Hinderer XM-18 Lockup

Kaizen1 said:
Did I say that you were specifically speaking about me? I said that I couldn't tell who you were speaking about. I explained how you couldn't have talking about me. So I wasn't getting defensive. You read it that way. And if no one in particular acted in the way that you described, then why bring up the subject? Why bring up something not related to anything in the thread? It's no leap to assume that when someone talks about something in a thread like you did, he must have been talking about something or someone relevant to it.
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No one else seems to have a problem with what I said or my explanation for why I said it. You are defensive, but for no good reason. I wasn't talking about you, I wasn't alluding to you, I never even said your name. Take it easy. The reason I brought up the subject is that threads like this can spin out of control when fanboys get involved. I thought I stated that pretty clearly in my last post. I said what I said as a preventitive measure. We can drop this now. Unless you'd like to beat the already dead horse.

Kaizen1 said:
There was an incident where someone posted a picture of a broken Swamp Rat knife earlier this year. The person abused the knife and then posted the picture. Apparently, according to the folks at SWKW immediately got cancellations for some orders that were placed prior to the picture. SW went ahead and analyzed the situation and posted the results, which eventually cleared everything up, but sales were lost for no reason.
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I guess I understand this comparison somewhat, but at the same time you aren't telling me which knife it was. Swamp Rat knives range from about $60 for the Rat Tail which is a small fixed blade up to about $500 for the Waki which is basically a sword. This range can permit all kinds of users to purchase Swamp Rat knives. Someone who needs a solid fixed blade for hunting or camping, but who doesn't know much about knives may buy one at a decent budget price.

On the other hand you have the XM-18 by Rick Hinderer which is a $500 knife give or take about $100. How many people that know nothing about knives are going to drop $500 on a folder? None. Also this isn't a situation where the OP snapped a blade by prying or broke the lock by removing the lock stop and bending the lockbar. In this situation the OP bought a knife that is supposed to be a tank and it turned out not to be. The man wanted answers and the best way to do that is to show people the problem and ask what he should do. He showed fellow enthusiasts the problem and people told him he did the wrong thing by posting the video. That's insanity to me. Help the guy out, don't give him shit.
 
That's not the route I'm trying to go at all. All I really want is to see your knife get fixed or a new one in your hand. It's shame when someone has to get the one in a thousand knife that won't lock up. I feel for you.
 
Tony8179 said:
No one else seems to have a problem with what I said or my explanation for why I said it. You are defensive, but for no good reason. I wasn't talking about you, I wasn't alluding to you, I never even said your name. Take it easy. The reason I brought up the subject is that threads like this can spin out of control when fanboys get involved. I thought I stated that pretty clearly in my last post. I said what I said as a preventitive measure. We can drop this now. Unless you'd like to beat the already dead horse.
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So I tell you that I know you couldn't have been talking about me and you continue to tell me that you're not talking about me. You make sense. The issue is dropped.

I guess I understand this comparison somewhat, but at the same time you aren't telling me which knife it was. Swamp Rat knives range from about $60 for the Rat Tail which is a small fixed blade up to about $500 for the Waki which is basically a sword. This range can permit all kinds of users to purchase Swamp Rat knives. Someone who needs a solid fixed blade for hunting or camping, but who doesn't know much about knives may buy one at a decent budget price.

On the other hand you have the XM-18 by Rick Hinderer which is a $500 knife give or take about $100. How many people that know nothing about knives are going to drop $500 on a folder? None. Also this isn't a situation where the OP snapped a blade by prying or broke the lock by removing the lock stop and bending the lockbar.
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Continuing to assert that what gets posted on forums don't affect knife sales doesn't mean anything. I gave a specific example where it did. People who buy Swamp Rat know about knives.

In this situation the OP bought a knife that is supposed to be a tank and it turned out not to be. The man wanted answers and the best way to do that is to show people the problem and ask what he should do. He showed fellow enthusiasts the problem and people told him he did the wrong thing by posting the video. That's insanity to me. Help the guy out, don't give him shit.
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I don't think what he did was anything malevolent. I thought it was honest and there's nothing wrong with that. I pointed out what is a fact (these types of things can, not necessarily will, affect the way potential buyers perceive an item) and he can do with it whichever way he pleases. No one said that he was evil for doing it. But are we not allowed to point that out? We can't point out facts without "giving him shit"? Let me guess, no one actually gave him shit, you were just speaking generally.
 
