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well Jim, if you've given ample time for the maker to respond, I might consider a GBU thread. First, maybe someone could inform him about the thread.

Brett
 
David Schott said:
The only time I have had a similar thing happen to canvas micarta was during sanding. Green canvas when polished, looks like your first photo but that same green canvas when sanded roughly, always looks like your second photo. If the maker dyed it himself, that may be the cause, but Im wondering if anything you you wiped it down with ate the epoxy that the micarta is "glued" with, effectively removing the buffed polish the maker had put on it and exposing mostly the canvas fibers instead of the dyed resin....give us a more detailed photo of the "after" picture, from different angles. Is that "after" knife just as polished and shiny micarta-wise as when you received it? If it looks more like an eggshell satin, im guessing thats your culprit. Colors can get really altered depending on the level of polish thats put on them, especially materials with thicker fibers in them. If the fibers in pristine form were smooth and buffed, then through handling and wiping them down those fibers are now "frayed" at a tiny scale, you may be seeign the color of the split fibers more than the original green polished versions.
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I wiped with CLEAN DRY SOFT Cotton Cloth Once. Nothing else. NO Chemical, no sandpaper, no wax, No oil, nothing.
James
I can not post current pictures because knife is in route back to me from buyer that wanted to see it anyway, even after being told scales had changed colors, I am giving him a Ray Cover as a replacement, he is happy, I am out dollars.
James
 
If you can, try getting it slightly wet. If it turns back to its nice green colour when damp, it probably came oiled and proceeded to dry outover the six months. That would be fixed with mineral oil as mentioned earlier.
Hope I helped,:)
Matt.
 
bdws1975 said:
well Jim, if you've given ample time for the maker to respond, I might consider a GBU thread. First, maybe someone could inform him about the thread.

Brett
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I have avoided mentioning names, because I am sure he wants to know as much as I do, but I have not heard from him in several days. Before starting a GB&U thread, I want to find out as much as I can as to why it happened and if there is any possible way I could have been responsible. So far, I have not seen anything that remotely lands the problem in my court.
Thanks for the advice, I may take that route. He has had several emails from me, but I have heard nothing yet as to final resolution from him.

Jim
 
Just for the record, you probably did nothing wrong and unless something really odd turns up, the maker most likely had no idea that would happen, nor would he have any way to control it unless he's dying it himself. Scale material is certainly not expensive and there's no way a maker would ever risk an unhappy customer over a few small pieces of flawed micarta. I still think the stuff simply dried out, muting the "wet" colors in the process.
 
c00per said:
If you can, try getting it slightly wet. If it turns back to its nice green colour when damp, it probably came oiled and proceeded to dry outover the six months and that would be fixed with mineral oil as mentioned earlier.
Hope I helped,:)
Matt.
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Perhaps I will try, but hesitate to do anything until I hear from Maker, I do not want to make anything else worse. Besides, right now it is in route from buyer who rejected it, he is out of town for a few days, till then, I can not even take additional photos.
James
 
HI James,

Was that the green canvas Micarta or the Olive canvas Micarta. I have used both colors and sure hope this does not happen to any of the knives I have used this material on. While the maker has no control over the dyes or other materials that are used in making of this material, as a maker I think I would offer to rescale with a like material at no charge except shipping,or rescale with a up-charge scale material such as stag or bone at what the material cost is.

Ken
 
David Schott said:
Just for the record, you probably did nothing wrong and unless something really odd turns up, the maker most likely had no idea that would happen, nor would he have any way to control it unless he's dying it himself. Scale material is certainly not expensive and there's no way a maker would ever risk an unhappy customer over a few small pieces of flawed micarta. I still think the stuff simply dried out, muting the "wet" colors in the process.
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He responded to my very first email, saying that he did want me happy, but all that would be salvageable would be the spring and blade, everything else would be scrapped. I told him, I might give it away or make it a user and would let him know, but decided now I want it repaired and he has not responded in 3 or 4 days now.

Still looking for answers. As soon as I get knife, I will post new pictures from different angles and wait on response from maker.

