Here a Snark, there a Snark, everywhere a Snark Snark!!

[Galeocerdoshark]

I'm eyeing the bk24, just waiting for a good deal on shipping to pop up. Anyone caring to share their experiences with kabar d2?

 

[Jonny1280]

mornin gents.

Well, i got engaged yesterday!

Whoa, congrats dude!

 

[1066vik]

I remember you telling me you do some coding here and there for work. Did you ever use jQuery/javascript or did you find that it wasn't necessary very often for the average customer?

I only use javascript for dropdown menus on my top toolbar. have never heard of jQuery before this.

Yeah I hear ya. Woke up this morning and its snowin pretty good here. Already a inch or so on the ground.

Here too probably four inches and still going

we ended up with 4-6" of really wet snow that is already melting. Yesterday it snowed for a few hours, then freezing rain for an hour -- that melted all the snow -- then it started snowing again...

mornin gents.

Well, i got engaged yesterday!

congrats! Do your best to keep the festivities small and/or inexpensive -- starting out a new life waist deep in debt is not a recipe for success.

Thanks for the response! My dad is somewhere along your line, knows several languages and knows how to do them well and hates walking into a job where the last guy left a bunch of junk code he has to fix. He knows javascipt, jquery, sql, html, css, c++, java, etc etc. He's been professionally coding for years and is trying to help me find my niche so I was wondering how many average sites made for customers require use of jQuery type coding. He only does web development as a side gig it's not where he made his bones but he's pretty decent at it. Here's his site:

sberringer.net

I hate cleaning up after someone else has gone in and done some editing with a Windows product.

 

[Bladite]

Thanks for the response! My dad is somewhere along your line, knows several languages and knows how to do them well and hates walking into a job where the last guy left a bunch of junk code he has to fix. He knows javascipt, jquery, sql, html, css, c++, java, etc etc. He's been professionally coding for years and is trying to help me find my niche so I was wondering how many average sites made for customers require use of jQuery type coding. He only does web development as a side gig it's not where he made his bones but he's pretty decent at it. Here's his site:

well, the technical answer is : you don't need javascript or jQuery on your site. ever the original web and html markup was about content, not form. that is to say, you don't need animated icons running around competing for attention from the actual information.

the more real world answer is: you likely don't need it; but if you do, always design your site to work WITHOUT it. some people will not use it or allow it to work on their browsers (on purpose), and others will be defeated by it - it generally breaks a lot of methods used to obtain the data for people with access isues (the blind for instance).

unfortunately, many people and businesses WANT the shiny stuff, so, that's where various technologies come into play; on the browser side, that's javascript. now, while the language itself is pure, the way each major browser company implements that, and its interaction to the web and/or rendering a page can vary somewhat (to a lot); chrome, firefox, ie, safari, opera, etc all have ... quirks (and yes, that IS a technical term in this case quirks-mode is a thing).

why is that relevant to jQuery? because jQuery's library attempts to wrap up all those riddles and enigmas of variations across the browsers into a neat, simple, tidy, consistent package, that let's you do your nasty shiny stuff without having to worry (so much) about other things. it's a massive shorthand for browser interactions.

also note: you don't write programs so much in jQuery as you use it to get, put, and modify information on the page. you still need to KNOW javascript programming to write good apps (data structures + algorithms === programs (that's a programmer joke))... which is where a lot of people stumble - jQuery is a subset of javascript in a way but it's NOT programming - you can do a lot of up front "copy and paste" grabbing of libraries, and then use jQuery markup/etc to make shiny pages, but ultimately, you aren't creating behaviors, your just affecting look and feel (and degrading access).

niche? tools is a good start. mastery python and ruby and perl and php. learn databases (sql) well. java is possibly a dead language, but it's good to know until it dies. C++ will stay around a long time, but is something of a specialty. learn [bash] shell and unix os. that covers like 95% of your backend stuff. if you want: learn admin of apache, and database creation and maintenance, and configuration of stuff like wordpress, and drupal. that gives you more traction. there's some good books, and lately, some good online (free) courses to get you started.

