Here's The BOSS HG55 LE. . . . YOWZA!!!!!

Funny, I've never had all these problems with choils that seem to plague others. On the other hand, I have had problems with the ugliness of the Busses without a choil.;)
 
hjdca said:
when you hold it like that, it is really balanced, and your hand does not get tired from handling such a blade heavy knife....
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I've found that with heavy blades, and the position my hand has to be in when holding the choil, anything that requires force will tire my hand out faster then the standard grip. by spreading the index finger away from the middle finger, and by giving it a big wide flat object to hold steady against side to side torque, you increase the amount of force your hand has to exert to keep the blade stable and where you want it. there are ways to reduce that, but not entirely with talon hole in place. your guaranteed a wide spread between your index and middle finger because of it's inherent size.

this point can easily be argued because everyone's hands are different, and your tasks may not require a lot of force to be applied to the medium when you choke up in that position. you may have much bigger or stronger hands then me.

however, if this knife is going to be a fighter, the last thing you want to do is compromise your grip. anything that puts a hard thin piece of metal between the very fragile sides of the phalange's where shock force will be applied -is- going to hurt you. and holding onto a piece of barstock is not as stable as holding onto the handle slabs, theres less surface to grip and apply anti-torquing pressure.

you can strike the hand in a lot of ways and keep from hurting it, there's a lot of padding on the underside, and striking a bone straight into it parallel to it's length reduces the likely hood of certain types of breakage and injury.

there is no padding on the side of the index and middle finger.

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Personally, I prefer holding onto the back of the knife for detail work like a chefs knife. I don't go anywhere with a leatherman, so the likely hood of needing a ffbm for extended detail work is slim. and the tips of those things aren't really made for detail work in the first place...

Like I said, I'm not trying to completely vilify the choil. on a chopper, your not likely to need that 1/2" for anything critical, and if the grip works for you on mid sized blades great. I can't really think of a reason for it to be on a 5" blade or less, but I'm sure there are a few.

They just shouldn't be on a fighter.
 
mymindisamob said:
Funny, I've never had all these problems with choils that seem to plague others. On the other hand, I have had problems with the ugliness of the Busses without a choil.;)
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and I whine a lot more then I should about very small things :p:thumbup:

It's just that this is advertised as a fighter, which ranks as a "theoretical use" scenario. and as a theoretical, I take great stock in those small things I don't like.
 
Last Visible Canary said:
and I whine a lot more then I should about very small things :p:thumbup:

It's just that this is advertised as a fighter, which ranks as a "theoretical use" scenario. and as a theoretical, I take great stock in those small things I don't like.
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Go ahead and keep "whining." Your "whines" are actually interesting discourses on knives and their uses. I like them.:thumbup:
 
LVC, not taken as a whine at all. I am not too shy to write what I think design or use wise. We may not agree on all these details, but the discourse is usually very informational and food for thought.
It has been years since I have used a blade for offense/defense (other than conversation), but the choil on Jerry's designs would have been welcome in my style. FYI, you are one of the forumites I would like to see at a chop-in if we could ever get one together close by. I have to respect a guy who accomplishes this with a FBM.
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No beer or energy drinks were hurt in this exercise.
 
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I have never bought a Busse LE, but I might get one of these. I just love the look of it. Do we have any realistic idea of the price?
 
bld522 said:
Best guess? About the same price as two M9's.
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That was my guess, but I'd sure like to be wrong on this one. If it is maybe $400, I will get one. But Jerry knows he can sell his LEs for more. Maybe I will sell my FBM. No, can't do that. I only have six Busses, and I like them all. Oh the steel lust of it all! I may have to sell a gun!
 
Ikarus said:
I see what you mean now, and I agree that this knife would be even better without the choil. I can't see myself using the choil on a knife this size anyway.

Edit: I would like it even more if it looked something like this:


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That's a very stylish and practical modification and it would be my preference in a knife this size but I cannot see the knife coming out without a choil given it is Busse's style.

However....with a choil I would not feel it was a potential hazard as described...and rather feel Jerry's views on the choil not being a "snagging" issue are right...LVC's views seem to be more of a theoretical nature than a likely preactical one...but I do agree with the view that using a grip is more comfortable than a choke grip for close work...this is why I would prefer the no choil design as well.
 
PeterPHWS said:
That's a very stylish and practical modification and it would be my preference in a knife this size but I cannot see the knife coming out without a choil given it is Busse's style.

However....with a choil I would not feel it was a potential hazard as described...and rather feel Jerry's views on the choil not being a "snagging" issue are right...LVC's views seem to be more of a theoretical nature than a likely preactical one...but I do agree with the view that using a grip is more comfortable than a choke grip for close work...this is why I would prefer the no choil design as well.
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Great photoshop job Ikarus...:thumbup: and I can envision a couple benefits.

But will all due respect, Yuck.:cool:
 
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GregS said:
Great photoshop job Ikarus...:thumbup: and I can envision a couple benefits.

But will all due respect, Yuck.:cool:
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+1.

Sorry, but that thing looks wierd.







Not that I know anything about knives, but isn't one of the most famous and historic fighting knives the Randall Model 1? Since, like, 1937?
I notice that it also has a choil.....
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I really REALLY like the looks of the HG55.
 
PeterPHWS said:
LVC's views seem to be more of a theoretical nature than a likely preactical one...
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for whatever its worth, my comments on snagging in the choil are based on general utility use, having experienced it before. but ya, on the fighting side, totally theoretical :o
 
Is it just me or is there similarities between the ST-56 and the HG55? Distant cousins rather than brothers I reckon.

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Jerry Busse said:
BOSS HG55 LE

Satin Finished Convex Grind. . . . Tiger Hide Handles. . . . 1/4" thick. . . . :eek:

Coming soon!!!! :D


Jerry :D


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I like this knife, but since it is quite a bit different from other Busses, I could see it being a big flop if it is priced high. I think there will be some real bargains on the aftermarket.
 
Ok ganza is over .. when's the HG55 coming ?? I cant' wait to see the combos on this one - the double cut and LE are looking real good.
 
The Randalls and other "fighting"/combat knives have a choil as a concession to the fact that the vast majority of their use will be as a general purpose/utility knife, NOT a fighter. As to actual, dedicated, single purpose fighting knives, there are very few. Perhaps the best example is the Fairbairn-Sykes. Long slender double edged blade running back to the guard without any choil. Long enough to stab through most winter gear to reach a vital spot, (stabby), while double edged to slash in either direction and with no choil to snag or hang up on fabric, flesh or bone. An actual fighting knife but unsuitable for general purpose use.
As to Jerry's interesting HG55, (Mil. overrun version), his convex, "bomb proof" tip will snap off at the first deep concave groove from the tip when Noss gets around to breaking one. The saber type spine helps, but the orientation of the grooves of that grind style serve to weaken the blade, similar to a segmented or "snap off" type utility knife blade. Other than looking different, I see none of the genius that Jerry showed with his (love it or hate it) corrugated bevel technology usefully applied with this model.
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Just my $0.02. Pete
 
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