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Insipid Moniker said:
Again, apologies, but I'm not sure what Dr. Malone's qualifications have to do with VAERS. I worked in primary care as a nurse and patient care coordinator for about 10 years and I've filled out a few VAERS reports myself as well as helped patients fill them out if they felt they had an adverse event to a vaccine that we didn't administer at the office. It's a very straightforward process and they don't require any evidence other than the report that the event took place. Nobody corroborates VAERS reports, because the system is designed to identify large scale patterns that could clue them in to potential reactions to vaccines, not to scrutinize individual cases to see if they're accurate or even related to the vaccination. Anyone can fill out a VAERS report, the patient, parents, caregiver, healthcare provider, vaccine manufacturer, etc. Here's the link to the form, if you want to take a look.
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I filled it out for being too pretty for society.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Again, apologies, but I'm not sure what Dr. Malone's qualifications have to do with VAERS. I worked in primary care as a nurse and patient care coordinator for about 10 years and I've filled out a few VAERS reports myself as well as helped patients fill them out if they felt they had an adverse event to a vaccine that we didn't administer at the office. It's a very straightforward process and they don't require any evidence other than the report that the event took place. Nobody corroborates VAERS reports, because the system is designed to identify large scale patterns that could clue them in to potential reactions to vaccines, not to scrutinize individual cases to see if they're accurate or even related to the vaccination. Anyone can fill out a VAERS report, the patient, parents, caregiver, healthcare provider, vaccine manufacturer, etc. Here's the link to the form, if you want to take a look.
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Sorry. Misread the question.
There have been multiple sources questioning the VAERS percentages. Both sides of the issue claim what they claim.
At the end of the day, VAERS only reports issues which can be temporally tied to the vaccination. By definition, that will lead to under reporting. I
 
knarfeng said:
Sorry. Misread the question.
There have been multiple sources questioning the VAERS percentages. Both sides of the issue claim what they claim.
At the end of the day, VAERS only reports issues which can be temporally tied to the vaccination. By definition, that will lead to under reporting. I
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I would strongly encourage you to read through some of the adverse events that people have claimed on VAERS reports. There's no standard of evidence required and the reporting is available to everyone. If you trip, fall and break your arm after getting a vaccine and report it to VAERS that's a legitimate report and will go into their files. Same if you decide that getting the vaccine caused a ghost to haunt your breakfast cereal and file a report with VAERS. They system straight up encourages you to report ANY adverse effect following a vaccine, even if you have absolutely no suspicion that it's due to the vaccine. Underreporting in terms of true numbers of reactions is definitely a concern, simply because it's a passive system that requires someone to file the report, but if anyone looks at raw VAERS data and says, "Aha, this all happened because of the vaccine!" they either have no idea what the system is or they're deliberately presenting misinformation.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
I would strongly encourage you to read through some of the adverse events that people have claimed on VAERS reports. There's no standard of evidence required and the reporting is available to everyone. If you trip, fall and break your arm after getting a vaccine and report it to VAERS that's a legitimate report and will go into their files. Same if you decide that getting the vaccine caused a ghost to haunt your breakfast cereal and file a report with VAERS. They system straight up encourages you to report ANY adverse effect following a vaccine, even if you have absolutely no suspicion that it's due to the vaccine. Underreporting in terms of true numbers of reactions is definitely a concern, simply because it's a passive system that requires someone to file the report, but if anyone looks at raw VAERS data and says, "Aha, this all happened because of the vaccine!" they either have no idea what the system is or they're deliberately presenting misinformation.
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This is true of the raw data which is what is accessible to the public.
Professionals can get access to the substantiated data.
So it depends on who is looking, too.
 
HJK said:
A correlation does not prove causation, much like rising CO2 and rising temperatures.
Is the same objection raised against this raised against that?
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Climate change theory isn't based on correlation, but rather physics and chemistry. Nobel prize winning physicist Svante Arrhenius first proposed the mechanism for global warming in 1896, long before there was sufficient man-made greenhouse gas to cause an observable effect. That temperatures are rising according to model predictions is proof of the theory -- not correlation.
 
Genetic variation and environmental mutagens are unknown. Lipid wall thickness of the gene therapy is also variable, allowing potential release into different parts of the body, including the nervous system.

There are very few absolutes concerning living organisms. Inactive DNA (also called junk DNA) is rarely studied, as it's a vast amount of information and thought to be inert.

