Hope you're proud of yourselves!!

[thombrogan]

Why is this in GB&U? Did AR Fan have dealings with Buck Knives or the People's Republic of China which pleased, angered, or soured him?

 

[Cougar Allen]

Gentlebeings, let's try to remember we're talking about ideas here and not about each other. For instance, you could have said, "I think that idea is completely moronic," couldn't you?

 

[tricker]

with bush as our president, i'd say the chinese made the right move not letting US vessel enter their ports....."China recently has expressed concerns about U.S. arms sales to Taiwan and Bush's October presentation of a Congressional gold medal to the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader."....hell bush sent fighter jets somewhere up in canada on 9/11

 

[Dr. Mudd]

you are complete moron......i'll bet half the stuff in your house....or more likely trailer is made outside the US. thanks for spouting off about the ethics of knife buying when it is highly unlikely you follow the same rules.

Kind of touchy this afternoon, aren't we?

 

[Bob W]

especially after the Chinese would not allow our sailors to dock in Hong Kong for Thanksgiving.

Uh, in case you don't follow the news, the Chinese government quickly reversed their decision and announced that the USS KittyHawk could dock in Hong Kong. But the US Navy decided to dock in Japan instead.

Do Chinese aircraft carrier groups dock in U.S. ports?

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Do Chinese workers, fighting to make a living in their new industrial cities rather than starving in their impoverished countryside, decide which ships dock in Hong Kong? I deride the simplistic thinking that makes every issue a dealbreaker. Embrace subtlety: it makes the world a much more interesting place. And may even lower your blood pressure.

 

[Bob W]

Until big mouth starts using a made in the USA computer, he's nothing more than a sniveling hypocrite.

I buy American when I can, but often there isn't a choice. When's the last time you saw an American-made computer keyboard?

Thumbs-Up to Buck Knives for clearly marking their American-made products at their website. :thumbup:

 

[JD Mandrell]

I buy American when I can, but often there isn't a choice.

Bob, there is always a choice for folks that take the all or nothing attitude of the original poster. It's called total boycott. But then he would actually have to give up something to live what he preaches.

His juvenile willingness to insult others, while he does the very thing he is mouthing off about, makes him a hypocrite.

 

[DaveH]

I find it ironic that most of the people that get angry about things getting made in china and buying american are too friggen cheap to become a paying member here.

 

[rtoo]

unfortunately, china isn't the problem. companies are going overseas because they can't afford to pay the unions their ridiculous fees for pensions and healthcare. didn't chrysler or somebody just have to pay 55billion for some retirees? how is a company supposed to stay competitive when they have to pay that kind of money? i think toyota paid for like 4 pensions, as in 4 people.

at some point this country is going to have to wakeup and realize unions are a thing of the past and archaic. in today's world you can't survive as a business paying for all the associated costs to hire an american.

until people learn to be responsible for their own retirement (401ks, investments, etc) and stop relying on their companies we're going to see more product coming from overseas.

 

[HoB]

Mmmmh, I have the feeling that this message, as questionable as it appears to me, is totally misplaced on bladeforums. Among my possessions there is an innumerable quantity of items that are made in China, but in my meager collection of knives only 1 knife is made in China which represents about 3% of the knives currently in my possession. Clearly an abnormally small percentage of chinese made products and that despite the fact that I don't really base my purchases on land of origin. I would assume that the same holds true for many, if not most BF members. I think the OP would be a lot better served to try and spread his message on a computer forum......good luck .

 

[GronK]

rtoo, there's a whole 'nother side to that story too, but this is obviously not the forum for it.

 

[Steely_Gunz]

My experience with the Chinese made Bucks is limited to my X-Tract. You know, when I bought it, I didn't realize until after I got it back home that it was made in China.

Of course, the first thing that went through my head was "Yuck! This knife can't be that good." Then I felt utterly stupid since I had just handled the knife at the store marveling at how it felt in my hands and completely missing the "CHINA" stamp on the side of the blade.

