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3D Anvil said:
The point is that it isn't just about you. It's about you and the people you could infect because you were irrational and didn't get vaccinated. It's about hundreds of thousands of people in the US who died unnecessarily.
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maybe a small point here, but rather important -> It's proven beyond any doubt that the vax DOES NOT prevent infection & spread. Full stop.

(yes, the vax does lower death & hospital rates)

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imho the mods have done a good job in this thread
 
dirc said:
maybe a small point here, but rather important -> It's proven beyond any doubt that the vax DOES NOT prevent infection & spread. Full stop.

(yes, the vax does lower death & hospital rates)

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imho the mods have done a good job in this thread
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That is true, it does not PREVENT infection, but it does dramatically reduce the odds of being infected, and thus the chance of spreading the infection.
 
Steveg1 said:
And I know 0. I do not know anyone who knows anyone that has died from the vaccine. I know numerous people who have died from the virus, and many people who have had relatives and friends die from it. My roomate in the hospital, among others. But that was not the point of my post.
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And I know unvaxxed people of whom ZERO have died from Covid, so what is your point?

Were the people you know who died from Covid vaxxed or unvaxxed. You left out pertinent information.
 
ferider said:
We went through this. Very far from "dramatically".
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Prior to Omicron, vaccines reduced the odds of infection by more than 90%, which I think qualifies as a dramatic reduction by any definition of the word.

The preventive effect is less with Omicron, but vaccines still reduce the odds of infection, and they also reduce the odds of transmission even if vaccinated and boosted people are infected, due to a reduced viral load. It's also the case that, during the various surges, preventing hospitalization also helped save the lives of people who were severely ill from all causes, because it prevented hospitals from becoming more overwhelmed than they were.
 
dirc said:
maybe a small point here, but rather important -> It's proven beyond any doubt that the vax DOES NOT prevent infection & spread. Full stop.

(yes, the vax does lower death & hospital rates)

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imho the mods have done a good job in this thread
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Seat belts do not "prevent" death from automobile accidents. And they certainly do not "prevent" automobile accidents in the first place.

Do you wear them?


BTW, NOBODY gives a crap what people you "personally know" have or have not been vaxed or not been vaxed and got infected or did not get infected or died otr did not die. That is not science. Your public school teachers should have taught you better.
 
3D Anvil said:
Prior to Omicron, vaccines reduced the odds of infection by more than 90%, which I think qualifies as a dramatic reduction by any definition of the word.

The preventive effect is less with Omicron, but vaccines still reduce the odds of infection, and they also reduce the odds of transmission even if vaccinated and boosted people are infected, due to a reduced viral load. It's also the case that, during the various surges, preventing hospitalization also helped save the lives of people who were severely ill from all causes, because it prevented hospitals from becoming more overwhelmed than they were.
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You said in post #122: "(vaccination) dramatically reduce(s) ... the chance of spreading the infection."

That's BS. And we went through this already, using the (weak, pre-Omicron) references that you provided back in Feb: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...fy-funny-really.1832504/page-35#post-21041564; using these references, we concluded that there is minimal difference of transmission "odds" when vaccinated vs. unvaccinated.
 
91bravo said:
Covid is over. Move along to the next narrative.
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No it isn't. Last I checked, based on the seven day moving average the US was still on a pace for more than 600000 COVID deaths a year.

If you don't like the subject being discussed, you are always free to "move along."
 
3D Anvil said:
Prior to Omicron, vaccines reduced the odds of infection by more than 90%, which I think qualifies as a dramatic reduction by any definition of the word.

The preventive effect is less with Omicron, but vaccines still reduce the odds of infection, and they also reduce the odds of transmission even if vaccinated and boosted people are infected, due to a reduced viral load. It's also the case that, during the various surges, preventing hospitalization also helped save the lives of people who were severely ill from all causes, because it prevented hospitals from becoming more overwhelmed than they were.
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This is absolutely correct.
 
The Amazing Virginian said:
No it isn't. Last I checked, based on the seven day moving average the US was still on a pace for more than 600000 COVID deaths a year.

If you don't like the subject being discussed, you are always free to "move along."
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You’re free to move along yourself as well if you don’t like what I have to say.
 
ferider said:
You said in post #122: "(vaccination) dramatically reduce(s) ... the chance of spreading the infection."

That's BS. And we went through this already, using the (weak, pre-Omicron) references that you provided back in Feb: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...fy-funny-really.1832504/page-35#post-21041564; we concluded that there is minimal difference of transmission "odds" when vaccinated vs. unvaccinated.
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Is that the royal "we?" 😂

According to the CDC, three vaccine doses reduces the odds of OMICRON infection by 60-70%, which is still quite substantial.

 
States are starting to leave covid behind. Dropping all lockdowns and mask/vaccine mandates. As much as y’all hate to hear it, Covid is over. A lot of American people were duped into taking a useless vaccine.
 
91bravo said:
States are starting to leave covid behind. Dropping all lockdowns and mask/vaccine mandates. As much as y’all hate to hear it, Covid is over. A lot of American people were duped into taking a useless vaccine.
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Hope so! Unfortunately there's a new variant that seems to have cases on the rise in the UK and Europe, which so far has been a very good predicter of what's going to happen in the US 2-3 weeks later.
 
3D Anvil said:
Hope so! Unfortunately there's a new variant that seems to have cases on the rise in the UK and Europe, which so far has been a very good predicter of what's going to happen in the US 2-3 weeks later.
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Of course there’s a new variant! Gotta keep the Covid train going, but sadly, it’s running out of steam. Don’t be a sucker.
 
knarfeng said:
Try this one:
This is a listing of reported VAERS deaths by year. This is from the "confirmed data" which has been validated by CDC and assigned a permanent case number.


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Bluntly, you still don't understand how VAERS works. No one confirms VAERS reports. That's not what the database is intended for in any way. You get a confirmation number that your report was received if you enter your contact information with the report. To investigate which things are actual side effects of vaccines and the incidence rate, they perform other, much more closely monitored and controlled, studies and metastudies. VAERS is entirely a tool to see which studies might be worth running in the first place.
 
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