There are many, many instances in the biotechnology field, and even in nature, of inadvertent, spontaneous, or unexpected phenomenon.

All things to ponder when considering the use of mRNA as a tool for medical treatment.
 
Being that there is a probability the virus was created by virologists, and then the vaccine created by virologists, should make everyone concerned on the long term effects of both.

Sprinkle in the fact that a court is forcing the FDA to lessen the request to release vaccine data in 2096 would make anyone pause. Or for the makers of the vaccine being exempt from being sued.

It is all highly suspect and quite unfortunate.
 
Many years ago, the preliminary version of BT corn (genetically engineered) was introduced.

Worked great as intended.

The interesting thing was, was that all germ plasm that had gone through the steps of gene integration resulted in plants being a few inches shorter than all recurrent parents. The plants for the most part were demonstrably displaying normal characteristics, but just shorter.

None of the mircrobiologists studying this could explain why. They nick-named it the "BT effect". You won't find much about this anywhere on the internet. It was preferred to scrap the proteins and try different sequences, and slowly let that technology and product line fade. But as we all know, once those genes are released into the environment, you cannot recall them.

The long term effects of using mRNA technology on humans is an experiment we are a part of currently. I have very high hopes we experience minimal negative impact over time.
 
3D Anvil said:
I don't find it particularly suspect, but it is ferdamnedsure unfortunate. Let's be real; the vaccines have been administered to more than 3 BILLION people, with almost non-existent serious negative effects.
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That is arguable.
There are people who have posted in this thread of personally knowing people who have had serious reactions to the vaccine, up to and including death. So, serious reactions do plainly occur. The frequency of such serious reactions is what is being questioned.
 
MolokaiRider said:
Many years ago, the preliminary version of BT corn (genetically engineered) was introduced.

Worked great as intended.

The interesting thing was, was that all germ plasm that had gone through the steps of gene integration resulted in plants being a few inches shorter than all recurrent parents. The plants for the most part were demonstrably displaying normal characteristics, but just shorter.

None of the mircrobiologists studying this could explain why. They nick-named it the "BT effect". You won't find much about this anywhere on the internet. It was preferred to scrap the proteins and try different sequences, and slowly let that technology and product line fade. But as we all know, once those genes are released into the environment, you cannot recall them.

The long term effects of using mRNA technology on humans is an experiment we are a part of currently. I have very high hopes we experience minimal negative impact over time.
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I'd be more concerned if this was a DNA vaccine, but RNA is very different. RNA is unstable. The mRNA that's injected is gone within a matter of days, if not hours. It doesn't replicate. Before it degrades It causes our cells to produce a protein that has similarities to the structure of COVID, which creates an immune response to COVID itself. Once the mRNA has degraded, no more of those proteins are produced. Basically it's just training our immune system to recognize and react to the COVID virus.
 
3D Anvil said:
I'd be more concerned if this was a DNA vaccine, but RNA is very different. RNA is unstable. The mRNA that's injected is gone within a matter of days, if not hours. It doesn't replicate. Before it degrades It causes our cells to produce a protein that has similarities to the structure of COVID, which creates an immune response to COVID itself. Once the mRNA has degraded, no more of those proteins are produced. Basically it's just training our immune system to recognize and react to the COVID virus.
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If you have some time to burn, read through this and see what you glean from it. Lots of info regarding the lymphatic movement and neurological effects, as well as fragmented RNA caused from mass production.

The takeaway I got, was that a lot of data and effects is/are unknown.
 
unwisefool said:
2096? Is that a typo? Most of you won't be alive by then. I'll be a badass cyborg, but you fleshbags will be long gone.
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I thought it was too as I had read that they wanted to release it in 2076. Apparently, the 55 years has been extended.

Even with the lower time frame they wanted, those fresh out of college now will be close to or have already retired by the time it comes out. Those that are currently working in the fields that pertain to this will almost surely be retired or dead by that time.

Weird play for transparency.
 
3D Anvil said:
Evidence that they are not?

Blood clots are the most serious side effect and they appear to occur in about one in one million cases, and only with the non-mRNA vaccines (J&J and Astra Zenica), for example.
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Have you read this thread? There's a kid on my son's basketball team that's in the hospital right now with clots surrounding his heart valves. 17 year old healthy and active teenager shouldn't have to go through this. 2 members of my MIL's church have passed after getting their shot. I don't need any evidence, but my own real world experience to tell me otherwise. It's all good, until people you know start dying.
 
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