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"Horizon" 2014 new knives Lightning quick opening, from china Reate custom knives inc
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Zt 560 is close, and then there are millions (well, dozens) of other Ti flippers with bearings, such as the Domino, Southard, etc. Actually, the M390 ZT 777 was only $30 more when it was in production.
And at the $350 range, you get into the vast world of true customs.
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Man, you are totally right. I mean they copied that it has handles with texturing, a blade, a flipper, and bearings... Totally different knives. These have a gentle recurve, very different texturing, different (looks a lot thinner) bearings, completely different clips, a lock insert, and different steel, along with a generally different style.
People need to stop reaching into their butts to call anything Chinese made that shares any aspect, no matter how slight, a knockoff.
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So...nothing, eh?
And for $350, good luck getting a true custom with 3D machined full-Ti with a steel like M390.
And for $350, good luck getting a true custom with 3D machined full-Ti with a steel like M390.
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We were just comparing products -- I was talking about Kizer, he was talking about Zero Tolerance.
Anyhow, I think that this is the first most people are hearing about this company and their knives, so it doesn't really make sense for them to start out with relatively very expensive knives, at least not when similar knives, with similar materials, cost far less. I think the reception would have been a lot better if they were priced at 120-200$. Maybe it's the steel that makes them so expensive, I don't know.
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Couldn' t agree more.
Also, I don' t think it can be justified to complain about the pricing based on the specs alone. I assume nobody here has handled one before so we can' t really compare the quality to anything right now.
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I believe $350 is for the M390 Horizon-A with M390 steel. Regardless, problem is that the upcoming similarly-sized Zero Tolerance 0562CF with titanium framelock, M390 and CF on reverse handle will have a street price of around $240! Beyond the price, with ZT, you have a US-made product with excellent warranty & service. As is, game, set and match to ZT!
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As far as I can tell... He has a proper membership, has been respectful to everyone so far yet he's getting attacked because of politics and where he's from. Many people acknowledge that they are capable of making quality knives, and urge them to come up with their own designs. Well, here it is. At least give him the benefit of the doubt. As far as it mirroring the 0560, there are a myriad of American customs and midtechs that come even closer to Hinderer's designs so I do not see a problem here and I do not even see it being a copy at all. You may disagree with the price, where it's made, and will altogether pass on his products but the guy deserves the same respect he's given. So he's not American, is that a good enough reason to act hostile towards someone here? If you're not interested then move along, don't buy it and support YOUR beliefs, no need to troll the guy.
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This knife shares similar features, but otherwise isn't any less original than dozens of other Ti flippers made in the US. Many of Kizer's knives are far more copy/pasta. It's not usually 'slight' when people call attention to it, but it might be in this case. You can't deny that this knife shares many similarities with many other models though; I don't think it's quite at the point where you can say it's heavily influenced or a blatant copy of another model though.
SpydercoBenchmadekid, this knife is M390, not S35VN.
These knives look extremely well finished, they're also custom - you can't throw out comparisons to Spyderco and ZT knives. If the quality of this custom knife is on par with ZT factory production, there is a real problem. Comparing this knife to Kizer is even more ridiculous - it's clear that Kizer's business model was to make Ti knives with decent blade steel as cheaply as possible, and they're also production knives. M390 is the most desirable steel for a folder this size out there right now, and if this was a custom US made knife it would be 500$+ all day long.
It might be out of the range that most of us are willing to spend for anything from China, but it's not fair to judge their product without actually owning one, or at least handling one. If the F&F is as good as it appears, I think this is a knife that is going to surprise people. If the F&F is as good as it appears, this is the first step to clearing up the stigma that all Chinese knives are crap.
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I get the impression that the A model with M390 blade steel is the one with the $350 price tag? If that's true, it really isn't that bad. And $350 may be MSRP, in which case street price may be quite different. It also doesn't appear to me that they copied ZT. People are so quick to condemn anything Chinese, they need to actually slow down and take a closer look. "OMG it's a Ti framelock that has textured scales, they must be ripping off ZT!!" 
