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Honest opinion from a new Buck owner...without any bias one way or another

I know I dont know about Buck knives as much as you guys do...but from a personal point of view it seems really silly to voice quality concerns on a public forum without showing what the problem is.

If its the rocker pin then thats by design and not a fault...

A post like...

This pin sits proud... is that normal? with a picture of the offending pin. Then we could answer and Bucks name need not be dragged though the mud unnecessarily.

Just my humble opinion...
 
Buck 110,
I'm with you. I would gladly pay a price bump if quality went up.

Maybe they could have a "Gold" line or something that got extra QC attention and had a higher price to pay for that.

I was bummed about my Custom shop knife and would have gladly have paid more for that to have been a good first experience! (Thanks again to 334 Dave for making that right for me!)

I wish them the best.
 
Buck_110 said:
Dave:

You know me very well...before I ever posted here. We speak on the phone, exchange, and trade Buck items. You know I don't bash Buck, but merely divide them into two categories: pre-1999 and post 1998. You know what I collect, chase, and use. If were talking pre-1999, you know I'll stand at your side and argue 'til the death; but I do retreat on the post 1998 issues. Wanting, hoping, and wishing things were different, unfortunately will not change things at Buck. History clearly shows that once quality evaporates, it doesn't return...sadly. This is true for EVERY company, no matter the product.

As Buck is struggling to put together a quality workforce, consumers are continuing to purchase their products. These people don't want to hear excuses, and have got a bad taste in their mouth from their sub-par Buck purchase. Once people have gotten stung, it is rare they will return to get bit again. By the time Buck (hopefully) returns to producing high quality, these one time consumers have moved on to other brands. The longer the process takes, the higher and steeper the mountain they must turn around to climb to get back to the top...if at all possible.
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yes my friend i do... and i agree there are some quality issues,
yes i have sent in knives that i felt needed some attention..
and yes one twice the 2ed time to joe and it WAS fixed that time
oh boy was it fixed!
and i agreee most heartly with you that things need addressing
and if here then were else ... we KNOW they read what we say
we here are a core group
you know i will jump both feet and and a stink bomb on a bashing
and i have not as this is not a bashing ...

i know that buck needs to do some thing but what
any thing will take time

i wish we could be a little more reserve on things
dirty and scratched are one thing
mis mached wood is NOT a falt on a basic knife at all , run of stock..
i have bought box knives and opened them to look at wood and never bought one i did not like
a cam pack is a gamble and if he did not know that
well i wont go to vegas with him...

you said "Wanting, hoping, and wishing things were different, unfortunately will not change things at Buck. History clearly shows that once quality evaporates, it doesn't return...sadly. This is true for EVERY company, no matter the product."

this is what i fear also a decline... and us talking a lot on it i feel could turn a lot of folks off on buck which would acelrate the sprial..
there are a lot of knife lovers that check in on us here
i would rather put on a loyal face and stand by my team and in emails talk of the issues we dont like ... and let Joe know also

i dont collect other knives or viset the pages
so i dont know if this goes on on other brand forums
does it?

if so then i guess i wont feel so bad
and it does serve a purpose in letting joe know some one found poop
i only wish it could be said and then droped not disected
some times it is too much like air drying skives with
hash marks in public to sute me
that when some one says this happened that
it is human nature to say me to..
makes me sad...
 
chickentrax said:
It's been years since I've had a good fork... :rolleyes:
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Go easy on the Hobo:) Mine is now in our diaper bag so my Wife can better feed the kid while on the road (plastic forks are a very bad thing!)

Now I do have a very limited edition Korean Army Spork! I would like to see more of those out there:rolleyes:
 
The point being, is that I personally would GLADLY pay $75.00 for a standard production 110 today that exhibited the quality of yesterday.
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Like I said before, I think the price of 1968 quality would be more like $250 in today's dollars.....what vintage are you talking about?
 
With the improvements in manufacturing I don't think it would cost that much more.

I see your arguement about costs going up. However, some things (CNC machines, laser cutters) have helped to bring the cost of some things down or at least kept them in line.

Labor and materials have gone up, yes. However, I just don't think you can draw as direct of an assumption as you have.
 
ohen cepel said:
Go easy on the Hobo:) Mine is now in our diaper bag so my Wife can better feed the kid while on the road (plastic forks are a very bad thing!)