I just heard back from Rick, he is as concerned as everyone else as to why the lock bar is slipping, as this is the first complaint that he has heard of. Rick even offered to pay for postage both ways.

I will let you know what rick says once he has the knife in hand.

-spidy
 
spidyman said:
I just heard back from Rick, he is as concerned as everyone else as to why the lock bar is slipping, as this is the first complaint that he has heard of. Rick even offered to pay for postage both ways.

I will let you know what rick says once he has the knife in hand.

-spidy
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Thanks for the update and I do apologize for derailing the thread. I take full responsibility for my mistake.
 
spidyman said:
I just heard back from Rick, he is as concerned as everyone else as to why the lock bar is slipping, as this is the first complaint that he has heard of. Rick even offered to pay for postage both ways.

I will let you know what rick says once he has the knife in hand.

-spidy
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Rick is a great guy!! He WILL take care of you. Thanks for letting us know that you contacted him.
 
It is now on its way back from Rick, I have yet to hear as to what was wrong but I will keep you updated, I should have it by wednesday.
 
I've got a response back from Rick. The damage done to the knife as he described it was rather extensive and had to have come from a previous owner (a forum member). When I got the knife it looked to be in excelent condition with no wear visible anywhere. I have a feeling that it was dumped knowing that it was damaged to some extent, however the previous owner may not have known as to how bad.


Hello David,

Sorry, my wife sent out that email. She always likes to let customers know when she ships their knife out. But , I was planning on emialing you to let you know what I found. First, the lock..obviously yes it was over riding the lock. I looked at the Ti lockside lock face and found that the titanium was actually deformed outward. I did take a picture of this and tomorrow when I get them off my camera I can send them to you if you would like to see where I'm referring too. For 6al4v titanium to be deformed in this way that lock had to be under a lot of pressure! When I test my locks on my carry knives here I subject them to a lot of hammering on the back of the blade and I havent gotten that kind of deformation. Also keep in mind that I also carbadize the lock face where as making it even tougher! With the rest of the knife being in very good shape ie, not showing a lot of use where you may see parts wearing. I checked the normal areas that show wear such as pivot,washers and such and did not see hardly any wear,where as this lock was pretty much destroyed. The deformed area had a angle where the titanium was misplaced and this cause the lock to slip under pressure. My theory is this, perhaps because this knife had a early lockup someone tried to force the lockbar over to try to get a better lockup? This type of force could deform that titanium. I have heard of people trying to do that.

Ok, now for the blade stop pin…same thing here…the pin was at a angle..I thought "no problem" I'll just tighten the screw..this happens sometimes…but to my amazement the screw was already tight..the PIN was actually BENT and of course the hole was now oblong because of the steel pin jamming the ti. Also there was a deep gouge in the pin where the blade had dug into it. Honestly I have never seen this happen to one of my XM-18's, and I have refurbed knives that look really bad from use,especially coming back from the sandbox!I've had stop pins come loose but never one bent. I'm thinking someone may have grabbed the knife real hard when it was closed and squeezed the blade into the handle. Are you the original owner of the knife? If you are please I would really like to know what things you did and I will put it into my research!



Now what I did for ya was I went ahead and gave you a new lockside. Like I said the old one I felt was trashed due to the deformed lock. I think I could have made it work but I don’t send stuff out unless I and one hundred percent satisfied with it.Of course you got all new pivot pins/washers/stop pins and such. I'm not going to charge you for this even though I feel the issue with the lock is something other than a bad knife coming from my shop. However because it had a early lockup this may have led to have issue happening.

When I set the lock on the new lockside I set the lock at about 50% lockup.



Thanks David!



Regards,

Rick Hinderer

Rick is the most stand up knife maker that I have dealt with to date, and I would not hesitate to contact him again if I ever need anything else.
 
Very cool. Thanks for the update. I'm happy that guy will back up my XM-18.
 
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