Hope Simon will do the right thing?

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Ken44 said:
Yes, the gap was there when he got it. You can also see it in Todd's pics, but it doesn't show as well in those because of the strong lighting on a shiny object.

One of my custom slipjoints has a gap in the backspring as well, but it is a simple shadow pattern so it doesn't bother me one bit.
But if I got a custom with Mammoth Ivory and bolster I'm not sure I would be happy with a gap like that either. I don't think I would send it back, but I'm not really sure. I definitely wouldn't like it on a knife that fine.

At this point the buyer does not want the knife back. I doubt he will ever want a knife from someone that put a scammer label on him when that was not his intent. Yes, he should have taken another knife at half price, but I think he was afraid it could have a problem too, and it cost a lot to get a knife into his country just to find out. He just wanted a refund.

If Customs or the shipping service hadn't damaged the knife on the way back this wouldn't have been a problem. Had the knife not had a gap this wouldn't have been a problem.

I'm thinking he didn't feel he should pay the insurance since the knife had a problem. But I think he should've paid it anyway, or asked Todd too. Maybe they could've split that cost.
There were definitely some communication problems, as there often are in these case's.

If Todd, I think I would issue a refund and sell the knife for $300 less than original price. That would be the same(money wise) as giving the buyer $300 back which he was offering to do. Todd would have to fool with reselling the knife, but the money would be the same. I would do that just to end this and be done with it.

If Todd, I would also never ship abroad again. If I was a maker I don't think I would. To many things could happen to a knife that goes through Customs and/or a shipping service.
Then again, how was Todd supposed to know it was going abroad since he was given a US address ???
The buyer should've maid it clear that it would be going through a shipping service to get to China.
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The gap your referring to looks to be about 5/10 of a .001. The relieved liners right above is .005 deep.
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bhyde said:
Simon-

There are a few issues with achieving perfection to the level I think you are wanting. The gap is being magnified by the way Todd blends the surfaces together, raising some microbur in the process. The bolster doesn't look bent to me, it just looks like the burr is of varying size.
Rick is definitely right, there does need to be some room for the mechanism to actually work. I would wager that I couldn't get a .003in shim in the gap you are referencing. Mating surfaces in metal are a difficult thing to achieve perfection as any imperfection will be magnified with light, and in this case, lack of light. Especially on anything with a highly polished surface.(light reflecting off of and through mating surfaces). Using macro mode on a camera to capture it, certainly illustrates your point much better..You will have to remember that anything under magnification will look ugly.

Anything can be done for a price and for many knifemakers, what you are wanting is probably going to cost much more than what you paid..I would venture to say about 2-3x

I don't think you are a scammer, but I do think that your expectations are a little unreasonable. Even if the gap were perfect, a gap will appear with use. As with all things, nature as well as physics takes what it needs. No more and no less.

I hope both parties can solve this :)
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geezus himself couldn't make one much tighter!
 
Corskin
RESOUNDINGLY
Hit it on the "NOSE"

I do think, however, because you provided a U.S. shipping address to the seller, you assume all responsibility for the knife once it arrived at the address that you provided. Once it got there, the sellers obligation had been fulfilled.

The maker did his part and WENT above and beyond to make you happy..
Holy molly is my IGNORE LIST Growing......
Absoluteley Unreal what is transpiring with this transaction..????
 
If it wasn't scratched, I would say it could be returned. The fact of the matter is that it was damaged from someone other than the seller and by someone not hired by the seller. Once that happened, the knife was unable to be returned in original condition thus eliminating the ability to return.
 
simonxm said:
Sorry. I know the rules to return the knife in the condition it was shipped. I never had a reply with explanation of why Todd did not reply me.

All the people here seem to be thinking turn down a offer of 800 for 2 Davison's knives are either mad or stupid. But can you accept a reluctant offer? You may, I may not! I want to be fair.

Can I just walk away from this after so many accuses with refund or with knife? It makes me suck an idiot acting and explaining why I'm so stupid to turn down and want a refund?
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You didn't receive a reply to why the knife had a slight gap?? Todd said he was sorry that you weren't happy and offered a refund, and then a new knife. Those were your options and you denied having the problem corrected. For you to say to Todd, that the knife wasn't $800 quality but for $500 you could have looked past the issue, is a giant slap in the face, just the same as him calling you a scammer.

If your end game is to only get an answer to why the gap was there in the first place, how about this answer. You are a member on Blade Forums, you've researched makers of knives enough to settle in on one of Todd's knives so you certainly understand that Todd, along with every other maker, is making these all by hand, on a workbench in his shop. These are not built to NASA specs using million dollar machines and materials.

That's the reason there was a gap to begin with.
 
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At this point i think we are running circles. And no matter what is said all i see from the buyer is more of the same "i cant accept this" stuff. So this bega the question. Simon what do you want? That is really what needs to be asked and answered for.
 
simon you damaged the knife now you want a refund pull some bs excuse about a hairline on bulster that has to move to engage the blade.if its to tight it will creat problems in the future.then you cry like baby till you get it.grow up be a adult.its a 800$ knife that is as perfect as it gets.knives that go triple the price arent that perfect..it was damaged in youre possession now you own it.now you are scamming youre way to a full refund wich he will not do cause of the damage.the I dont no were it came from excuse doesnt jive here.
 
rickmenefee said:
geezus himself couldn't make one much tighter!
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That's a bit of an exaggeration, Rick. Maybe you were joking.