Now I do have a very limited edition Korean Army Spork! I would like to see more of those out there:rolleyes:
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Hey OC, I feel your pain. Check out this post: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4228525&postcount=30

Anyway, yes, most of my small collection may be displayed or boxed. But most all of them have fine scratches on bolsters from fondling.
Right at this moment, I am looking at the 110 knives on my desk:

Sambar Stainless Damascus
Irish Asian Buffalo BG-42, Buckcote, Damascus
Koa BG-42
110AG woody
and a standard Idaho

All are users except the Sambar and Koa.

MHO is that all exhibit solid quality. I do expect that the cosmetics of my knives be acceptable (that is subjective to each perosn). One thing I wouldn't like would be wobble or bad grind. I'm more concerned with those aspects for a user. Your mileage may vary.
 
I have to wonder about the new people Buck has hired...In many instances, if a State assists your company in relocating, they require you to hire workers sent by the local/state employment agencies, and the state will pay half their wages...so your company only has to pay the other half...this very system is how I got through four years of Millwright Apprenticeship...It's beneficial to all parties involved, but makes it quite difficult to hire "quality" workers...You're basically stuck with what they send you...

My company is no longer stuck with me...they went out of business... :(
 
In Australia the retail price in my local hunting store for a standard 110 is $140 (about $110 US) :grumpy: and for that money I would expect a nice knife all around. Luckily though there is places like ebay where I can buy a standard for around $40 including post from the states.

I now collect these knives and love them and so far have been lucky to receive all of mine in perfect condition, but if I ever have a problem with one I trust Buck will put it right. :thumbup:
 
ohen cepel said:
With the improvements in manufacturing I don't think it would cost that much more.

I see your arguement about costs going up. However, some things (CNC machines, laser cutters) have helped to bring the cost of some things down or at least kept them in line.

Labor and materials have gone up, yes. However, I just don't think you can draw as direct of an assumption as you have.
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Maybe not as direct an assumption as I have made, and maybe not $250.....but I have a strong feeling that if they could make a 1968 quality knife and sell it for $75--it would be on the market.

Yes, improved technologies have brought costs of many products down....but in most cases, there have been negative consequences of other kinds.

All you have to do is compare the products to see it......the only question is the number of dollars it would take to produce prior levels of quality.

The fact that they don't even attempt it is pretty telling.
 
Jollyjumbuck said:
In Australia the retail price in my local hunting store for a standard 110 is $140 (about $110 US) :grumpy: and for that money I would expect a nice knife all around. Luckily though there is places like ebay where I can buy a standard for around $40 including post from the states.

I now collect these knives and love them and so far have been lucky to receive all of mine in perfect condition, but if I ever have a problem with one I trust Buck will put it right. :thumbup:
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wow a real buck-a-roo! yeppie-i-o-ky-a!!!:D :p hee hee hee
 
Rocinante,

above you said "but I have a strong feeling that if they could make a 1968 quality knife and sell it for $75--it would be on the market."...

I'm assuming that means that you believe these knew knives are "inferior" to older versions. If that is true, wouldn't it be easier just to tell a new user that this is the case. "Buck 110 knives have stayed competitively priced, but have suffered in quality." Is that the reality in your eyes?

You also said in your first reply to my post...

"The good news is that you can get a beautifully hand-finished custom 110 with special materials in the handles and blade and bolsters of your choice for far less than the $250 a normal one should cost."

Well when I priced out some custom knives from the custom shoppe, they came in just around 75 dollars. So the question is, do you believe these custom 75 dollar knives are ALSO inferior to the older versions? Because if not, then obviously buck can make a higher quality knife for 75 dollars. So it only goes with logic to assume that you could then mass produce this knife at the same high quality but at a cheaper price...say 55 dollars?

So far, I have gotten a bunch of really good responses, but it seems you are saying two totally opposite things to me.

One being that the I can buy a "great quality" knife from the custom shoppe but never really admitting outright that in your eyes, it is a step down in quality from say a 1968 knife.

This is the type of info that is valuable to a new buyer like myself. Why not just tell us this info so that we can look into buying a used 1968 knife instead of just saying "be happy with this gift that Buck offers to you for forty dollars and don't worry about it".

In essense I'm thinking that bringing some of these opinions out in the open could very well restore the quality that you believe was present in previous versions.

Doesn't that sound right? :)
 
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