how do YOU deal with gangs?

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Good points Razordj

I feel so stupid now...never really gotten gangs after me. But at my school, a lot of New Yorkers like to cause trouble. So what I do is just act unafraid, since knives would get me kicked out, and anything even looking harmful (i.e. water guns).
 
Not really gangs here, well, depending where you go. Around downtown where I work its not usually a big deal.

However a month ago a friend of mine was walking by himself in Pioneer Square, a place with a lot of bars and a few missions for homeless people. Unprovoked (he didn't even see them coming), two guys grabbed him from behind and smashed his face into a wall, breaking his nose. As he fell he grabbed onto one of them and pulled them on top of him. He took a folding knife (not sure what knife it was but the police took it) from his pocket and gutted the guy. They proceded to kick the **** out of him. He has bruises all along his face and he's in a neck brace, as well as the broken nose. The guy who was cut had to be taken to the hospital and was obviously caught. The other guy got away so far.

**** happens sometimes. Usually I make eye contact and, maybe its how I dress, but I nod or they nod first, showing respect. Sometimes I just walk by them.

What I really hate is when a guy is looking at my grrl and ignoring me. If I see a guy with a hot grrl, I look at him. If he doesn't even make eye contact with me I'll check his grrl out for sure.
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If he does then I probably will check out his grrl anyway, but atleast I showed him some respect.

I've actually had the guy working behind the counter at 7-11 looking my grrl up and down while I'm starring at him. Ignoring me! I literally asked him wtf was he looking at... didn't go over too well with my grrl but that kind if thing really gets to me.
 
>>i dont mind i just dont think god has anything to do when abunch of gang members try to kick your ass

Your right about that. If someone wants to do something stupid with their balisong knife and use it to harm others, God has nothing to do with that. Sense God is love and He can be found amoung people who help others so as to build them up and encourage them.

However, God is able to offer us some degree of protection. Look at the story of David and Golieth in the Bible. The Giant was quite a bit bigger than David and he had a sword, compared to David's sling shot. Yet David used the Giant's own sword to cut his head off, because God was with him and gave him the strength and the help he needed.
 
>>The concept that God is going to save you from violence simply because you want to do nothing to become skilled is a myth.

All I am saying is that good is more powerful than evil. Back when I was growing up, that was the main theme of just about every tv show and movie. The good guy always won out over the bad guy. Now a days, people seem to be confused over what is good and what is evil. At times people seem to feel that hatred and a bad attitude is in some way a desireable thing. I was raised to dress neat and clean, show up on time and have a good attitude. Because without those three, your not going anywhere in life.
 
>>Im an Eagle Scout, a member of Mensa and I have a 3.8gpa in college. I credit most, if not all of that to a damn good upbringing by my parents.

A good upbringing, only brings out your potential. Everyone has potential. There are a lot of parents single or otherwise who are doing the best they can, and they need help. Only they can not find anyone to help them.

That is where the older generation has a obligation to the younger generation to do all they can, within reason to help. This is one of the main programs of President Bush.

When we see someone who needs our help, we need to do out 2 cents worth and help them. Because what goes around comes around. Someday we may be the one who needs help. The way we treat others is the way others are going to treat us.

Thanks for your well thought out response. JohnR7
 
dude, that sucks.
When I was going out with this girl Kyla (as mentioned in my OT thread a while back), we used to go to Chili's now and then. The first time we went there, we went with our friend Ashley too. Ashley eventually gave her number to the waiter, Jay, who had been hitting on her.
So every time we went there (just Kyla and I) he'd totally hit on her! The ****er gave her his number once (under the guise of saying he was having a party and that's where she can call him) when I was sitting right there! jeez, that ****in' guy. When we left the restuarant, Kyla was like "what the hell did he think he was doing??? Ass"
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JohnR7:
All I am saying is that good is more powerful than evil.</font>

Wow, that really opens up a big can of spirituality worms. A Buddhist might reply to a statement like that by saying that one wouldn't see the good if the evil ("not-good," to be a little more accurate) weren't there in opposition. The boundaries of good are defined by the evil around it, these boundaries are in a continual state of flux, etc. Then, after describing a long and less-complex-than-it-sounds analogy with a cup or bowl, would come to the conclusion that since good and evil are so interconnected, that one cannot be defined without the other, that they really are one and the same (although he or she would use a Sanskrit word which literally means "not two," which is vitally different than saying they are "one"). This of course, would lead the listener to a very confused state of mind, where (if they're lucky by Buddhist standards) the boundaries between light and dark (or good and evil) become so diffuse as to be indefinable.

Good and evil, light and dark, masculine & feminine, yin & yang.

In the beginning there was darkness. Then the Lord said: "Let there be light." The beginning of the classic X'n creation story. It's also how the Sumerian creation story begins, and the pagan Celtic creation story begins. From there the differences begin. From an over-simplified mythological point of view ...

In the X'n creation story, the darkness isn't so much darkness as it is nothingness. Then YHWH creates light, and all the divine hosts. Lucifer (whose name means "light") speaks out of turn, and is cast out, forever pitting good against evil, in all-out war. ("WAR! Hah! Good gawd, y'all, what is it good for?")

In a Greek good vs. evil/light vs. dark story, Prometheus brings fire (or light, AKA wisdom and goodness) to mankind. For his trouble, he gets pinned to a rock to be devoured by birds for eternity. Sound like anyone we know?

In the Sumerian creation story, the "darkness" out of which the universe is created is the dragon known as Tiamat. Some deity of light comes along and slays Tiamat, and makes the universe out of her body. No one denies that the building of the universe is a good idea, yet this same universe which is described as "good" is made of the body of the embodiment of darkness, or "evil." It is darkness ("evil") which pervades and sustains the universe. (Incidentally, the Sumerian creation story precedes the Judeo-X'n one by some thousands of years.)

