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Hinderer XM-18 Lockup
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Deceptive, I think not. The knife was opened with the flipper with a good twack prior to it being defeated by thumb pressure. STR no matter if it is opened with little effort or snaped open with a wrist flick or the use of the flipper the lock bar does not engage any different.
With a properly executed lock it should not matter how hard, fast, easy, or slow one opens the knife it should lock up the same. (spyderco military comes to mind)
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I did not say that he didn't. Please do not take my comment the wrong way. I probably should not have said it but I am only speaking the absolute truth about Sebenza performance. I was not trying to bash Hinderer.:thumbup:
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You obviously don't understand what I said. Look how timid he opened it. How softly he pushed on the flipper has little to do with what I am speaking of. I'm talking about the actual opening of the blade to engage the lock not the part about putting pressure on it.
I work on a lot of folders. It does matter and most folks know that its best to open it with a good snap to engage the lock properly. If yours is no different either way I believe you but I did not see you flip open the knife. What I saw was a gentle opening and very low sound for the click when the lock engaged. Still though I agree its disconcerting when a lock defeats.
I want to point out to everyone though that its one knife out of many and it does not reflect what you will see and experience with most all XM-18 models. I feel for you that yours is not trustworthy. It is surprising. I'd suggest contacting Rick directly. I'm sure he will fix it up and make it right.
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I just saw this. No, that is not what I am claiming. I claim nothing other than statements about my sebenzas (a small sample size considering
). I said what I said though and that is what it is. I will not go back on it but I probably should not have said it. It does not really have anything to do with an XM-18. Didn't mean to start any trouble, I do not want to argue with anyone. I just do not feel that it is fair to blame the problem on opening the knife like a littler girl or something
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Shit happens. Locks fail. Knives close on fingers. The world is an imperfect place. It's one out of how many that have failed over how long a period of time? I've never heard of an XM-18 having this problem. The bottom line is that there is something wrong with the knife. Whether the problem occurred during production or with the previous owner doesn't matter. Send the knife to Rick and he'll fix it or get another in your hands. It's that simple.
An e-mail has been dispatched to Rick and I will reserve judgement until I hear back.
until then can we keep this civil.
I did not anticipate the animosity that this thread would breed, I was simply looking for opinions and if any one else had a similar experience.
until then can we keep this civil.
I did not anticipate the animosity that this thread would breed, I was simply looking for opinions and if any one else had a similar experience.
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Well said.
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I don't think there is animosity towards you.
Most people feel that you should contact the maker of an obviously defective product before posting it on a worldwide forum.Since it wasn't new it very well could have been altered by the original owner.Makers like Rick Hinderer are highly respected (deservedly so) because of his high qulaity products so sometimes people are leery of these types of posts.
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I don't think there is animosity towards you.
I think that too many "fans of the product" get upset when seeing this. The OP didn't make a Youtube video to spite Rick Hinderer or bash the knife itself. He posted the video so that we could all see the problem that he was talking about and wanted to know if anyone else has ever run into the same problem. Why would anyone get upset over that? If someone comes right out and flames a certain maker or knife I understand the backlash, but in this case the OP seems to have nothing but respect for Rick and his work. Too many people are too sensitive about the products they own. I have no problem with the so-called "fanboys", but sometimes things get out of hand and a bit ridiculous. I know we all love our passion for knives, but sometimes you gotta really pull back and look at things from a bigger perspective. In the end it's just a knife and it can be fixed.
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I don't see any responses that indicated that someone got angry or defensive when he posted the video. I simply suggested that he give Rick a chance to correct it and that the video might negatively affect Rick's reputation for no good reason. But I acknowledged that he didn't do it on purpose. It was just an FYI. So who are you talking about?
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I am not a "fanboy".As a matter of fact I don't even own a XM18.I just pointed out that maybe the maker should have been contacted first.I think anyone that knows anything about folders, much less high end ones , knows there was a problem with that knife.I also don't think anyone got "out of hand or ridiculous".
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what constructive information did your post add?
here's some pics, and a short vid of the lock failing in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NscL93bmxHk
Don't take life so seriously, I was just having fun
Just send the knife in and itll be fixed. People already mentioned this. I wouldnt try fixing it yourself--thats why you have a 400 dollar custom: great warranty
Don't take life so seriously, I was just having fun
Just send the knife in and itll be fixed. People already mentioned this. I wouldnt try fixing it yourself--thats why you have a 400 dollar custom: great warranty
"We interupt normal broadcasting to bring you this important message:
emotions don't come across too well on the net
Like I [posted earlier i have e-mailed rick and waiting until I hear back from him.
My video was not posted to draw any unwanted negative attention to rick or the xm18 in genreal. My post was more out of surprise than a complaint. I am still carring it daily and have complete faith that it will perform as a knife, but I would hesitate to use it in a dire circumstance that may require non linear torque or where a blow to the spine may occur, (ie. car wreck, self defense).
Now back to the regulary scheduled programming"
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"We interupt normal broadcasting to bring you this important message:
emotions don't come across too well on the net
Like I [posted earlier i have e-mailed rick and waiting until I hear back from him.
My video was not posted to draw any unwanted negative attention to rick or the xm18 in genreal. My post was more out of surprise than a complaint. I am still carring it daily and have complete faith that it will perform as a knife, but I would hesitate to use it in a dire circumstance that may require non linear torque or where a blow to the spine may occur, (ie. car wreck, self defense).
Now back to the regulary scheduled programming"
As far as I can tell from what's been shown in this thread, I personally would suggest not carrying and using it. It doesn't appear safe. I suppose it's no less safe than a slip joint, but the idea that it's not doing what it has been designed to do is what bothers me about any knife.
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I was making a general statement that wasn't aimed at any particular person. If had wanted to single anyone out I would have just said a name. No need to get defensive. Why would you think I was talking about you in particular?
The video doesn't hurt anyone. Non knife people aren't going to run out and spend $500 on a knife so only enthusiasts really know of Rick Hinderer's work. These same enthusiasts know that Rick Hinderer is a true craftsman at his trade and that he produces some of the finest knives on the market. So this one video of this one instance when the lock on one of Rick's knives fail doesn't hurt Rick's name at all. His reputation is quite safe.
Once again, I made a general statement. I didn't call you a fanboy. It's not always easy to get in touch with a maker when you need answers right now as to why your $500 knife is not locking correctly. I understand the OP's concern. I was saying that, in general, alot of threads like this can get out of hand and ridiculous.
I'm just using a few comanies as examples, but if someone attacks a Spydie knife on a forum then all the Spydie fans come out of the woodwork to defend it. Same thing with Kershaw, CRK, Hinderer, etc. It's the same thing when people have anything to compare. XBox owners will tell you that it's better than the PS3, but PS3 owners will always defend their system saying it is superior. People who spend any deal of money on an item will usually defend it to the death. Even if something is just average people will defend it as though it is a fantastic product because they spent money on it and need to believe that their choices are the right ones.
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Did I say that you were specifically speaking about me? I said that I couldn't tell who you were speaking about. I explained how you couldn't have talking about me. So I wasn't getting defensive. You read it that way. And if no one in particular acted in the way that you described, then why bring up the subject? Why bring up something not related to anything in the thread? It's no leap to assume that when someone talks about something in a thread like you did, he must have been talking about something or someone relevant to it.
There was an incident where someone posted a picture of a broken Swamp Rat knife earlier this year. The person abused the knife and then posted the picture. Apparently, according to the folks at SWKW immediately got cancellations for some orders that were placed prior to the picture. SW went ahead and analyzed the situation and posted the results, which eventually cleared everything up, but sales were lost for no reason.
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