It looks like a decent knife but the price will turn many off to it, regardless of materials used. To Reate I say, keep a stiff upper lip. You've got a long row to hoe to get people to accept your knives in the American market. Maybe try a passaround like Kizer is doing. Get your knife into people's hands and let them judge the knife itself instead of its country of origin.
It looks like a decent knife but the price will turn many off to it, regardless of materials used. To Reate I say, keep a stiff upper lip. You've got a long row to hoe to get people to accept your knives in the American market. Maybe try a passaround like Kizer is doing. Get your knife into people's hands and let them judge the knife itself instead of its country of origin.
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Actually, he did spam with a registered account a week ago, this very same ad.
I can write that off as a communication barrier, but it happened.
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I assume that "B" comes after "A," and "B" would be closer to a production model...maybe the OP can clarify?
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Ok, good on him for purchasing the proper account once he learned how it works around here. I sure wouldn't know how to navigate a Chinese forum so you're probably right.
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I get the impression that the A model with M390 blade steel is the one with the $350 price tag? If that's true, it really isn't that bad. And $350 may be MSRP, in which case street price may be quite different. It also doesn't appear to me that they copied ZT. People are so quick to condemn anything Chinese, they need to actually slow down and take a closer look. "OMG it's a Ti framelock that has textured scales, they must be ripping off ZT!!"
It looks like a decent knife but the price will turn many off to it, regardless of materials used. To Reate I say, keep a stiff upper lip. You've got a long row to hoe to get people to accept your knives in the American market. Maybe try a passaround like Kizer is doing. Get your knife into people's hands and let them judge the knife itself instead of its country of origin.
I don't subscribe to the copying of ZT designs viewpoint either and really don't care where a knife is made as long as it has quality materials, craftsmanship and manufacturing.
Sending in a knife for warranty or repair to an overseas location is painful and expensive (I sent a knife to Italy and although the shipping to there was expensive I did get it back within 10 days -- they paid for shipping from Italy). At least, KAI & Spyderco handle the overseas aspects internally. So, warranty, repair and service policies and turnaround time has to be considered.
Another significant barrier is the price-point since $350 shipped from China is the end-user pricing!
A pass-around is a good idea!
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Example of an international warranty solution is Shirogorov. If Im not mistaken, they have a generous warranty BUT it is only available during BLADE (or is it SHOT?) where you mail it to them during the show and they take care of it. I imagine mailing a knife overseas for a warranty service is a pain. I feel for you guys outside the States that have an issue with a US based knife you own.
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Really? What makes you think that?
He has said it a few times.
"custom knife is by ReaTe Knives design", he said they spend a lot of time on each knife, I am partly assuming that he's trying to get the point across that these are customs. Also, they only advertised the Horizon A last time, and the guy told me it was $350, so I'm assuming the integral backspacer M390 is $350. Maybe they're both $350, I don't know for sure. There is a slight language barrier, but I try yo remember that there are people very smart that speak all different languages, and that I would sound quite stupid trying to explain a Sebenza in Chinese, so we should probably be as open and welcoming as possible.
It would be great to say that we have improved relations with China lol, Obama can't say that. I realize the natural reaction is to question and be skeptical, but since we're not in the market for this knife it doesn't do any good to speculate about the value. If you ever get your hands on one it would be helpful, but most of us are aware of the ZT 0560 (It's $260 MSRP btw), and we mostly agree that it's a good value. The Reate knife just needs to be a fair value - and if it's a custom M390 in that design with bearings and integral backspacer, it will be more than fair I think.
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If it is custom and M390, a fair value yes. Personally, I don't consider a knife custom unless no other knife will ever be made to look the same. To me, the closest these could be is mid-tech, if it turns out that they are not full production.
I would like some info from the OP himself on what blade steel the $350 knife uses. I based my opinions off of it being S35VN, production, and $350.
I would like some info from the OP himself on what blade steel the $350 knife uses. I based my opinions off of it being S35VN, production, and $350.