Not saying it's common, but I've had a hand made Otha that was so tight you couldn't see were blade met bolster with a magnifying glass. Had a Jerry Halfrich like that too. Seen plenty at Blade over the years that you couldn't see a gap by naked eye no matter how hard you looked, and with most all top slipjoint makers you can't see light when you look through. I've also had a Moki that tight. Maybe God himself had a hand in all of those:p

I can live with gaps like that, but some can't on an $800 knife. I wouldn't like it though. I do have one shadow pattern with a slight gap(not the one in avatar), and it doesn't bother me one bit on a sub $500 knife.

Not saying the buyer shouldn't have taken Todd's offer. I think he should have. I also think he should've insured it on the way back, but I can see why he didn't want a single bladed $800 knife with a gap like that.
 
Ken44 said:
That's a bit of an exaggeration, Rick. Maybe you were joking.

Not saying it's common, but I've had a hand made Otha that was so tight you couldn't see were blade met bolster with a magnifying glass. Had a Jerry Halfrich like that too. Seen plenty at Blade over the years that you couldn't see a gap by naked eye no matter how hard you looked, and with most all top slipjoint makers you can't see light when you look through. I've also had a Moki that tight. Maybe God himself had a hand in all of those:p

I can live with gaps like that, but some can't on an $800 knife. I wouldn't like it though. I do have one shadow pattern with a slight gap(not the one in avatar), and it doesn't bother me one bit on a sub $500 knife.

Not saying the buyer shouldn't have taken Todd's offer. I think he should have. I also think he should've insured it on the way back, but I can see why he didn't want a single bladed $800 knife with a gap like that.
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I fully agree with above. However because there is extra damage that was caused when the buyer was responsible for it, that makes it non returnable.
 
The "face" situation appears as though it might be resolved. Anything further directed at tearing into Simon will likely just inflame things more. Why not let the two of them work this out now, without going back to square one again?
 
Sam Wilson said:
The "face" situation appears as though it might be resolved. Anything further directed at tearing into Simon will likely just inflame things more. Why not let the two of them work this out now, without going back to square one again?
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^^^ :thumbup::thumbup:
This, is an excellent suggestion, Sam Wilson!
 
Bull shit - I have them all. The spring has to move. So how wide is the gap??? You know the liners are milled .0005! If you speaking of the gap behind were the liners are milled put your money were your mouth is. I'm in
Ken44 said:
That's a bit of an exaggeration, Rick. Maybe you were joking.

Not saying it's common, but I've had a hand made Otha that was so tight you couldn't see were blade met bolster with a magnifying glass. Had a Jerry Halfrich like that too. Seen plenty at Blade over the years that you couldn't see a gap by naked eye no matter how hard you looked, and with most all top slipjoint makers you can't see light when you look through. I've also had a Moki that tight. Maybe God himself had a hand in all of those:p

I can live with gaps like that, but some can't on an $800 knife. I wouldn't like it though. I do have one shadow pattern with a slight gap(not the one in avatar), and it doesn't bother me one bit on a sub $500 knife.

Not saying the buyer shouldn't have taken Todd's offer. I think he should have. I also think he should've insured it on the way back, but I can see why he didn't want a single bladed $800 knife with a gap like that.
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It is Simons' knife now.. refusing the gracious offer is self-inflicted wounds.


Game over
 
rickmenefee said:
Bull shit - I have them all. The spring has to move. So how wide is the gap??? You know the liners are milled .0005! If you speaking of the gap behind were the liners are milled put your money were your mouth is. I'm in
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I guess you weren't kidding.
I spoke the truth in my post. I'm not a liar. Not going to argue with you about it.
Have a good day.
 
I spoke the truth also. Im sure no liar! You might not be aware natural handle material like IVORY expands and contracts. Which causes gaps!!!!!! at different times thru the life of the knife. Don't let the cat get your tong know! How big is the gap??
 
rickmenefee said:
I spoke the truth also. Im sure no liar! You might not be aware natural handle material like IVORY expands and contracts. Which causes gaps!!!!!! at different times thru the life of the knife. Don't let the cat get your tong know! How big is the gap??
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You know I'm aware that natural handle materials can expand and contract. Mostly contract.
That takes time though(if properly stabilized), and this knife was brand new.

You seem a bit ill with me in the way you're acting as if I know nothing about knives, and all of those...!!!!!!.
I'm sorry if I offended you in any way.

I won't post again. I'm certainly not helping the thread(buyer or seller) at this point.

Not sure there's anything any of us can do to help at this point.
 
Will you sure as hell did offend me. You don't know what your talking about. You don't think going from the southern us to china something might change!! I have ivory knives from makers who most consider the BEST you can put a business card between the liner and spring certain times of the year.

Ps
you basically called me a liar. How big is that gap?
 
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rickmenefee said:
Will you sure as hell did offend me. You don't what your talking about. You don't think going from the southern us to china something might change!! I have ivory knives from makers who most consider the BEST you can put a business card between the liner and spring certain times of the year.
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You seem to have a real attitude problem here, man. And this is not helping Todd Davison's situation at all. I think that was the point of this thread, to resolve HIS situation, not start/deal with new ones. Why don't you take a breather.

Sam Wilson
 
I didn't see Ken44 or anyone else say or imply that, but that's just me. Regardless, none of this is helping Mr. Davison's situation, and is likely making it worse.
 
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