Hogs, please keep an eye out

Status
Not open for further replies.
Sorry about your loss...
That really sucks.
Now,unless you had paperwork inside the box
detailing what they were,chances are
the thief has no idea what they were for.
Very small percentage of the population on the planet know
what a Busse knife is,and fewer yet heard of Leatherman sheath's.
I would venture a guess this was lost.
Lost or stolen doesnt matter,to a smaller company,this is devastating,
I hope you can make it through this ordeal.
Good Luck :fingerscrossed:
 
I am under the impression that insuring your package through USPS is a waste because they just find a way not to pay you or else throw so much red tape at you that you can't wade through it and give up. Hopefully I am wrong. I have never had to make a claim so I DO NOT speak from experience.

Not totally a waste, but they do try to settle it for less, so it's good to insure for more than you would need back. Other folks have had better experiences, so it may depend on the local postmaster. Of course you somehow still have to prove value, and it is a long process, can take 3 months. Private insurance makes much more sense if you ship alot. Much easier to deal with and claims go through faster with less red tape.
 
I cant thank y'all enough for the good words of encouragement! :D

As far as USPS insurance goes it doesnt do me much good as the sheaths are a product that I make. Theres no basis for them to go by for how much each sheath is worth so its a moot point, words from the postal inspector. Custom made items suffer more than any other loss with USPS.

Now, blanket insurance does perk my interest Balislinger! I need to know more!

If they turn up, however unlikely, I will let everyone know. In the mean time I am working double time to make stuff to take up the slack. Things are going to get interesting for a while.

Again, this family ROCKS!!!!!!
 
Dwayne

my first bladeforum post - but hopefully i can inspire a few others. this group seems to be very supportive.

You have hooked me up on multiple sheaths with quite a few in Jan09. So i figured i could help out and "buy" one of the lost sheaths.

paypal sent. Keep up the good work. things will get better.
Jeff
 
As far as USPS insurance goes it doesnt do me much good as the sheaths are a product that I make. Theres no basis for them to go by for how much each sheath is worth so its a moot point, words from the postal inspector.

I would think that the many receipts and invoices you have would provide a basis for the worth of the sheaths.

Out of pure curiosity, and I really don't know the answer myself, how can the USPS refuse to pay out on insured items if they do not require proof of worth at the point of acceptance? As far as I can tell it's a gamble that they usually win on. If I tell them what's inside is worth $1000 and they lose it, they owe me a $1000. Once I give it to them it's in their hands, I have no further control.
 
Question: why is USPS so popular with the HOG family? Seems to be the preferred carrier for the company store, trades, etc. Personally, I think USPS sucks, for many of the reasons listed above. Are the other carriers just too expensive? I have never had UPS or FedEx lose a package on me....
 
I would think that the many receipts and invoices you have would provide a basis for the worth of the sheaths.

Out of pure curiosity, and I really don't know the answer myself, how can the USPS refuse to pay out on insured items if they do not require proof of worth at the point of acceptance? As far as I can tell it's a gamble that they usually win on. If I tell them what's inside is worth $1000 and they lose it, they owe me a $1000. Once I give it to them it's in their hands, I have no further control.

I would agree. Their value is easily determined by documented communication between you and the buyer(s), past receipts, website info, etc. That's what other insurance companies use to determine the value of a shipped item. That you make it yourself sounds like a bogus argument. It's proving its value that matters, to back up the insurance you bought (if you had bought it), and that is easily done. What the PM is telling you is the kind of B.S. that makes dealing with them a hassle when one has a legitimate claim. It's one reason not to rely on USPS insurance. If, for example, you had insured the box, and pressed the issue with them, maybe even begun legal recourse, they would probably the offer to settle with you for less than the insured value. As far as "how can they refuse to pay?" Hey, it happens all the time in the private insurance sphere and the credit markets, I don't think gov agencies are require to act much differently. Take health insurance or property insurance companies, for example. They routinely decline to pay what they should, fight it all the way, sometimes don't pay until you spend hundreds taking them to court, and even then will try to settle with you for less. It's part of the insurance business, and you only avoid it by picking really good insurance companies to deal with--the ones that get the highest customer satisfaction marks. I don't think there's anything that requires the USPS to treat their customers differently than the private sector does.

Question: why is USPS so popular with the HOG family? Seems to be the preferred carrier for the company store, trades, etc. Personally, I think USPS sucks, for many of the reasons listed above. Are the other carriers just too expensive? I have never had UPS or FedEx lose a package on me....

