Hollywood - Knives worse enemy?

In South Africa the Baddies still use non-locking pocket knives on a daily basis to maim and kill , anything from a SAK to an Okapi , or whatever else is available.

Yes I agree that Hollywood is clueless.

Just saying what happens elsewhere in the world.

Cheers.

Absolutely. I've also heard that Okapis are commonly used as weapons in Jamaica as well.

I forgot to mention the non-locking pruner-style hawkbill pocketknives, like the ones Case makes (or used to make) were commonly used as weapons.

Unfortunately, back in the '90s I saw an incident on TV which, AFAIK, only aired once, that showed a teen who was killed with a standard-sized, red-handled SAK. He had tried to protect his mother from his drunken father, and the father pulled the SAK. The knife was still sticking out of the kid's torso, and he was very clearly dead on the gurney. I remember a cop being interviewed, saying, "He's so drunk I'll bet he doesn't even know what he's done." I'm actually surprised they aired it, without blurring out the victim's face.

Jim
 
Hi! It looks to me many inanimate objects and tools have been invented, designed and constructed by Man with the only purpose to kill other men. The first images which pops up in my mind are the Vickers machine guns and the poisonous gases employed during the WWI. Sure there can be numerous other examples. It’s very hard, for me, to imagine for these any recreational use. So, in my opinion, there are things which are, by original purpose, weapons.

Specifically when it comes to blades and knives, I also see some of these have been invented with the only purpose of being weapons; the first examples which pops up in my mind would be the daggers and the bayonets. With some imagination and some efforts in practice, though, I can figure out for these different “utility” uses (e.g. chop an onion and open K-rations).

Then there are the so called “restricted dangerous goods” or the “prohibited or restricted items”, most of us are familiar with (e.g. when taking a flight). These are not designed to be weapons but, for their inner characteristics could be more easily employed than other inanimate objects and tools to kill or wound other humans. Knives, in my opinion, exactly belongs here.

I see the legislation where I live (and in most of other European countries) tries to take this into consideration. As someone else already said, I personally would blame Hollywood (in a broader sense) only as a contributor for the ban of some specific types of knives, namely the switchblades and balisongs.

In Italy, the origins of an overall “hostility” and suspicion towards knives date back centuries; back to the times when nobility forbade the peasants to carry swords. That was a privilege only allowed to the nobles who were surely happily killing each other and did not step back when it came to pierce some peasants even for futile motives, but they did it “in style” and as “government representatives”. The peasants, for obvious practical and working reasons, were anyway allowed to use knives (albeit with many limitations already found in edicts and in the laws of the time). Soon these became the favourite “assault weapon” of brigands, stalkers, and “hothead” brawlers. The knife became literally the "sword of the poor".

Particularly in Rome, there has been an entire sub-culture who has gravitated around knives fights. In the city of the Popes, the knife was the weapon for excellence to resolve private disputes, especially within the terrible but fascinating world of the so called "Bullies".

The knife, with its ambivalence, is obviously a tool but can be easily turned into a weapon and it has been the protagonist of many bloodsheds with particular significance. In Italy, between the 1600s and the early of the '900, the city of Rome had the sad primacy for knives homicides, at least for those committed during the so called “duelli rusticani” (peasants duels, normally fought with knives).

Drawing a limit between the banned and the lawful has constituted the daily concern for the legislators in every age, precisely because of the ambivalence of the instrument and the nobility and the people alike have always tried to find shortcuts to circumvent the ever-changing laws. How not to remember e.g. the disguised knives of the sail makers or those of the saddles makers, that even had the needle eye to disguise their EDC knives as a working tool in that period? To “get to the knives”, in those ages, didn’t take that much: a second look to the wrong woman, the wine poured from the wrong side (read as an offence) or even a poor hand shake, it was just enough for the typical phrase "tira fora er cortello" (take out your knife).

