Hinderer heat treats

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Hey everyone! So I'm very well aware that there has been a buzz over the past 2 years or so about how Hinderer and other companies lie about there hrc of there blades I've actually been saddened to hear that lying about hrc is very common among many brands but does anyone know what hinderer treats his Magnacut too? I know it preforms best at at least 62 hrc but I can't find any information on there site and they ignore my emails inquiring about it. Not really surprising considering it's the same company that sues youtubers that test there steel and post about how soft it is
 
He sued the kid? I thought he just sent a cease and desist. I don't really follow knife twitter or whatever though, so perhaps.

Anyhow, it's funny how internet garage knife testers called his 20CV garbage because he runs it too soft, yet there are numerous reports of other companies who I assume run their 20CV harder having chipping issues. Mr. Hinderer might just know a thing or two about making knives for his intended users. If you want a great hard use knife to put through it's paces, I'm sure a Hinderer in Magnacut will serve you well. If you're concerned about the HRC being too soft for the online experts, you should likely look elsewhere.
 
wonkaman4609 said:
So I'm very well aware that there has been a buzz over the past 2 years or so about how Hinderer and other companies lie about there hrc of there blades I've actually been saddened to hear that lying about hrc is very common among many brand
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Examples and evidence please. There is usually/often a 3 or so point spread . Example HRC 59-61 . If you have a knife that is outside the manufacturers advertised spread return it for warranty . Making accusations on a public forum without evidence isn't something I'd recommend to be honest. Reading a blog or watching a youtube video doesn't qualify as evidence of lying.
 
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Examples and evidence please. There is usually/often a 3 or so point spread . Example HRC 59-61 . If you have a knife that is outside the manufacturers advertised spread return it for warranty . Making accusations on a public forum without evidence isn't something I'd recommend to be honest. Reading a blog or watching a youtube video doesn't qualify as evidence of lying.
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I'm not accusing anyone of doing anything. I've heard in multiple forums and on multiple well respected youtube channels including transparent knives. that many companies treat there steels lower them optimum specs on purpose, in some cases to save costs on manufacturing. As far as the Hinderer knives that part. That isn't hearsay. Its well known that Hinderer knives did send a cease and desist letter and pursue a lawsuit to get him to recant his statements on the steel which tested below optimum levels. I don't ever even think he said that hinderer lied about the hrc. I think he simply stated that it was below what was optimum for the steel.
 
The Mastiff said:
Examples and evidence please. There is usually/often a 3 or so point spread . Example HRC 59-61 . If you have a knife that is outside the manufacturers advertised spread return it for warranty . Making accusations on a public forum without evidence isn't something I'd recommend to be honest. Reading a blog or watching a youtube video doesn't qualify as evidence of lying.
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I'm not accusing anyone of doing anything. I've heard in multiple forums and on multiple well respected youtube channels including transparent knives. that many companies treat there steels lower them optimum specs on purpose, in some cases to save costs on manufacturing. As far as the Hinderer knives that part. That isn't hearsay. Its well known that Hinderer knives did send a cease and desist letter and pursue a lawsuit to get him to recant his statements on the steel which tested below optimum levels. I don't ever even think he said that hinderer lied about the hrc I think he simply stated that it was below what was optimum for the steel.
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He sued the kid? I thought he just sent a cease and desist. I don't really follow knife twitter or whatever though, so perhaps.

Anyhow, it's funny how internet garage knife testers called his 20CV garbage because he runs it too soft, yet there are numerous reports of other companies who I assume run their 20CV harder having chipping issues. Mr. Hinderer might just know a thing or two about making knives for his intended users. If you want a great hard use knife to put through it's paces, I'm sure a Hinderer in Magnacut will serve you well. If you're concerned about the HRC being too soft for the online experts, you should likely look elsewhere.
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Did he say it was garbage? All I heard was that he said it was less then optimum for that steel composition. As far as the lawsuit I heard that he actually wanted the kid to read a pre-written apology either way I think he handled it like a child, first going after a kid on youtube and secondly this is America you may not agree with other people's opinions but everyone has there right to voice there's and it doesn't sit well with me when companies try to basically silence people that say negative things about their products. He has the right to his opinions. Also I heard the kid was actually pretty damn educated on steels. Either way it's neither here nor there. From my personal experience I prefer my magnacut to be at least 62 hrc so I was just curious if anyone knew what hinderers specs were. Apperantly noone so far knows.
 