In a Celtic pagan (specifically, Irish) creation story parallel, a race of demons (Fomor) come and make the land their own. They are a race of darkness, whose power comes from the unknown depths of sea and earth. Then along come the Tuatha De Danaan (literally, the "Tribe of Dana" - they are the forces of light/good), who oust the dark ("evil") Fomors. Sort of. You see, kings of the TDD send their daughters off to marry the sons of kings of the Fomors, and vice-versa. As a result, the bloodlines of light & dark/good & evil are forever mingled. One of the Irish pagan solar (or light/good) deities, Ogma (patron of wisdom) is half Fomor, or "evil." Nothing "good" happens unless a deity has determined a balance between their light aspects and dark ones.

In EVERY creation story, darkness/evil is the power which is subborned. Yet, in every one of these creation stories, it is this same darkness which pervades and sustains the "good" universe - it is either the actual substance of the universe (like Tiamat) or the source of the wisdom which sustains mankind and gods (Lucifer, Prometheus, Ogma). To come to my point as succintly as possible, "good" is not stronger than "evil," nor is "evil" stronger than "good." They exist in an ever-shifting, ever-grey, balance. But, that's just my opinion.

Whoah ... that was sooooooo much longer than I wanted it to be!! I suspect one or all of our moderators may wish I had been less long-winded (and less off-topic). I promise not to be offended if this post gets edited for length.
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Theology lesson over!

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">All I am saying is that good is more powerful than evil. </font>

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"Fool! Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb."

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gangs, to gods, to rick moranis... coincidence? i think not...
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Well, that is some really interesting stuff there. Maybe we should create some balisong mythology
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"And shepards we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, so we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be, En Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti"
A few of my first balisongs
My ClubPhoto albums of balisongs and misc knives and wallpapers
 
Ah, now why didn't I think of quoting Spaceballs?
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"I see your Schwarz is as [good] as mine ..."

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>>"Fool! Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb."

Let me know if you ever decide to join the real world. But if you look at the source of this quote, then that in and of itself is proof conclusive that Good will always win out over evil. Mel Brooks is well known to never tell the truth. For him, truth is always something to make fun of. Some would call it mockery. It cost John Candy his life and I hope it does not cost you your life. Thanks, JohnR7
 
>>Good and evil, light and dark, masculine & feminine, yin & yang.

I know some feminists who would say the only time they need a man is when their toilet is broke, and that is only because they do not want to get their hands dirty.

No one would question that you need a male and a female in unity, to keep mankind going. I am not so sure that good can not exist apart from evil. Their relationship for me is a bit different.

As Joseph said: Genesis 50:20 "you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive."

When I say that good can and does win out over evil. That is to say no matter how evil the intent, or how evil the situation. In the end, good can result or come out of it. Thanks, JohnR7


 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JohnR7:
I am not so sure that good can not exist apart from evil. Their relationship for me is a bit different.</font>

Hey, that's cool too, just so long as I got you thinking!
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Feeling significantly less loquacious this evening, I am.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Let me know if you ever decide to join the real world. But if you look at the source of this quote, then that in and of itself is proof conclusive that Good will always win out over evil. Mel Brooks is well known to never tell the truth. For him, truth is always something to make fun of. Some would call it mockery. It cost John Candy his life and I hope it does not cost you your life. Thanks, JohnR7 </font>

Were you born with your head up your ass, or did you work industriously over the past several years to get it there?

You might want to take a few hundred years out of your busy schedule and brush up on the concept of humor. To put it bluntly:

Lighten the **** up, you bizarre little man.

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Seriously, how did humor cost John Candy his life?

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>>did you work industriously over the past several years to get there?

Yes, I worked hard to get where I am at. Anyone can go downstream, it takes a bit of effort to go upstream. I would be interested to see where you are at when you get to be my age.

>>brush up on the concept of humor. To put it bluntly:

>>Lighten the **** up, you bizarre little man

There is a difference between humor and satire. Your brand of humor always needs a victom. Like the world federation of wrestling and Jerry Springer, the only way to "lift" yourself up and make yourself look big is to put other people down. You have to call me a "bazarre little man" in order to feel good about yourself.

This is in direct opposition to everything I believe in. I believe we should build up and strengthen, not tear down and destroy. Balisong Knives can be used to tear down and harm, or they can be used for good, as a tool to build and create with. Satire and humor in the same way, can be used for good, or they can be used to destroy.

Balisong knives and their owners have taken on the image of those who would do harm to others, who tear down and destroy. Many people on this forum have worked long and hard to overcome that bad image. But there are still enough immature people out there, doing stupid things with balisongs, that we still need to create a image that balisong owners are not all out to do harm and injury to others.

You do not have to have a loser in order to have a winner. In the business world, both people involved in a deal can benifit, and that makes both winners. In a confrontation, a winner is someone who does not get hurt. So you do not have to have a loser to have a winner. If both people walk away unharmed, then both are winners.

In my case sense "no weapon formed against me can prosper" then I have nothing to worry about. So my concern then is for others, to try and see to it that they are not harmed or injured in any way. Thanks, JohnR7
 
>>Seriously, how did humor cost John Candy his life?

To make my point more clear, I try to take a look at people who die early, so I do not follow them in their folly. There is a long list of people in the acting and entertainment profession that have died early and even very early deaths. For example: James Dean, Jim Morrison, Elvis Presley, Marilyn Monroe, John Lennon, and the list just goes on and on. These are not people I would "hero worship" or try to copy in any way.
 
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