Hinderer MP-1 vs Olamic Wayfarer 247

I tried out an XM-18 before getting the Olamic and for me there was no comparison. The Hinderer felt too "edgy" in the hand for me - there were a lot of sharp corners to the milled G10/titanium as well as the clip, and it just didn't feel good in my palm. The flipping action also wasn't anything to write home about, but it did the job.

By contrast, the Olamic suited my hand much more ergonomically without any of the "sharpness" I found with the Hinderer, plus it came with ceramic bearings, an awesome-looking pocket clip that works as well as it looks, flips open every time I press the tab, and was wicked sharp out the case. It just ticked all my boxes aesthetically and ergonomically. Honestly, I REALLY like this knife. :)

On the price front, I paid $475 for the Hinderer and $495 for the 247, but the latter came with some customizations and can be found for $395 with the plain and simple model. My suggestion would be to try them both out and see which one you like most (I haven't handled the MP Hinderer so maybe it's better than the XM?) because everyone's tastes run different. :thumbup:
 
obvious warning: people's comments about in-hand feel depend on their own hands, not someone else's! See if you can paw examples first if possible
 
jill jackson said:
Wayfarer also has a internal stop pin and ceramic detent ball.
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As much as I really am drawn to try a 247, the internal stop pin is a deal breaker for me. I much prefer the Hinderer's blade mounted stop pin. I don't like the idea of material removed from the blades tang area, and find it more difficult to clean out the internal pocket if gunk is successful in it's relentless advance (requires complete break down instead of simple blow/rinse out). Ditto bearings vs washers.

edit to add: I was thinking about Hinderer XM's. I'd take the 247 over the fugly MP-1 any day.
 
Officer's Match said:
As much as I really am drawn to try a 247, the internal stop pin is a deal breaker for me. I much prefer the Hinderer's blade mounted stop pin. I don't like the idea of material removed from the blades tang area, and find it more difficult to clean out the internal pocket if gunk is successful in it's relentless advance (requires complete break down instead of simple blow/rinse out). Ditto bearings vs washers.

edit to add: I was thinking about Hinderer XM's. I'd take the 247 over the fugly MP-1 any day.
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Can you explain more why the blade mounted stop pin is so preferable? I've heard a few reviewers pine on about this but I'm not sure I follow the advantages beyond cleaning, which you just mentioned.
 
discretion said:
Can you explain more why the blade mounted stop pin is so preferable? I've heard a few reviewers pine on about this but I'm not sure I follow the advantages beyond cleaning, which you just mentioned.
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They're not preferable to everyone. Plenty of knives use internal stop pins and work well for a long time. The external stop pin was hype to sell a "hard use" folding knife, as if someone will use a folder with 5% lockup to tear a car apart.

FYI, there are issues with drilling a hole into a blade and then press fitting thumbstuds/ stop pins into them as much as there are issues with internal stop pins.
 
bodog said:
They're not preferable to everyone. Plenty of knives use internal stop pins and work well for a long time. The external stop pin was hype to sell a "hard use" folding knife, as if someone will use a folder with 5% lockup to tear a car apart.

FYI, there are issues with drilling a hole into a blade and then press fitting thumbstuds/ stop pins into them as much as there are issues with internal stop pins.
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Cannot say I agree with this. The blade-mount stop transfers lateral force directly to the frame, effectively reducing side to side play instead of relying only on the pivot. As for hidden stop pins, they are IMHO an unnecessary reduction of strength as well as a step in the wrong direction for maintenance /cleaning. For those not familiar with how they work (and how they can fail), here's a few pic's seen previously here on BF. They are a Spyderco Southard, not an Olamic.


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Officer's Match said:
Cannot say I agree with this. The blade-mount stop transfers lateral force directly to the frame, effectively reducing side to side play instead of relying only on the pivot. As for hidden stop pins, they are IMHO an unnecessary reduction of strength as well as a step in the wrong direction for maintenance /cleaning. For those not familiar with how they work (and how they can fail), here's a few pic's seen previously here on BF. They are a Spyderco Southard, not an Olamic.


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That's just poor engineering and no, it's not the same type of hidden stop pin that Olamic is using. You presented a false argument. Anyone with half a brain can see that particular blade was set up for failure.

You can also find plenty of cracked blades from external stop pins. I notice you didn't post any of those.

Good engineering is good engineering and bad engineering is bad engineering.
 
Flip a quarter they both look like quality folders that will serve you well in my view. =)
 
I picked one of these two.... should have better ideas about it tomorrow.
 
bodog said:
That's just poor engineering and no, it's not the same type of hidden stop pin that Olamic is using. You presented a false argument. Anyone with half a brain can see that particular blade was set up for failure.

You can also find plenty of cracked blades from external stop pins. I notice you didn't post any of those.

Good engineering is good engineering and bad engineering is bad engineering.
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First off, you are calling the Spyderco Southard bad engineering, and it is one of the more beloved folders out there. I was merely showing how a hidden stop pin works, and the inherent potential weakness of the design (in addition to more difficult cleaning).

I just tried to find a picture of the 247 disassembled and came up empty - feel free to show us the insides if you wish. If it does not have a milled cutout in the blade, but rather in the scales, my apologies to all readers for my error. I have a Medford Viper that has that type of "hidden" stop pin, in which there is still a stop pin mounted in the blade (ala Hinderer or Strider) but that travels in a crescent arc milled in the titanium slabs - I very, very much like that design, as it is uber-strong and not difficult to blow out without full disassembly. Of course, it would be susceptible to the external pin cracked blades you mentioned. ;)
 
The 247 has a stop pin fixed into the blade which runs through tracks in the frames.

Officer's Match said:
First off, you are calling the Spyderco Southard bad engineering, and it is one of the more beloved folders out there. I was merely showing how a hidden stop pin works, and the inherent potential weakness of the design (in addition to more difficult cleaning).

I just tried to find a picture of the 247 disassembled and came up empty - feel free to show us the insides if you wish. If it does not have a milled cutout in the blade, but rather in the scales, my apologies to all readers for my error. I have a Medford Viper that has that type of "hidden" stop pin, in which there is still a stop pin mounted in the blade (ala Hinderer or Strider) but that travels in a crescent arc milled in the titanium slabs - I very, very much like that design, as it is uber-strong and not difficult to blow out without full disassembly. Of course, it would be susceptible to the external pin cracked blades you mentioned. ;)
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