The short of it is that this knife walks and talks just like any other high quality Buck product that I have ever handled. The action of the tools is smooth, the fit is tight, the finish is fantastic. The blade came shape and evenly ground. From what I understand, Buck (like Spyderco's Byrd line) has an exacting standard of quality that they are very rigid about when it comes to their off-shore products.

My gripe with companies that manufacture products over seas is not that they are not made in America, but that they often times do it to cut cost and increase production count at the cost of inferior results. From what I have seen, Buck is doing just fine keeping up the expected quality of their products.

What tickles me is that many people that scream "Buy American!" to the heavens, do the majority of their shopping at Walmart and their ilk, which IMHO does more to harm small business in America (90% of our total business) than the major manufacturers.

I digress.... I am of the mindset that I will try a product and accept or deny it based on how it performs, not on where it is made. China has a long way to go socially and politically before I'll get the warm and fuzzies from buying a product made there, but I trust our American companies to do what needs to be done to offer us a product that is cost effective and of the highest quality. Buck has proven this to me, and until I see otherwise I will continue to buy Bucks (and Spyderco/Byrd) products regardless of origin of manufacture. I bode no ill feelings to the Chinese worker trying to do what every man on Earth does by scratching a living day by day.

 

[oldfogey]

Just a little something to think about.............even the so called "American made" products usually aren't. They may be assembled here in the US, but they ALL have component parts that come from all over the world, hence, our "global" economy. I'd be willing to bet that a large percentage of those parts come from China.

 

[spiralarchitect]

Deleted...on second thought....I'll leave this be.

 

[Bob W]

Just a little something to think about.............even the so called "American made" products usually aren't. They may be assembled here in the US, but they ALL have component parts that come from all over the world, hence, our "global" economy. I'd be willing to bet that a large percentage of those parts come from China.

For a product to be labeled "Made in USA", the FTC rules dictate that "all or virtually all" of the components must be from the United States. "All or virtually all" means that all significant parts and processing that go into the product must be of U.S. origin. That is, the product should contain no — or negligible — foreign content.

Honda got in trouble for that a few years ago, placing "Made in the USA" logos on motorcycles and mowers that were assembled in the USA from imported parts. As a result, their products, even those assembled here, cannot say "Made in the USA." It's the same reason the Harley Davidson motorcycles are not labeled "Made in the USA" either.

 

[wh4f]

unfortunately, china isn't the problem. companies are going overseas because they can't afford to pay the unions their ridiculous fees for pensions and healthcare.

I'm not going to get too involved here but ask a few things:

How many knife companies are union? What if Buck isn't union, then whats to blame next????

What percent of the US workforce is union? 14% maybe?
So 13% of the country is to blame for the whole countries problems?

I think people should buy what they like and where ever the heck they like (as long as its legal) without someone getting their panties in a bundle about what other people do or how they do it... In other words mind your own business? As long as it ain't in my house, go right ahead

 

[JimConvex]

I'm not going to get too involved here but ask a few things:

How many knife companies are union?

What percent of the US workforce is union? 14% maybe?
So 13% of the country is to blame for the whole countries problems?

I think people should buy what they like and where ever the heck they like (as long as its legal) without someone getting their panties in a bundle about what other people do or how they do it...

I'm not going to get too involved either but I think that both Schrade and Camilius were Union.

I also think that Buck is non-union.

You can draw any conclusions you want.

Jim

 

[wh4f]

I'm not going to get too involved either but I think that both Schrade and Camilius were Union.

I also think that Buck is non-union.

You can draw any conclusions you want.

Jim

I do not argue those facts. Now I want rtoo to explain how he draws his conclusions?

Buck is non union, yet he blames the union for making Buck move overseas?
Theres more to this story that just unions... Gov't, energy costs, etc....
Buck moved from CA to avoid some of these problems.... The reason for the move of some production to china???
These threads are as bad as the strider threads....

 

[trimcut123]

AR fan... whats ur take on this. You start a "Troll" type thread, and dont voice ur opinion. Just wonderin....?