Actually, according to statistics, USPS has a much lower loss percentage than either FedEx or UPS. USPS is also cheaper for most things than either of the private carriers. The 2 big private carriers don't deal any better with their customers than USPS does. Try waiting on the phone forever, getting transferred around, talking to the wrong people, and then nothing happens anyways. The exception is if you are a business customer. Both of the two big private carriers treat their business customers much better than their regular customers. They prioritize that side of their business. So, if you have a business account with either one, you would get much better service than with USPS. But your package is still more likely to be lost by them than with the USPS.

Of course, the odds of loss can be reduced by the type of service you use. That's with any carrier. High end jewelry stores use USPS Registered Mail to ship very high dollar merchandise around the country, because it's the most secure service available from any carrier. It gets put in a vault when you drop it off (every post office has a safe), can only be "signed out" when it is moved, gets stored in a safe at any stop-off location, and is always under the direct responsibility of a postal employee, who is known by who signed out the package last, and is personally liable for its loss. I would venture to say the service may be even more secure than a personal courier with the briefcase cuffed to his wrist.

Using any service from any carrier that requires a signature at the other end, as opposed to just being able to leave the package somewhere, reduces the odds of loss. Putting any kind of tracking on it does as well. In fact, just knowing how the USPS computers read address labels, and printing clearly in the format the computer most easily reads, improves chances of successful delivery as well.

Ultimately though, I have found it cheaper to self-insure. Blanket policies are cheap, and easily pay for themselves once you no longer need to spring for insurance on mailed items through the carriers themselves. For a non-replaceable heirloom type of item though, I would use Registered Mail, just because it's the least likely to go lost or otherwise missing. Oh yeah, and you get better rates through UPS or FedEx with a business account, so if you insist on paying more for the private service, you can still save a little by opening an account under your business. USPS is cheaper though, even if you use a biz account with the privates.
 
Last edited:
Question: why is USPS so popular with the HOG family? Seems to be the preferred carrier for the company store, trades, etc. Personally, I think USPS sucks, for many of the reasons listed above. Are the other carriers just too expensive? I have never had UPS or FedEx lose a package on me....

Balislinger said it very well, but I want to add that I've been shipping knives and sheaths for ten years now and this is the first loss out of thousands of items shipped, thats a darn good record. :)

The post master did give me a good idea that I will use in the future. The first is to use the signature confirmation, the next step up from that is Registered Mail. RM is expensive, about 10 bucks but it is the most secure of all, even over insurance. I'm going to test out the signature confirmation and see how that streamlines the system. Registered Mail seems kind of extreme, but I'm paranoid now. :o
 
Dwayne

my first bladeforum post - but hopefully i can inspire a few others. this group seems to be very supportive.

You have hooked me up on multiple sheaths with quite a few in Jan09. So i figured i could help out and "buy" one of the lost sheaths.

paypal sent. Keep up the good work. things will get better.
Jeff

You are a true gentleman, you have my gratitude. And a "free" sheath down the road.
 
I'll keep my eyes open for sure. Seems like that will be a very specific sheath. I can't imagine any other knives fitting that sheath. It is not like a pouch sheath.
 
Eyes up here too!

PM me your paypal and I would like to help a HOG out as well. Sorry to hear this happened. Nothing worse than a thief!
 
even if they were stolen, it's hard to sell a sheath that you don't know what knife will fit into it... so unless someone is stalking you then stealing it, it's just a loss...
 
Thats the sad part about this whole thing, theres not many knives that the sheath will fit, but theres a lot of knives that the sheath will kind of fit.

When I used to do gun shows I'd get people come up with a knife and start shoving it into any sheath they could reach. 90% of people just want a blade cover. Whoever got them could walk around a gun show and sell them well at 10 to 15 bucks each.

We're a microcosm, a very small section of knife users that know that quality and fit and finish mean a lot.
 
Dwayne,

I don't know you well yet, as I just bought my first sheath from you this week. One of the HG55 sheaths you had for sale on the board.

But I do know Jeff & have a lot of respect for him. If he has the respect for you to help as he has, then there is no way that I can not help also.

Paypal for one of the lost sheaths has been sent.

Good luck & hang in there.
Kimber
 
I know this doesnt make it easier, but

THeres always an upside bro!:)


seems to me that you have made out like a bandit

I mean heck, all the packages you've sent in ten years!

How many thousands did you save over the past ten years for not buying insurance???

Sounds like way more than even the $1,000 retail value of the lost sheaths.


Unfortunately, One way, or the other...

Its the cost of doing business.
 
Don't forget your local swap meets. Not every criminal has caught onto the Ebay bug.

Plus the pleasure of actually seeng the idiot in person :) priceless.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top