Here's a rare one!

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Bob W said:
No thanks Codger. But if you 'win' the auction, I'll give you five bucks for it. :D

-Bob
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Now there's a good idea. Ya'll all each send me five bucks so I can win it, then you can all say you own a 2OT!

:D
 
Codger_64 said:
Anyone who cares to outbid me can have it! :D I'll wind up buying Aussie Larry's pair! :p

Michael
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First of all. I have no desire to bid on this knife, but I would like to know a guestimate on the value of this pattern that is a mint example, as well as one in fine condition lets say it is used, but has been cleaned up, not much blade loss, no handle or bolster damage, and good snap to the blades.

Also curious when this pattern was produced.

These are rare enough on Ebay I wouldn't know. I saw one in January at a gun show, and it was like the latter of the two I described. I have a feeling I should have bought it.
 
Those come up so rarely on the resale market that it's nearly impossible to predict. If two or three people were interested and the bidding went sky-high, it's not like two of them could sit it out and wait for the next one. But at the same time, casual collectors might pass it up since few people know what the heck it is. Plus it doesn't have the brown plastic handles. :D

My own guess, a mint condition 2OT is worth about $150 - $200.

As for one in poor condition with cracked handles and dirty worn blades, we'll know the value in about three days. :) My own valuation of a used, broken knife like that, $10. But obviously I under-estimated...

-Bob
 
I can't imagine Aussie Larry selling his pair, ever!! Larry?
 
thawk said:
...I would like to know a guestimate on the value of this pattern that is a mint example, as well as one in fine condition lets say it is used, but has been cleaned up, not much blade loss, no handle or bolster damage, and good snap to the blades...Also curious when this pattern was produced...
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Ahhh. I thought we had pretty well plowed this field. :D Well, I'll post my research on the 2OT pattern soon. I still have some more work to do on it (and waiting for those five dollar donations to roll in). Coming soon to a thread near you. ;)

Michael
 
G'Day, I dont really want to get into guesstimates while that auction is still alive and it is a desirable knife.I obviously would like to see Codger own it.
Waynorth,I remember you won a 2OT not so long ago and you know what you had to pay.Why not post a photo.
Bob W would be happy to post a 10" x 14" photo of my 'pair 'but my wife gets jealous when I show them indiscriminately...would you settle for a photo of my knives instead mate?
I believe lrv has some interesting production numbers on 2OT and the numbers of "protos" of 3OT which he may like to share some time.
Codger you refer to the 3OT as almost being a "one off" like those individual protos we see from the Wall collection/clearout sales I feel there is more of a story than just one or few being made and not proceeded with ,as not only are they so similar to the 2OT from the same period circa 1959 but why would Schrade Walden designate a "production" number 3OT to a one off proto?I believe there are more, albeit pretty tightly held and there is a story as to why they did not proceed to production and why didnt they produce more/classic examples like they did after some years after 1959 similar to what they did with the 2OT? Hoo Roo and good luck...I might even clean my telescopics..'if ya cant beat em join em'.
 
Larry303 said:
...why didnt they produce more/classic examples like they did after some years after 1959 similar to what they did with the 2OT?
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Interestingly, I came across the assertion of a second production of the 2OT while doing my research. I have not yet been able to confirm that. I checked the Schrade factory production records for 1969 and 1970, but there was no listing for the 2OT. So I checked 1967 and 1968. No joy. Then I checked 1971 and 1972 on the chance that the mentioned dates were off a year or two. Still no revival of the 2OT. Schrade's pattern number for this knife was #126. It was not even written into the margins in pencil, as they sometimes did. So at this point, I can only consider this unsubstantiated supposition. Of course, that is only my own opinion and it could be changed in a flash if I came across some primary source material confirming it.

As to their assigning an OT number before a knife reached production, they did this from time to time. Remember the Old Timer boot dagger which surfaced from the auction? It had a OT number and tang stamp.

Michael
 
whoa!! that thing is getting up there!!! michael, how about u buy it and donate it to me for field research?? pleeeaaassseee!!! or larry can contribute his, and throw in one of those kangaroo sacks!

kris

p.s.~ hhmm, larry, u can ship the knife inside the kangaroo sack, i wont mind!
 
To add visuals to this spritely discussion, here is a picture of my err...pair, a mint 2OT, next to a near mint Cut. Co. #2202, its "ancestor". (They are hell on gotches though.)
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These are posted for Larry from Oz. I will let him comment on his rare treasures!
OldTimers2OT3OT004.jpg

OldTimers2OT3OT017.jpg

OldTimers2OT3OT010.jpg

OldTimers2OT3OT015.jpg

OldTimers2OT3OT014.jpg

There are more photos, but these views are the correct "study" views to do comparative research)
 
Oh so nice! I'm going to print those and frame them on the wall above my desk!

And as for the thread subject knife on eBay: In the immortal words of Puerto Rican Roberto Duran to Sugar Ray Leonard on November 25th, 1980 when he lost his welterweight crown, "No mas! No mas!" Or in American slang from Tennessee, "Stick a fork in me boys, I'm done!" I simply cannot justify paying more than my highest bid for this example of 2OT. Next batter?

Michael
 
Well boys, I'll give it a run for a little while. We'll see where she goes......then if my bid holds out, we'll have to get it to Dale or Kaleb and let them do their magic.
 
If you are going to frame one, Codger, here's the prettiest pic; it's the back, but shows the blade comparison nicely.
OldTimers2OT3OT022.jpg
 
G'Day, Thanks Charlie,I reckon they would win if I entered them in the synchronised swimming in the Olympics dont you???
MM you already have a 2OT version in parts dont you,put them both together and you would have a pretty fair knife nothing wrong with those blades...then you can present it to our illustrious Grand Chief Poo Bah of the higher order of Schrade Old Timer Poo Bahs who is feeling a little forked-out at the moment it seems!...."No Mas"!
Charlie I just got a Cut Co which is another variation on the 2OT like yours but without the Washington bolsters. Its not hard to see where Schrade got the idea for this most classic design. Ebay # 250099125584 if anyone interested. Hoo Roo
 
Nice one! And yes, it is a sleeveboard jack, as is the 2OT. Brass lined, nickle silver bolsters, caps, and shield. Cleaned inside, large blade crocus polished on one side. Mother Of Pearl handles. This from the Schrade Cutlery Company Catalog E and supplements reprint by A.G. Russell circa 1971.

Michael
 
It's great to see M.O.P. survive the decades! Nice find! Worth more than you paid, IMO.
 
Go for it Marc. :thumbup:
I am saving my money for the OKCA show next week.

Dale
 
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