I think society has evolved for the good for sure in this respect but these memories and history sort of remain ingrained in the imagination of the people. It will take time to delete or mitigate this “bad name” on knives, at least here and a lot depends on "us", the hobbyists, aficionados, hikers, etc.
 
Maybe they gravitate toward the cheapo tactical knives for the same reason you had for starting out with them.
 
Is a knife a weapon if used in self defense?
Yes, just in the same way that a table lamp would be referred to as a weapon if used to brain somebody in self defence.

In my country, the law rests on whether you had the item, be it a knife, hammer, whatever, on you as a means of defence, or if you reached for a perfectly innocent item in extremis. It is about intent.

Certain items are defined as weapons, given that their sole use is for causing injury or death, see firearms. Yes, one can lay down covering fire, but that is a secondary use.

A knife does many useful things, most of them are non-lethal.
 
A knife like this is designed for a weapon. Whether it's ever used as one depends on many factors. But, it's purely designed as a weapon.

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So if you carry a knife for personal protection and self defense purpose only is it considered a weapon? Or would it be considered to be a self defense tool? Yes I know anything can be a weapon. But say I carry a CRKT M16 with the Veff serrations. Is that a weapon, or means of self-defense
 
I don't think it's wrong at all. I think it's wrong to look at all knives and guns as weapons. I also think it's wrong to look down on people for having them for that purpose. I have a knife or two I keep just for that. If I'm going to be out late or have to be some where crappy with crappy people around that might try to harm me. Just to be clear I don't go around looking for a reason to use these things. I'd rather have it and never need it than need it once and not have it.
 
Self defense weapon? Is that contradictive
It's not a contradiction at all. An object can be used as a weapon, whether to attack others or to defend one's self. Maybe a piece of Kleenex can never be a weapon. But if something is specifically designed to stop/hurt humans or animals, then it is a weapon.

If something is designed specifically as a tool, such as a typical non-locking traditional pocketknife, or a screwdriver, but is used against another person, then it becomes a weapon when used as such. Otherwise, it could be classified by others as a tool that is a potential weapon.

Jim
 
So if you carry a knife for personal protection and self defense purpose only is it considered a weapon? Or would it be considered to be a self defense tool? Yes I know anything can be a weapon. But say I carry a CRKT M16 with the Veff serrations. Is that a weapon, or means of self-defense
A weapon is a weapon . Used for hunting or suicide ,in either defense or offense or bluff . Weapon , weapon , WEAPON !
 
So all knives and guns are weapons. Because you can kill with them. If that's all that makes a weapon then everything is a weapon
A rock, trash can, rubber gloves, toothpicks, a sack of door knobs and certainly automobiles
 
A knife is a tool for cutting stuff. Period. What that stuff is is up to the user. Some knives are designed for specific purposes, and only really do one job really well. For instance, daggers excell at penetration, this can be a putting a hole in a belt, or a bad guy. Some knives are wicked slicers, this can be a burglar, or your ham. Some are powerful choppers, be it a log or a leg. Almost any design can be pushed into service in some task(within reason) that it was not really designed for, and still perform at least adequately. Intent, and technique, are the purview of the operator.
 
So all knives and guns are weapons. Because you can kill with them. If that's all that makes a weapon then everything is a weapon
A rock, trash can, rubber gloves, toothpicks, a sack of door knobs and certainly automobiles
Yes ! But some objects are purpose built to be ONLY weapons . Most stuff has other primary uses . The only difference in real life is in determining intent and in how efficient a given object functions as weapon .
 
I like weapons, I hike a lot in remote areas. I arm myself with a firearm designed as a weapon, a knife I consider a fine protective weapon. I often carry another knife as well, to cut things with, in order to keep my weaponized knife keen and sharp. These items make me feel, prepared and capable. I like that feeling.
 
We live in a time where certain patterns of 0's and 1's are considered weapons, under national and international laws. Our next great war may be triggered by the enter key on a keyboard. Are we really debating the definition of a weapon for the last 7 pages?
 
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