How bad is my batch ?

Besides Pfizer/FDA not wanting to release data being highly suspicious, there is more data coming out as we speak. The first Pfizer/FDA data being released as forced by a judge's order to accelerate the above 55/75 year schedule, first DMED data (DOD’s military-civilian integrated health database), reports from individual doctors who have vaccinated thousands of patients, insurance data, etc. We'll see soon enough.

What bugs me most is the highly politicized discourse on this, and the data/news embargo on any related information. Many, many thousands of people demonstrated against mandates a week ago, for instance, not just in Washington, world-wide, and if you look for respective American news reports, there aren't a lot.

Multiple huge cities in China are currently locked down, BJ has a new COVID outbreak in parallel to the start of the Olympics, and it's near impossible to find in any American news media.

Etc. Stunning, really.

Roland.
 
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91bravo said:
Have you read this thread? There's a kid on my son's basketball team that's in the hospital right now with clots surrounding his heart valves. 17 year old healthy and active teenager shouldn't have to go through this. 2 members of my MIL's church have passed after getting their shot. I don't need any evidence, but my own real world experience to tell me otherwise. It's all good, until people you know start dying.
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Yep, I've read it. What you're describing is anecdotal -- not evidence. If three billion people took a drink of water, statistically quite a few of them would drop dead shortly thereafter. That doesn't mean the water killed them.
 
3D Anvil said:
Yep, I've read it. What you're describing is anecdotal -- not evidence. If three billion people took a drink of water, statistically quite a few of them would drop dead shortly thereafter. That doesn't mean the water killed them.
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Sure thing. Like I said, it’s all good until people you know start dying. If it doesn’t affect you, then it’s anecdotal. Certainly not rare, because I’m just a nobody in my town that knows 4 people greatly affected by this shot, and I’m just one person.
 
91bravo said:
Sure thing. Like I said, it’s all good until people you know start dying. If it doesn’t affect you, then it’s anecdotal. Certainly not rare, because I’m just a nobody in my town that knows 4 people greatly affected by this shot, and I’m just one person.
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Except you're just assuming that those people were affected by the vaccine, and didn't just happen to have health problems that came to a head after they got vaccinated.
 
3D Anvil said:
Evidence that they are not?

Blood clots are the most serious side effect and they appear to occur in about one in one million cases, and only with the non-mRNA vaccines (J&J and Astra Zenica), for example.
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Evidence? "I don’t care to elaborate any further than what I’ve stated here."

Stop being a nerd, asking for facts and cause-and-affect analysis and all that educated BS.



This thread would be funny if it was not so serious. Just because two friends of your cousin's wife from her church or sewing circle, and your dogwalker's nephew, all got various unexpected diseases or medical conditions a few days or weeks AFTER having a Covid vaccine injection absolutely does NOT mean they got these things FROM the Covid vaccine injection. People have developed unexpected diseases and medical conditions for thousands of years before there were any Covid vaccines. Plenty of people who never had a Covid vaccine injection also develop and unexpected diseases or medical conditions "all of a sudden" (which many times is how these things appear). Blood clots. Cancer. Heart attacks. So, please, stop with the unsupported claims that people all got these things FROM the Covid shot when you do not know that to be true and you're really just guessing. Oh, and if you insist on mentioning the two people you know second hand who got the jab and afterwards had a medical event, please provide a sample size. Two out of how many total people do you know in the same second hand way who all got the jab? Two out of six thousand? Seriously, when you've extrapolated out to all the folks who go to school, or church, or are in a choir, etc. with all the nephew's wives that you know, how many people are we talking about here? Probably thousands.

I know two people who were in the hospital for different reasons within a few months of each other a few years ago. One was having back surgery - I forget why the other was there. Neither had anything to do with their heart or any history of heart problems. One in his early 50s; one in her early 40s. Both of them had heart attacks in the hospital. The guy had his heart attack in the doorway of the bathroom of his hospital room while his wife and a nurse were present. A doctor appeared almost immediately, they resuscitated him, and he lived. They found that he had a previously undiagnosed arrythmia, they implanted a pacemaker, and he is alive and fine today. The woman was alone in her bathroom when she had her heart attack, and they later found her there dead.

Stuff happens. And most times, we NEVER know why. Did my friend's back surgery cause his heart attack? I mean, the heart attack happened AFTER his back surgery, so it must have been CAUSED by his back surgery, right? Or is it more likely that his heart condition had nothing to do with his back or back surgery, that he was going to have that heart attack somewhere anyway, and he was just damn lucky it happened while he was in the hospital?
 
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Climate change theory isn't based on correlation, but rather physics and chemistry. Nobel prize winning physicist Svante Arrhenius first proposed the mechanism for global warming in 1896, long before there was sufficient man-made greenhouse gas to cause an observable effect. That temperatures are rising according to model predictions is proof of the theory -- not correlation
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With respect, that isn't correct.