Rotating between 2 magnacut blades right now - one is a hinderer the other is touted as 63 hrc.

drum roll please... They cut, get dull, and sharpen up just the same.

If one is lower than the other I can't tell and you probably wont either.
 
I've got some early Hinderer 20cv, and it's incredibly durable, holds its edge well, and takes an edge as easy as any 20cv I've dealt with. Better than some.
Heard all sorts of bad stories about that hrc too. Maybe I just got lucky? Or maybe for whatever reason, Hinderer attracts that sort of thing.

Anybody with enough experience understands that hrc isn't the end all, be all of steel performance, and you can have two steels at the target hrc with wildly different heat treats that perform worlds different. So a hardness test never tells the whole story.

I'm no Hinderer defender, they are who they are. I don't think they handled the MC debacle well, but I wouldn't let worries about their steel keep me from buying one of their knives if that's what I had my eyes on.

Not buying one because of the way they handle themselves publicly is a different conversation entirely.
 
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Carl_Havoc said:
Rotating between 2 magnacut blades right now - one is a hinderer the other is touted as 63 hrc.

drum roll please... They cut, get dull, and sharpen up just the same.

If one is lower than the other I can't tell and you probably wont either.
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Considering I teardown about 2000 lbs of cardboard a day at my job I can tell you first hand that magnacut blade under 62 hrc definitely won't last as long as one that is, before having to hone and strop it back. Your right most people probably wouldn't notice but most is not all. I would venture to say that if your knife boasting 63 hrc is accurate then your hinderer may be around the same. But then again that depends like you said most people wouldn't notice a difference but for all I know you open two box's a year with your rotation or maybe you use them every day.
 
Its hilarious to me how quickly thisnforum rushes to defend big makers. He sent a shit knife out,nbd, it happens. What DOESN'T always happen is childish temper tantrums. Dudes a dbag, and i don't care enough about his also-ran knives to support wackjobs. That said, the absurd hero worship of a glorified machinist is hilarious.
 
I have a Japanese woodworking knife hardened to over 60HRC. Got chipped real bad when I was using it to carve some Micarta scales I was shaping.
Switched over to a knife run at lower HRC and finished the job.


For "hard use" I want it run a bit softer. Not so soft the edge folds over with great ease or wears away too quickly, but not at the higher limit of what the steel can be run at.

If your job involves cutting insane levels of cardboard, then you probably want a custom made fixed blade with the handle ergonomics, steel and hardness specified by you. You probably want thinner stock than Hinderer uses too.
 
stabman said:
I have a Japanese woodworking knife hardened to over 60HRC. Got chipped real bad when I was using it to carve some Micarta scales I was shaping.
Switched over to a knife run at lower HRC and finished the job.


For "hard use" I want it run a bit softer. Not so soft the edge folds over with great ease or wears away too quickly, but not at the higher limit of what the steel can be run at.

If your job involves cutting insane levels of cardboard, then you probably want a custom made fixed blade with the handle ergonomics, steel and hardness specified by you. You probably want thinner stock than Hinderer uses too.
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You probably want a Stanley utility knife with disposable blades is what you want.
 
Cgw1984 said:
Its hilarious to me how quickly thisnforum rushes to defend big makers. He sent a shit knife out,nbd, it happens. What DOESN'T always happen is childish temper tantrums. Dudes a dbag, and i don't care enough about his also-ran knives to support wackjobs. That said, the absurd hero worship of a glorified machinist is hilarious.
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I agree with ya or how people freak out like I'm bashing the brand I just asked if anyone knew what he treated his magnacut too. You'd think I'd said all hinderer knives are trash. Which I didnt.
 
Transparent Knives is who got the cease and desist letter. He also made quite a bit of money off of the donations he received to fight the hinderer machine, which never sued, and low and behold the money was not returned to my knowledge to anyone that donated to the moron. Nice publicity stunt for TK. I'll let others decide this guy's mental status if you go on Instagram.
 
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