front end? web stack? "ui/ux"? yeah, there's a ton to learn there. html5, css3, javascript - i can recommend some GOOD books (in fact, i'm [re]reading a lot of them to make it second nature - the best of these books are barely 1/3 to 1/2 inch thick - lots of material and a LOT of material that has been left out (because it's junk)). there's a lot of bad books too. one of the big things with javascript/UI/UX lately are the abundance of libraries - written in javascript - to make javascript MORE useful (and less broken).

i leave you with this homework: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell

study hard

 

[Bladite]

I'm eyeing the bk24, just waiting for a good deal on shipping to pop up. Anyone caring to share their experiences with kabar d2?

it stays sharp, it doesn't rust so far, and i haven't tried to sharpen one, despite cutting a lot of food, esp red meat.

it put aluminum handles on mine, and it lives in the kitchen so far.

there are some threads about it, no? if not, soon there will be

 

[Bladite]

I only use javascript for dropdown menus on my top toolbar. have never heard of jQuery before this.

we ended up with 4-6" of really wet snow that is already melting. Yesterday it snowed for a few hours, then freezing rain for an hour -- that melted all the snow -- then it started snowing again...

congrats! Do your best to keep the festivities small and/or inexpensive -- starting out a new life waist deep in debt is not a recipe for success.

I hate cleaning up after someone else has gone in and done some editing with a Windows product.

jQuery is huge. here's a good book to get started with better javascript, and learn jQuery too...

"JavaScript & jQuery: The Missing Manual" by David Sawyer McFarland, his book on CSS3 is also considered to be a bible of sorts.

i feel by the time anyone in the life cycle has access to bad tools like that is probably someone that should not be touching my code or be working in the industry

 

[Hunter Sharp]

well, the technical answer is : you don't need javascript or jQuery on your site. ever the original web and html markup was about content, not form. that is to say, you don't need animated icons running around competing for attention from the actual information.

the more real world answer is: you likely don't need it; but if you do, always design your site to work WITHOUT it. some people will not use it or allow it to work on their browsers (on purpose), and others will be defeated by it - it generally breaks a lot of methods used to obtain the data for people with access isues (the blind for instance).

unfortunately, many people and businesses WANT the shiny stuff, so, that's where various technologies come into play; on the browser side, that's javascript. now, while the language itself is pure, the way each major browser company implements that, and its interaction to the web and/or rendering a page can vary somewhat (to a lot); chrome, firefox, ie, safari, opera, etc all have ... quirks (and yes, that IS a technical term in this case quirks-mode is a thing).

why is that relevant to jQuery? because jQuery's library attempts to wrap up all those riddles and enigmas of variations across the browsers into a neat, simple, tidy, consistent package, that let's you do your nasty shiny stuff without having to worry (so much) about other things. it's a massive shorthand for browser interactions.

also note: you don't write programs so much in jQuery as you use it to get, put, and modify information on the page. you still need to KNOW javascript programming to write good apps (data structures + algorithms === programs (that's a programmer joke))... which is where a lot of people stumble - jQuery is a subset of javascript in a way but it's NOT programming - you can do a lot of up front "copy and paste" grabbing of libraries, and then use jQuery markup/etc to make shiny pages, but ultimately, you aren't creating behaviors, your just affecting look and feel (and degrading access).

niche? tools is a good start. mastery python and ruby and perl and php. learn databases (sql) well. java is possibly a dead language, but it's good to know until it dies. C++ will stay around a long time, but is something of a specialty. learn [bash] shell and unix os. that covers like 95% of your backend stuff. if you want: learn admin of apache, and database creation and maintenance, and configuration of stuff like wordpress, and drupal. that gives you more traction. there's some good books, and lately, some good online (free) courses to get you started.

front end? web stack? "ui/ux"? yeah, there's a ton to learn there. html5, css3, javascript - i can recommend some GOOD books (in fact, i'm [re]reading a lot of them to make it second nature - the best of these books are barely 1/3 to 1/2 inch thick - lots of material and a LOT of material that has been left out (because it's junk)). there's a lot of bad books too. one of the big things with javascript/UI/UX lately are the abundance of libraries - written in javascript - to make javascript MORE useful (and less broken).

i leave you with this homework: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell

study hard

You hit the nail on the head Bladeite! I was about to say the same thing

 

[crimsonfalcon07]

Congrats, G&B!