The mathematics of climate, and climate change, were discovered by Ed Lorenz in 1961 when he found thatclimate can be described by the types of equations that govern fluid dynamics which are nonlinear and "chaotic". These equations require the solution of Navier-Stokes equations for the atmosphere and are extremely sensitive to changes in initial parameters ( the "butterfly effect") and measurement errors so that tiny uncertainties and errors are magnified to the point where prediction is impossible. Nobody has solved these Navier Stokes equations for the atmosphere and nobody has managed to properly model clouds ( and several other things ) so according to Lorenz ( before he died ) climate prediction may be impossible, but even if it is possible, as some scientists think, even they concede we are not there yet: the same math that will solve problems with black holes and containing plasma in fusion generators, which we do not yet have, will be necessary.

The models used today are linear approximations. Climate is deterministic, which is a problem since we don't have solutions to determinitic equations, so they are increasingly stochastic, which inserts randomness rather than chaos, two very different things. The models in practice are NOT accurate and depend on many assumptions set out in the footnotes to the IPCC studies including, for example, linearity, which is, of course, a bogus assumption for a nonlinear system, and bandaid fixes like deep water warming, never observed - plus the data are constantly revised to correct the models retroactively, which would get an undergrad disciplined.

Intuition says pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere must result in some warming but since CO2 is a very small component f greenhouse gasses it can only force change in a nonlinear/chaotic process which defies intuition, as Lorenz described. Prediction is about the math, and we don't have the math.

If you want to discuss this in greater detail we have been discussing this for years in detail with references in the PA.
 
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Except you're just assuming that those people were affected by the vaccine, and didn't just happen to have health problems that came to a head after they got vaccinated.
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These people died after they got the vaccine, and I don't think it's just all purely coincidental either. To believe so, would just be putting your head in the sand.
 
The Amazing Virginian said:
Evidence? "I don’t care to elaborate any further than what I’ve stated here."

Stop being a nerd, asking for facts and cause-and-affect analysis and all that educated BS.



This thread would be funny if it was not so serious. Just because two friends of your cousin's wife from her church or sewing circle, and your dogwalker's nephew, all got various unexpected diseases or medical conditions a few days or weeks AFTER having a Covid vaccine injection absolutely does NOT mean they got these things FROM the Covid vaccine injection. People have developed unexpected diseases and medical conditions for thousands of years before there were any Covid vaccines. Plenty of people who never had a Covid vaccine injection also develop and unexpected diseases or medical conditions "all of a sudden" (which many times is how these things appear). Blood clots. Cancer. Heart attacks. So, please, stop with the unsupported claims that people all got these things FROM the Covid shot when you do not know that to be true and you're really just guessing. Oh, and if you insist on mentioning the two people you know second hand who got the jab and afterwars had a medical event, pleae provide a sample size. Two out of how many total people do you know in the same second hand way who all got the jab, Two out of six thousand? Seriously, when you've extrapolated out to all the folks who go to school, or church, or are in a choir, etc. with all the nephew's wives that you know, how many people are we talking about here? Probably thousands.

I know two people who were in the hospital for different reasons within a few months of each other a few years ago. One was having back surgery - I forget why the other was there. Neither had anything to do with their heart or any history of heart problems. One in his early 50s; one in her early 40s. Both of them had heart attacks in the hospital. The guy had his heart attack in the doorway of the bathroom of his hospital room while his wife and a nurse were present. A doctor appeared almost immediately, they resuscitated him, and he lived. They found that he had a previously undiagnosed arrythmia, they implanted a pacemaker, and he is alive and fine today. The woman was alone in her bathroom when she had her heart attack, and they later found her there dead.

Stuff happens. And most times, we NEVER know why. Did my friend's back surgery cause his heart attack? I mean, the heart attack happened AFTER his back surgery, so it must have been CAUSED by his back surgery, right? Or is it more likely that his heart condition had nothing to do with his back or back surgery, that he was going to have that heart attack somewhere anyway, and he was just damn lucky it happened while he was in the hospital?
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Just go get your shot if you feel the need to. You talk like you're in my shoes or something. Kids don't develop clots blocking their mitral valves for no reason. So you think that the shot has NO negative side effects whatsoever? Gotcha, you can keep your head in the sand as well. The data is out there.
 
91bravo said:
These people died after they got the vaccine, and I don't think it's just all purely coincidental either. To believe so, would just be putting your head in the sand.
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They all died after they were born, too. And I'm quite sure that is not purely coincidental either.
 
91bravo said:
Just go get your shot if you feel the need to. You talk like you're in my shoes or something. Kids don't develop clots blocking their mitral valves for no reason. So you think that the shot has NO negative side effects whatsoever? Gotcha, you can keep your head in the sand as well. The data is out there.
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I just quoted you, dude. For someone who does not care to elaborate ANY further . . . you're doing a lot of elaborating.
 
