How Benchmade is sailing away on a boat that KAI somehow missed.

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When I first saw the Matt Diskin collaborations offered by Kershaw I was instantly captivated by the designs. Kershaw's Diskin Hunter and Strobe offer two of Kershaw's most striking profiles in the form of modified clip points that blend aesthetically into their arcing handles. I purchased one of each and began hoping that Kershaw would expand the Diskin line or that ZT would offer an upgraded model capturing Diskins striking profiles.

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I had only purchased a few assisted knives up to that point so the Strobe was my first unassisted flipper. I was very impressed with the smoothness of the bearing pivots and the lightning quick deployment of the blade. My only gripe with the Strobe was that the best component of the knife was the bearings. The blade was 8Cr13MoV which I suppose was good enough for the price and the K-textured handles seemed more appropriate for a free giveaway knife than a retail product. I had wished that is was a bit bigger too. Despite its brilliant profile and flipping action, its materials made it a better beater than a prize in a growing collection. My first Strobe lasted a couple months of flipping before the lockbar broke off. I found a very good deal on a second one so I didn't bother filing a warranty claim. The second Strobe suffered the same fate in about the same amount of time. Expecting that any replacements would also fail after repeated openings I chose not to file a claim on the second Strobe and cut my losses. I began collecting ZT flippers at that point and have a respectable collection of ZTs. Up until today I had all but forgotten about the Strobe.

After Shot Show 2016, videos began coming out with new knives, one knife in particular caught my attention and it wasn't a Kershaw or ZT. Benchmade was debuting the Crooked River model from their Hunt series and I was floored. Especially with the 15080-2 model with the Dymondwood scales.

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I watched the introductions in a few videos and searched for references to that knife in BladeForums. Many others opinions about this impressive knife matched my own. After a few weeks of keeping my eyes peeled, I finally found an online vendor who has the 15080-2 model in stock and ended up ordering it immediately. Since the Crooked River is quite a departure from the collection of ZT's I have, I began to wonder why I liked it so much and wondering if and why I might have just made an imprudent purchase. The knife has been compared to the Buck 110, which I suppose was the inspiration for my first "Prized" knife from my youth, the Schrade "Uncle Henry" Bear Paw. That Bear Paw is responsible for my distinctive fingerprints to this day.

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In comparing the two knives, I don't think they stir the same emotion in me. The Bear Paw is more nostalgic to me but the Crooked River is much different. Then it hit me... What I liked so much about the Crooked River was that it stirred the same feeling that I got from the Diskin knives. That combination of a modern clip point and an arcing handle that give the overall profile a "scythe" shape. Comparing the Crooked River to my Strobe provided the explanation. The Crooked River seems to be the knife that I wish my Strobe had been. A sturdy knife made in the USA, using high quality steel and materials that combines a modern clip point with a beautifully curved handle.

Considering that the Benchmade Crooked River seems to offer everything I was expecting Kershaw or ZT to provide from their Diskin collaboration and given the opinions I have read and heard so far, I think Benchmade may have out Diskin'd Kershaw.

Kershaw paid for a ticket but Benchmade is taking the ride.

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The knives are not alike at all, and any comparison shows a complete lack of mechanism understanding or aesthetic critical differentiation.

Benchmade continues to offer aluminum bolsters on this knife, which I find extremely substandard in comparison to stainless steel or titanium for reasons of scuff resistance, ease of refinishing/pimping and visual/tactile appeal.

Other than those issues, great job!

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
I wonder how much extra Ti bolsters and liners would have added to the Crooked River. I don't see the similarities either, they may be in the same spirit, but they are 2 distinct patterns and cannot be compared "apples to apples". For what the price point is on the Crooked River, I can live with Aluminum bolsters, it would be a working knife after all. The propensity for Aluminum to magnify any slight beating a knife takes has made me dislike the material regardless of how awesome the Type III Mil Spec hard coat claims to be when other choices are available (Ti would have been excellent).
 
The knives are not alike at all, and any comparison shows a complete lack of mechanism understanding or aesthetic critical differentiation.

Benchmade continues to offer aluminum bolsters on this knife, which I find extremely substandard in comparison to stainless steel or titanium for reasons of scuff resistance, ease of refinishing/pimping and visual/tactile appeal.

Other than those issues, great job!