 

[B.Mauser]

Went to a "gourmet" hot dog restaurant. The bacon cheddar dog and the Chicago dog were the best. The one covered in onions was a Kobe beef dog, it was sweet and weird, didn't like it.

 

[mrn8]

Wow, Kobe beef to make a hotdog. Gotta be a pearls before swine joke in there somewhere..

As for programming, it is something I didn't enjoy, so I have gotten away from it. For whatever reason, I suddenly enjoy it again, so I am digging in again and starting with java, based on the fact that my employer wants to see some mobile apps created to connect potential donors and clients to our social media channels. It gives me a challenge and I'm gaining a skill that I have all but forgotten. My main strengths are more in server maintenance and networking, though, because those are the areas I enjoyed putting more of my efforts into.

 

[Guyon]

well, the technical answer is : you don't need javascript or jQuery on your site. ever the original web and html markup was about content, not form. that is to say, you don't need animated icons running around competing for attention from the actual information.

the more real world answer is: you likely don't need it; but if you do, always design your site to work WITHOUT it. some people will not use it or allow it to work on their browsers (on purpose), and others will be defeated by it - it generally breaks a lot of methods used to obtain the data for people with access isues (the blind for instance).

unfortunately, many people and businesses WANT the shiny stuff, so, that's where various technologies come into play; on the browser side, that's javascript. now, while the language itself is pure, the way each major browser company implements that, and its interaction to the web and/or rendering a page can vary somewhat (to a lot); chrome, firefox, ie, safari, opera, etc all have ... quirks (and yes, that IS a technical term in this case quirks-mode is a thing).

why is that relevant to jQuery? because jQuery's library attempts to wrap up all those riddles and enigmas of variations across the browsers into a neat, simple, tidy, consistent package, that let's you do your nasty shiny stuff without having to worry (so much) about other things. it's a massive shorthand for browser interactions.

also note: you don't write programs so much in jQuery as you use it to get, put, and modify information on the page. you still need to KNOW javascript programming to write good apps (data structures + algorithms === programs (that's a programmer joke))... which is where a lot of people stumble - jQuery is a subset of javascript in a way but it's NOT programming - you can do a lot of up front "copy and paste" grabbing of libraries, and then use jQuery markup/etc to make shiny pages, but ultimately, you aren't creating behaviors, your just affecting look and feel (and degrading access).

niche? tools is a good start. mastery python and ruby and perl and php. learn databases (sql) well. java is possibly a dead language, but it's good to know until it dies. C++ will stay around a long time, but is something of a specialty. learn [bash] shell and unix os. that covers like 95% of your backend stuff. if you want: learn admin of apache, and database creation and maintenance, and configuration of stuff like wordpress, and drupal. that gives you more traction. there's some good books, and lately, some good online (free) courses to get you started.

front end? web stack? "ui/ux"? yeah, there's a ton to learn there. html5, css3, javascript - i can recommend some GOOD books (in fact, i'm [re]reading a lot of them to make it second nature - the best of these books are barely 1/3 to 1/2 inch thick - lots of material and a LOT of material that has been left out (because it's junk)). there's a lot of bad books too. one of the big things with javascript/UI/UX lately are the abundance of libraries - written in javascript - to make javascript MORE useful (and less broken).

i leave you with this homework: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell

study hard

Took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[The Warrior]

Snow, snow, snow.

 

[cbwoods67]

Snow, snow, snow.

Melting quickly, though. Took the tractor down the road, and by the time I turned around and came back, my tracks were slush.
I am tired of this weather.

 

[Chameleonbear]

Went to a "gourmet" hot dog restaurant. The bacon cheddar dog and the Chicago dog were the best. The one covered in onions was a Kobe beef dog, it was sweet and weird, didn't like it.

is this the place in Denver? The place that looks like a garage?

