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The Amazing Virginian said:
Seat belts do not "prevent" death from automobile accidents. And they certainly do not "prevent" automobile accidents in the first place.

Do you wear them?
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It's a law and can affect your insurance.
But the reason I wear them is to prevent Covid.
So far it has been 100% effective

There are new variants that are much more infectious, courtesy of China - again - and against which current vaccines are not very effective in terms of prevention or transmission but there's no evidence yet that I know of to suggest they don't protect against going to the ICU or dying if yu are in a vulnerable group.
Obviously it's time to tweak the vaccines for the new strains, and they said they could do that very fast, a matter of weeks, although approvals take more time if the govmnt isn't in a hurry.
But they are peddling a 4th dose, and even Israel is reluctant.

I have the terrible feeling they overproduced the last batch and are waiting to use it up.
Too cynical?
 
HJK said:
I have the terrible feeling they overproduced the last batch and are waiting to use it up.
Too cynical?
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Nope. :)

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HJK said:
It's a law and can affect your insurance.
But the reason I wear them is to prevent Covid.
So far it has been 100% effective

There are new variants that are much more infectious, courtesy of China - again - and against which current vaccines are not very effective in terms of prevention or transmission but there's no evidence yet that I know of to suggest they don't protect against going to the ICU or dying if yu are in a vulnerable group.
Obviously it's time to tweak the vaccines for the new strains, and they said they could do that very fast, a matter of weeks, although approvals take more time if the govmnt isn't in a hurry.
But they are peddling a 4th dose, and even Israel is reluctant.

I have the terrible feeling they overproduced the last batch and are waiting to use it up.
Too cynical?
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Thank the Lord for seatbelts. It can save my ass in a car wreck and prevent me from catching covid as well!
 
91bravo said:
Of course there’s a new variant! Gotta keep the Covid train going, but sadly, it’s running out of steam. Don’t be a sucker.
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Sure, every country is in on the conspiracy. They want COVID to go on because….

Hmm, why DO they want the pandemic that’s rocking their economies to go on again?
 
3D Anvil said:
Sure, every country is in on the conspiracy. They want COVID to go on because….

Hmm, why DO they want the pandemic that’s rocking their economies to go on again?
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Because it's part of their wider conspiracy to destroy your lives control the future and profit from your misery, of course.
Do keep up, 3D

I could say more but then i'd have to kill you.
Sorry, gotta go. That Putin just won't stop calling.
Something about Ukraine
But Vlad has always at root been insecure about the size of his penis.
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Insipid Moniker said:
Bluntly, you still don't understand how VAERS works. No one confirms VAERS reports. That's not what the database is intended for in any way. You get a confirmation number that your report was received if you enter your contact information with the report. To investigate which things are actual side effects of vaccines and the incidence rate, they perform other, much more closely monitored and controlled, studies and metastudies. VAERS is entirely a tool to see which studies might be worth running in the first place.
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1) The CDC does review the data. There is the raw data, there is the reviewed data. The public can only see the raw data. You need access to get to the reviewed data. The people who put this report together have that access.
2) Even if it were raw data, these are deaths. So, not random weird reactions of unknown origin. And the plot goes from next to nothing for years, then goes to a massive peak with the release of the covid vaccine. So even if there are some misreported items, for there to be that many ONLY after the covid vaccines were released would require a stretch of belief.
 
knarfeng said:
1) The CDC does review the data. There is the raw data, there is the reviewed data. The public can only see the raw data. You need access to get to the reviewed data. The people who put this report together have that access.
2) Even if it were raw data, these are deaths. So, not random weird reactions of unknown origin. And the plot goes from next to nothing for years, then goes to a massive peak with the release of the covid vaccine. So even if there are some misreported items, for there to be that many ONLY after the covid vaccines were released would require a stretch of belief.
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Honestly, if you want a very good idea of the side effect profile of the vaccines and are concerned about VAERS, here's a very good meta-study of the actual death rate and side effects of the MRNA vaccines published in The Lancet.
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The important question is not, "Who is getting cases of covid?" The important question is, "What is the vaccination rate of those who end up in the hospital from Covid?"
With the advent of Omnicron variant, 90% of Covid cases requiring hospitalization are among the vaccinated. That's based on data from Scotland and Israel. The CDC has not published any data for the US. But of course the CDC stated in a New York Times interview that they will not publish anything which might make anyone "vaccine hesitant". So don't ever expect any negative data from them.