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Interesting then, is how your over reactive response shows a complete lack of even an elemental cognizance of that fact that I may just be simply editorializing similarities I observe in knives, on a knife forum, based on my own subjective opinion. All those knives sharing many characteristics and components typical of folding knives, in general, irrespective of the quality of the those materials. I don't think I actually made any comparisons beyond a general similarity in blade type and handle shape, in my post.

Here's a critical differentiation you may appreciate. If I were to compare each of the knives in my post to you, a person that seems to consider themselves, sharp and yet, profoundly ignorant that their insults veiled in pretentious hyperbole, directed at a poster because they made a comparison you seem to be insulted by, have welled up from deep seeded insecurity and need to assert yourself as some sort of authority on the science and philosophy of subjective opinion. I might say that in that comparison, I would consider you the most profoundly irritating tool of them all. Other than that, thank you for your reply.

Warmest Regards,

Daniel Silver
 
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Those knives are not alike at all.

OP, you're going down a road that many have before you. Someone comes upon a knife lineup that they really like and they enthusiastically follow and collect that line to the exclusion of all others. Then along the way another brand catches their eye; an eye that's progressed in the use and appreciation of blades and the new lineup becomes the favorite. And then it happens again and again.

The individual can't see it in the moment but anyone else who's already been down that road can.
 
Those knives are not alike at all.

OP, you're going down a road that many have before you. Someone comes upon a knife lineup that they really like and they enthusiastically follow and collect that line to the exclusion of all others. Then along the way another brand catches their eye; an eye that's progressed in the use and appreciation of blades and the new lineup becomes the favorite. And then it happens again and again.

The individual can't see it in the moment but anyone else who's already been down that road can.

Indeed that may be a true and typical progression for budding collectors, but what is the lesson? I don't understand what concept I am not seeing other than that folks on this forum seem to be very uptight about comparisons they themselves would not make.
 
I didn't submit this thread as a call to any member with a chip on their shoulder to argue my opinion that my appreciation of the shape of Kershaw's Diskin collabs and the Benchmade's Crooked River, is similar. I was merely pleased that Benchmade has debuted a knife that I think is more like what I would have expected from the Kershaw and Diskin collaboration than what Kershaw actually offered.

Do I have to attend BladeForums University or something to be entitled to an opinion? I hope some of the replies in this thread are not typical of the type of community this forum represents. I guess I just stirred up the late night A__hole pot.
 
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I didn't submit this thread as a call to any member with a chip on their shoulder to argue my opinion that my appreciation of the shape of Kershaw's Diskin collabs and the Benchmade's Crooked River, is similar. I was merely pleased that Benchmade has debuted a knife that I think is more like what I would have expected from the Kershaw and Diskin collaboration than what Kershaw actually offered.

Do I have to attend BladeForums University or something to be entitled to an opinion? I hope some of the replies in this thread are not typical of the type of community this forum represents. I guess I just stirred up the late night A__hole pot.
You're entitled to post any opinion you like. But this is a public forum, and that means you should be prepared for a wide variety of responses. Just as you are free to express your opinions, others are free to express theirs.

And if you don't like someones response, you can always just ignore it. There's no reason to interpret anyone's response as some form of personal attack (unless it is, but I don't see that going on in this thread).

I'm not trying to criticize you, I'm just trying to give you some friendly advice.
 
loved the Diskin designs, I too feel like Kershaw failed to capitalize on a higher end version for hunters.

that is brutal about the lock bar on the strobe.

Any pics?
 
Neither of them were ever used to cut anything sturdier than an envelope. The were both primarily hand toys. The steel construction combined with the 410 handles made them the quietest of my flippers so flipping them obsessively was somewhat less annoying to those around me. This made them very fun to play with but they did not hold up to that use.

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dang dude, good share. I still love the design. If it had a better lock bar, g10 and the 14c28n it would be a winner.
 
20 posts into it, and not really getting it.

This is your thread title:

"How Benchmade is sailing away on a boat that KAI somehow missed"....insulting and unnecessary.

You could have said "Found a Kershaw design I like and then one from Benchmade liked even more".

Would have said a similar thing, much more elegantly and accurately maybe.

If you want to be part of this community, no reason to go to a university, just ease into it, so those that ARE part of the community/BFC can get a feel for your personality.