The Amazing Virginian said:
I just quoted you, dude.
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Ok, dude. I'm not anti-vax by any means. I have my blue shot record from when I was young. I'm just anti-covid vax. Not enough time to do studies on these mRNA shots to determine long time effects. Hell, even the chicken pox vaccine took 50 years to develop, test and approve. Not taking something pushed through in under a year under the guise of "emergency authorization". I can do me, and you can do you.
 
The Amazing Virginian said:
Evidence? "I don’t care to elaborate any further than what I’ve stated here."

Stop being a nerd, asking for facts and cause-and-affect analysis and all that educated BS.



This thread would be funny if it was not so serious. Just because two friends of your cousin's wife from her church or sewing circle, and your dogwalker's nephew, all got various unexpected diseases or medical conditions a few days or weeks AFTER having a Covid vaccine injection absolutely does NOT mean they got these things FROM the Covid vaccine injection. People have developed unexpected diseases and medical conditions for thousands of years before there were any Covid vaccines. Plenty of people who never had a Covid vaccine injection also develop and unexpected diseases or medical conditions "all of a sudden" (which many times is how these things appear). Blood clots. Cancer. Heart attacks. So, please, stop with the unsupported claims that people all got these things FROM the Covid shot when you do not know that to be true and you're really just guessing. Oh, and if you insist on mentioning the two people you know second hand who got the jab and afterwards had a medical event, please provide a sample size. Two out of how many total people do you know in the same second hand way who all got the jab? Two out of six thousand? Seriously, when you've extrapolated out to all the folks who go to school, or church, or are in a choir, etc. with all the nephew's wives that you know, how many people are we talking about here? Probably thousands.

I know two people who were in the hospital for different reasons within a few months of each other a few years ago. One was having back surgery - I forget why the other was there. Neither had anything to do with their heart or any history of heart problems. One in his early 50s; one in her early 40s. Both of them had heart attacks in the hospital. The guy had his heart attack in the doorway of the bathroom of his hospital room while his wife and a nurse were present. A doctor appeared almost immediately, they resuscitated him, and he lived. They found that he had a previously undiagnosed arrythmia, they implanted a pacemaker, and he is alive and fine today. The woman was alone in her bathroom when she had her heart attack, and they later found her there dead.

Stuff happens. And most times, we NEVER know why. Did my friend's back surgery cause his heart attack? I mean, the heart attack happened AFTER his back surgery, so it must have been CAUSED by his back surgery, right? Or is it more likely that his heart condition had nothing to do with his back or back surgery, that he was going to have that heart attack somewhere anyway, and he was just damn lucky it happened while he was in the hospital?
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Non of this justifies the FDA/Pfizer not releasing their data.
 
3D Anvil said:
I'd be more concerned if this was a DNA vaccine, but RNA is very different. RNA is unstable. The mRNA that's injected is gone within a matter of days, if not hours. It doesn't replicate. Before it degrades It causes our cells to produce a protein that has similarities to the structure of COVID, which creates an immune response to COVID itself. Once the mRNA has degraded, no more of those proteins are produced. Basically it's just training our immune system to recognize and react to the COVID virus.
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the virus that has less than a 1% casualty rate?

the one that kills fewer people than heart disease? Less than Diabetes?

the virus that the CDC says you're more protected against by natural immunity than a shot? that virus?

I'll roll the dice on 99.7% tha ks
 
91bravo said:
Ok, dude. I'm not anti-vax by any means. I have my blue shot record from when I was young. I'm just anti-covid vax. Not enough time to do studies on these mRNA shots to determine long time effects. Hell, even the chicken pox vaccine took 50 years to develop, test and approve. Not taking something pushed through in under a year under the guise of "emergency authorization". I can do me, and you can do you.
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J&J vax is not MRNA. Neither are many vaxes available in other countries.

NONE of them have been around long enough to know the long term consequences for sure. That is a valid point, and another issue - not one my comments have addressed at all.

I don't care if you love vaccinations or hate them; love the various Covid vaxes or think they were all spawned by Satan and/or Bill Gates. My comments have nothing to do with that. My comments are about folks making unsupported and unscientific pronouncements that a Covid vax caused this or that anecdotal medical event in this or that person they know/heard about/know second hand/etc. It is a complete logical fallacy.
 
The Amazing Virginian said:
J&J vax is not MRNA. Neither are many vaxes available in other countries.

NONE of them have been around long enough to know the long term consequences for sure. That is a valid point, and another issue - not one my comments have addressed at all.

I don't care if you love bvaccinations or hate them; love the various Covid vaxed or think they were all spawned by Satan and/or Bill Gates. My comments have nothing to do with that. My comments are about folks making unsupported and unscientific pronouncements that a Covid vax caused this or that anecdotal medical event in this or that person they know/heard about/know second hand/etc. It is a complete logical fallacy.
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So you think the vax has no negative side affects? So these people that I know that coincedentally died after the vaccine, were just going to die anyway? There's no fallacy here. They got the shot and they died. My son's team mate has clots in his heart, but Noooooo, it has to be everything else but the vax right? ANYTHING, but the vax. Get your head out of your ass man.
 
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