 

[Diesel D]

New truck shopping. Went did trucks start costing so much anyway? Base trucks start in the 40's now.

Hmmmm........Wonder how much...:ee k: WOW!

Man, the Ford Raptor is a good looking truck. Look at this idiot.
[video=youtube_share;JKQdlXvbWSU]http://youtu.be/JKQdlXvbWSU[/video]

 

[tfields]

well, the technical answer is : you don't need javascript or jQuery on your site. ever the original web and html markup was about content, not form. that is to say, you don't need animated icons running around competing for attention from the actual information.

the more real world answer is: you likely don't need it; but if you do, always design your site to work WITHOUT it. some people will not use it or allow it to work on their browsers (on purpose), and others will be defeated by it - it generally breaks a lot of methods used to obtain the data for people with access isues (the blind for instance).

unfortunately, many people and businesses WANT the shiny stuff, so, that's where various technologies come into play; on the browser side, that's javascript. now, while the language itself is pure, the way each major browser company implements that, and its interaction to the web and/or rendering a page can vary somewhat (to a lot); chrome, firefox, ie, safari, opera, etc all have ... quirks (and yes, that IS a technical term in this case quirks-mode is a thing).

why is that relevant to jQuery? because jQuery's library attempts to wrap up all those riddles and enigmas of variations across the browsers into a neat, simple, tidy, consistent package, that let's you do your nasty shiny stuff without having to worry (so much) about other things. it's a massive shorthand for browser interactions.

also note: you don't write programs so much in jQuery as you use it to get, put, and modify information on the page. you still need to KNOW javascript programming to write good apps (data structures + algorithms === programs (that's a programmer joke))... which is where a lot of people stumble - jQuery is a subset of javascript in a way but it's NOT programming - you can do a lot of up front "copy and paste" grabbing of libraries, and then use jQuery markup/etc to make shiny pages, but ultimately, you aren't creating behaviors, your just affecting look and feel (and degrading access).

niche? tools is a good start. mastery python and ruby and perl and php. learn databases (sql) well. java is possibly a dead language, but it's good to know until it dies. C++ will stay around a long time, but is something of a specialty. learn [bash] shell and unix os. that covers like 95% of your backend stuff. if you want: learn admin of apache, and database creation and maintenance, and configuration of stuff like wordpress, and drupal. that gives you more traction. there's some good books, and lately, some good online (free) courses to get you started.

front end? web stack? "ui/ux"? yeah, there's a ton to learn there. html5, css3, javascript - i can recommend some GOOD books (in fact, i'm [re]reading a lot of them to make it second nature - the best of these books are barely 1/3 to 1/2 inch thick - lots of material and a LOT of material that has been left out (because it's junk)). there's a lot of bad books too. one of the big things with javascript/UI/UX lately are the abundance of libraries - written in javascript - to make javascript MORE useful (and less broken).

i leave you with this homework: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell

study hard

kinda over simplified it but he is spot on!!

 

[MikeyJ]

Went to a "gourmet" hot dog restaurant. The bacon cheddar dog and the Chicago dog were the best. The one covered in onions was a Kobe beef dog, it was sweet and weird, didn't like it.

Hey Mauser, was that Steve's Snappin' Dogs? I only know of that one, and a place over on Broadway...but dammit man, I loves me some hot dogs!

Btw...love that you slipped your '14 in there for Becker content!

 

[Doogoon]

It's my birthday and I didn't get any knives

 

[GarnetandBlack]

Congrats!

Whos the lucky Fella ?

....lol Just ribbin ya, Congrats Garnet

Run away!!!!! Um I mean congrats

But for real, congrats man.

Whoa, congrats dude!

congrats! Do your best to keep the festivities small and/or inexpensive -- starting out a new life waist deep in debt is not a recipe for success.

Congrats, G&B!

Thanks guys, really appreciate it

 

[mrn8]

It's my birthday and I didn't get any knives

Bummer....but happy birthday!

Now go get yourself a gift.