James
 
ken erickson said:
HI James,

Was that the green canvas Micarta or the Olive canvas Micarta. I have used both colors and sure hope this does not happen to any of the knives I have used this material on. While the maker has no control over the dyes or other materials that are used in making of this material, as a maker I think I would offer to rescale with a like material at no charge except shipping,or rescale with a up-charge scale material such as stag or bone at what the material cost is.

Ken
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I will look up original specs. to see if he specified.
be back in minute or so.
James
 
ken erickson said:
HI James,

Was that the green canvas Micarta or the Olive canvas Micarta. I have used both colors and sure hope this does not happen to any of the knives I have used this material on. While the maker has no control over the dyes or other materials that are used in making of this material, as a maker I think I would offer to rescale with a like material at no charge except shipping,or rescale with a up-charge scale material such as stag or bone at what the material cost is.

Ken
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Don't have the original specs, my bad. PM me and you can ask him.
Jim
 
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Maker has replied and wants to make it right, He is one good man for doing it, I think he got some bad canvas micarta, hope he gets his money back in spades.
Thanks for all the suggestions and help.
James
 
Reopened thread for an update, maker first offered to replace scales, turned out the buffing compound he used had reacted with the Micarta, I sent it back for scale replacement and he rebuffed them, I got back an olive drab knife ( I bought bright green scales originally) ended up taking a huge loss on knife when sold. I would open a GB&U thread on this, but I am not a vindictive man. What goes around comes around. He knows who he is and why I will not ever own another of his knives. All 7 or 8 of his knives I use to own have been sold at losses.
Jim
 
James Todd said:
Reopened thread for an update, maker first offered to replace scales, turned out the buffing compound he used had reacted with the Micarta, I sent it back for scale replacement and he rebuffed them, I got back an olive drab knife ( I bought bright green scales originally) ended up taking a huge loss on knife when sold. I would open a GB&U thread on this, but I am not a vindictive man. What goes around comes around. He knows who he is and why I will not ever own another of his knives. All 7 or 8 of his knives I use to own have been sold at losses.
Jim
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I don't think it would be unfair to post in the GB&U. How a maker responds to these types of issues is of great help to others. You were left unsatisfied. Of course it is your choice, but I certainly would like to know.
 
I'm guessing the photos in the first post don't go with the thread?
I was looking at those and reading along going HUH? And then noticed the date so figured some new photos took place of the old ones?
 
EdgarFigaro said:
I'm guessing the photos in the first post don't go with the thread?
I was looking at those and reading along going HUH? And then noticed the date so figured some new photos took place of the old ones?
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I think you're right. Maybe he deleted the original pics to keep it private?
 
Did not mean to delete photos, but I think I can get them back up in a bit, will take some research, before and after, I never did take photos of the gosh awful olive drab scales I got back, too dang mad.
Be back in bit,
Jim
 
Before Fade:
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After 6 months of sitting on glass shelf.
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Came back from maker as Olive Drab. Sorry no photos, shipped it off to previous buyer with another 50 dollar discount.

He took it, I lost it.
Jim
 
James Todd said:
Did not mean to delete photos, but I think I can get them back up in a bit, will take some research, before and after, I never did take photos of the gosh awful olive drab scales I got back, too dang mad.
Be back in bit,
Jim
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This is one of my knives.

Sorry James that you were mad, and that you feel this way, but I never new?

Sent it back almost nine months ago, and never heard back from you.
I thought every thing was OK? :confused:

What would you like for me to do about it now?

Sincerly

Todd Davison


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bigal2me said:
This is one of my knives.

Sorry James that you were mad, and that you feel this way, but I never new?

Sent it back almost nine months ago, and never heard back from you.
I thought every thing was OK? :confused:

What would you like for me to do about it now?

Sincerly

Todd Davison


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I appreciate the offer, but I need nothing now. You said you would replace the scales, you buffed them, I figured that was what you thought was fair, I have never said your name in public. It takes a lot of courage for you to post yourself. For that, I will give you credit. But, there is nothing else you can do now, all my knives are gone that were yours, I believe you make a fine knife, but you did not do what you promised. Rebuild and replace scales. I take a man at his word. If what you did then satisfied you, then I will live with the results.
All the best to you,
Jim
 
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