.

And if you can't take "what Alex Jones says as fact" how can you decribe his distortions and imaginings as "facts reported"?