The more on topic issue is what other problems is the vaccine causing?
This graph, which I posted earlier and is based on the numbers of death reports in VAERS. (Sorry. You need to click on the link.)
https://www.bladeforums.com/attachments/1647401103841-png.1767710/

And this study, which was authored by employees of the CDC and only looks at the first six months after the vaccines started to be rolled out, are actually stating much the same thing.

The difference is that the chart is plotting NUMBERS of deaths. The article is talking about PERCENTAGES.
The authors based their conclusions on the fact that 92.1% of the issues reported were non-serious.

“During the study period, 298 792 852 doses of mRNA vaccines were administered in the USA. VAERS processed 340 522 reports: 313 499 (92·1%) were non-serious, 22 527 (6·6%) were serious (non-death), and 4496 (1·3%) were deaths.”
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“VAERS reports were classified as serious if any of the following outcomes were documented: inpatient hospitalisation, prolongation of hospitalisation, permanent disability, life-threatening illness, congenital anomaly or birth defect, or death.”
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Meanwhile, the chart I posted looks at how many deaths from all vaccines were being reported before the vaccine rollout, and shows how many were being reported after the rollout. And the chart shows a longer time period. The time period that the article uses was very short. The chart is an indication of problems, no matter how you look at it. Even the article admits to over 4,000 deaths.

Now here's a nice chart. There have been multiple reports of increased "All Cause Mortality", an increase in the national death rate if you will. There have been similar reports in other countries.
The chart below correlates spikes in the national death rate with the timing of the release of of the vaccine and boosters. Note that the increases are separated enough from the vaccinations that they could well be missed by VAERS, because they did not happen immediately.
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knarfeng said:
The important question is not, "Who is getting cases of covid?" The important question is, "What is the vaccination rate of those who end up in the hospital from Covid?"
With the advent of Omnicron variant, 90% of Covid cases requiring hospitalization are among the vaccinated. That's based on data from Scotland and Israel. The CDC has not published any data for the US.
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Well, that's not quite true, is it?

"[The CDC] found that in the 14-day period ending Dec. 11 -- the last period in which the delta variant was dominant -- COVID case rates in Los Angeles were 12.3 times higher among the unvaccinated compared to boosted individuals. Hospitalization rates were 83 times higher.

By the time the omicron variant became dominant, the rate ratios were lower, but still showed that vaccinated people are much more protected.

During the week ending Jan. 8, unvaccinated people had infection rates 3.6 times higher than people who had received boosters and hospitalization rates were 23 times higher."

abcnews.go.com

COVID hospitalizations amid omicron 23 times higher among unvaccinated than those who got boosters: report

A new report found during the omicron wave, unvaccinated Americans had higher rates of COVID-19 cases and hospitalization than fully vaccinated people with boosters.
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I'd be curious to see the studies from Israel and Scotland. One factor is that, I believe, both countries have very high vaccination rates, so there aren't many unvaccinated left to BE hospitalized ... and many of the few who are still unvaccinated probably already contracted Omicron and thus have short-term immunity.

I found this, re: Israel:

"The numbers of the "severely ill" look much different when you look at them relative to the size of the groups they come from. While there were a greater number of vaccinated people compared to unvaccinated on February 6, 2022, the pool of vaccinated people was much larger. For every 100,000 unvaccinated people, nearly 400 people were hospitalized. The figure dropped to nearly 136 for the vaccinated without validity (two shots but no booster). For the fully vaccinated, the number was just 35, making the risk of severe illness less than 10% of that for the unvaccinated, according to the ministry website. As a result, the vaccinated line flipped from the top to the bottom:"
leadstories.com