Would be happy to help you get your two knives repaired, or help you get something from Kershaw that you might like better. Feel free to e-mail me.

If you want to be patently insulted, have a flame war and ultimately get banned, I can certainly help down the road to persona non grata, but that isn't necessary.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
You're entitled to post any opinion you like. But this is a public forum, and that means you should be prepared for a wide variety of responses. Just as you are free to express your opinions, others are free to express theirs.

And if you don't like someones response, you can always just ignore it. There's no reason to interpret anyone's response as some form of personal attack (unless it is, but I don't see that going on in this thread).

I'm not trying to criticize you, I'm just trying to give you some friendly advice.

Thank you. I guess I'm not only new to the knife thing but I'm also new the internet thing and the forum thing. But I sure have found a great bunch to teach me the ropes. Hey can you direct to the friendly advice thread where I can learn how to react to condescension and being patronized. That would be swell.

Can you instruct me how to react to your complete lack of understanding that someone posting that someone else has a "complete lack" of something is "a personal attack".

P.S. I'm not trying to criticize you either. I'm just not really asking for personal advice on how to read and interpret English. I don't really think you have a complete lack of anything. But you might be barking up the wrong tree. I'm here to talk about knives, not reading comprehension, or forum conduct. If anything I have posted in this response offends you, please ignore it. That's just some friendly advice from a self professed forum conduct expert to another.
 
Oof! I don't think I've ever seen a frame lock broken like that. Looks like both broke exactly the same, at the center of the relief cut. Did this happen during opening or closing?
 
20 posts into it, and not really getting it.

This is your thread title:

"How Benchmade is sailing away on a boat that KAI somehow missed"....insulting and unnecessary.

You could have said "Found a Kershaw design I like and then one from Benchmade liked even more".

Would have said a similar thing, much more elegantly and accurately maybe.

If you want to be part of this community, no reason to go to a university, just ease into it, so those that ARE part of the community/BFC can get a feel for your personality.

Would be happy to help you get your two knives repaired, or help you get something from Kershaw that you might like better. Feel free to e-mail me.

If you want to be patently insulted, have a flame war and ultimately get banned, I can certainly help down the road to persona non grata, but that isn't necessary.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

No sir, 22 posts and I am absolutely getting it. This forum has a bunch of cool folks who want to talk about knifes and a bunch of a$$hats that want to act superior.

Anyone who is offended by my forum title please speak up. I will personally apologize for insulting you.

20 Posts in I mistakenly titled my thread "How Benchmade is sailing away on a boat that KAI somehow missed. "

11,816 posts in you respond to my post with "The knives are not alike at all, and any comparison shows a complete lack of mechanism understanding or aesthetic critical differentiation."

I'm not sure you should be giving anyone forum etiquette advice. That said, your offer to help me get my two knives repaired or replaced is humble and kind and inconsistent with your previous response. Perhaps if that same humility can be demonstrated consistently in your future posts, I will forget we ever had this little tiff. As for being banished from this forum, at this point, I don't feel I would suffer any grief at all. Do your best or do your worst but be assured that at this moment, I couldn't care less.
 
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Oof! I don't think I've ever seen a frame lock broken like that. Looks like both broke exactly the same, at the center of the relief cut. Did this happen during opening or closing?

It was neither, they both kind of failed with a whimper. Meaning the spring back of the lockbar progressively got softer and softer until they just fell off. Similar to bending any metal wire over and over until it fatigues and then just falls apart.
 
dang dude, good share. I still love the design. If it had a better lock bar, g10 and the 14c28n it would be a winner.
I had hoped for exactly this combination to be offered from Kershaw. I also hoped ZT would have offered something somewhat larger and more premium but keeping the awesome Diskin profile.
 
Bloody hell. Can't any topic be discussed here without devolving into a wang measuring contest? Everybody push down the hairs on your backs and just move along if something doesn't appeal to you.

OP, that's an interesting comparison in that the two knives share some similarities, but then, that's part of the fun of this hobby: discovering what appeals to you, finding a better "version" and evolving your tastes.
 
Slightly off topic,but I've never seen a frame (or liner) lock fail like that! I'm even more surprised it's on a Kershaw. I can see how the Diskin collabs would have disappointed you but in all fairness there are probably knives in the Kershaw line up and at the Benchmade price point that you might find pleasing.
 
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