Fact Check: Fully Vaccinated Are NOT 80% Of Serious COVID Cases In Israel | Lead Stories

Are 80% of serious COVID-19 cases in Israel fully vaccinated people? No, that's not true: As of February 6, 2022,...
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Even taking those at face value with no hidden data games, which we know get played with the way the data are collected, the January numbers aren't lining up for me.
The wife and I had covid end of December, beginning of January. I checked the sites at that time to see what the odds were as to which variant we had, Delta or Omicron. At the tail end of December less than 10% of the covid cases in LA were reported as being omicron. (So the odds suggest we had Delta.) While the majority of new cases of covid might have been omicron by a couple of weeks later, it takes longer than that to clear out the existing Delta cases from the hospitals. So, still not proof to me.

However, the main point of the thread is to look at the injury data.
These days there are multiple sources indicating problems for some who took the vaccine:
>>VAERS data
>>Numbers of young athletes keeling over with heart issues.
>>Increased rates of all cause death occurring in synch with the release of the vaccine and boosters.
>>The Military data base that got leaked. Military said, "the numbers were erroneous". If so, since CDC was briefed on the results on a weekly basis, why was the data discrepancy not noticed and corrected until it was made public? Also, why was only the data from the years covering the vaccine release discrepant?
>>The original Pfizer data which they wanted to keep private for 67 years which only got released by court order and which shows that a lot of the test subjects developed severe medical issues.

You can find an excuse for each of those, but at some point Occam's razor kicks in. If these data sources all independently point to problems with the vaccine, is it more believable that there is actually a problem, or is it more believable that there is some weird juxtaposition of circumstances that is supposed to explain each one?

Believe what you will. If you have taken the vaccine and are happy with it, good. I have many friends that are in that situation. The reports show that the odds are indeed in your favor that you will not have a problem due to the vaccine. But I also have some former friends who got vaccinated and are suddenly no longer around, or have since suddenly developed heart problems or cancer. And I think that sucks.
 
Sharp & Fiery said:
And I know unvaxxed people of whom ZERO have died from Covid, so what is your point?

Were the people you know who died from Covid vaxxed or unvaxxed. You left out pertinent information.
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My wife and I are unvaxxed, as is our daughter. My wife and I have both had Covid. I have had it more than once, I believe she has also.

I will never take the vax. There is too much proof of the harm it causes. I'd rather have something more akin to a cold or a flu.👍

Also, I don't wear masks and I will not, when given a choice. I have to, on occasion. But it comes off quickly.

There are darker things behind the scenes. I'll stop here because I don't intend on giving the mods more work to do.
 
Many things were said to be "science" when they weren't, like the claim the mRNA vaccines stopped the spread of infections and that the rate of infections and death were due primarily to the unvaccinated. NOT TRUE. Studies increasingly are showing that the public health measures like quarantines may not have reduced transmission by very much ( the details and studies are over at PA). The data did show that vaccination reduced the severity and number of deaths from the earlier forms of covid but the old vaxs have little to even no effect on the newest variants. Indeed, I expected and still expect studies to show that the vaccines and vaccinated had a big role to play in the mutation of the virus to the current forms that now evade the vaccines: if you don't kill the virus and expose it to something it survives and adapts too. like a bacterium that adaps to an antibiotic you don't finish, you get a superbug.

Does this mean science is bunk? Not at all. It means these government clerks and their grinder monkey science clerics weren't doing good science but instead authoritarianism, ignorance and arrogance. Official science and worse, government science, is not science. Ask Galileo, or the Freedom Convoy, and there we reach the line of politics and I stop.
 
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"The following is a documented compilation of 1,000 Athletes and Sports related incidences from March 2021 to 16th June 2022, each slide presented for 5 seconds. These are only the ones we hear about and which are sports related. The real numbers are unknown.
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1,000 Athletes - Collapsing, Dying, Heart Problems, Blood Clots - March 2021 To June 2022

@checkur6 from BitChute writes: "The following is a documented compilation of 1,000 Athletes and Sports related incidences from March 2021 to 16th June 2022, each slide presented for 5 seconds. These
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