How does Zero Tolerance Compare to Hinderer........

Jailhack said:
Interesting comments so far on the Hinderer, both for and against.

I would have thought a semi-custom maker would have his production tolerances more in line and put out a similar product, knife after knife. Now I'm thinking maybe not.
More comments, greatly appreciated.


I had actually looked at Shirogorov in reading the forums, but the problem for me is that I am a generation behind. Last time I looked for a new folder, Spyderco's were a good knife for $50-$100 bucks. Now, I see Spydies well over $200 and to be honest am pretty surprised.
Also, last I looked for a new folder, there was no such thing as a quality Russian folder. :)LOL!
Do they honestly compare to the longtime standard by which others are judged, aka CRK?
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Also keep in mind If you need warranty work you'll have to ship a shiro to Russia I'm pretty sure.
 
Jailhack said:
Interesting comments so far on the Hinderer, both for and against.

I would have thought a semi-custom maker would have his production tolerances more in line and put out a similar product, knife after knife. Now I'm thinking maybe not.
More comments, greatly appreciated.


I had actually looked at Shirogorov in reading the forums, but the problem for me is that I am a generation behind. Last time I looked for a new folder, Spyderco's were a good knife for $50-$100 bucks. Now, I see Spydies well over $200 and to be honest am pretty surprised.
Also, last I looked for a new folder, there was no such thing as a quality Russian folder. :)LOL!
Do they honestly compare to the longtime standard by which others are judged, aka CRK?
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Another thought... if you want a Hinderer-like overbuilt Knife with CRK quality, look at a Spartan Harsey. It’s a very well built knife.
 
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stonproject said:
Also keep in mind If you need warranty work you'll have to ship a shiro to Russia I'm pretty sure.
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Just sayin’... the only time I’ve needed warranty work in the past 3-4 years was on a $30 Kershaw swhen the stop pin popped out. I’m not too picky, but defects that effect function are rare in my experience.
 
If you are looking for a Hinderer, then get a Hinderer. My experience with ZTs is somewhat more miss than hit. I had a 0560 BLK, 0562 and both suffers from lock stick. They are excellent flippers, beautiful folders, but the persistent lock stick put me off. Had a sharpie marker handy. The harder it flips, the harder it locks up. Both came with very even cutting edges, sharp too. No issues in that department. I probably had lemons, IDK.
I have a Gen IV XM18-3.5", but this is soo soo sweet. Excellent flipper, looks good and feels even better in the hand, Best blade design (Spanto), solid lockup and alot of fine details. It has teflon washers rather than bearings like in ZTs. Flips with authority
Indeed, the Hinderers are much dearer but if the ZTs are as fine as a RHK, you probably couldn't purchase one with the current price.
 
Administrators can you please take a look at the constant barrage of verbal abuse that I endure from the people that I have blocked. People such as @19-3ben

The only way that I even see their posts is to NOT be logged because I have at least 5 members blocked/muted. If I am to understand you correctly, based on docking me for 5pts for an attack INITIATED upon me by none other than @19-3ben abt a week or two ago, then what YOU do not want me doing is responding. So, I am leaving this up to you to sort out.

If it was me speaking directly to them, I'd say, "Set T Tommy-Chi on mute, because constant attacks to every statement he makes will end your time on Blade Forums."
 
ScooterG said:
Another thought... if you want a Hinderer like overbuilt Knife with CRK quality, look at a Spartan Harsey. It’s a very well built knife.
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While not a flipper, the SHF is certainly a fine looking knife. Might have to grab me one to do a Sebenza vs SHF comparison. Thanks
 
Tommy-Chi said:
Administrators can you please take a look at the constant barrage of verbal abuse that I endure from the people that I have blocked. People such as @19-3ben

The only way that I even see their posts is to NOT be logged because I have at least 5 members blocked/muted. If I am to understand you correctly, based on docking me for 5pts for an attack INITIATED upon me by none other than @19-3ben abt a week or two ago, then what YOU do not want me doing is responding. So, I am leaving this up to you to sort out.

If it was me speaking directly to them, I'd say, "Set T Tommy-Chi on mute, because constant attacks to every statement he makes will end your time on Blade Forums."
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Come on dude. Take all that drama somewhere else.
 
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Dude. Really?
Knock it off.
 
Why compare. Both are good. One is faster but lighter, other is the opposite. It depends on what you need. Do you need a Ram or a M series Beamer ? depends on the road you have to drive. Get both to be prepared to anything.
 
Guess it just depends how good of a ZT you got. I dont have a Hinderer but I do have a ZT 0550 gen 3 and I seriously doubt a knife can be built to higher quality ( at least for my example). It has a perfect detent. I can spydie flick it open with my middle finger. It is smooth as glass. I can shake it closed with just a light shake, the weight of the blade makes it fall slowly. If I open it just past the detent I can grab the blade and rotate my hand over and the handle will stay in one spot until the knife locks open and it locks solid with not a noticable click in any direction. I doubt a hindered would be built better in my opinion. But if you got a bad example of a ZT and then a good example of a Hinderer youd probably think it was a good upgrade. I like ZT's. Have a couple and they are fine. Dont see the need to upgrade myself as I've never bought anything just because of the name stamped on it.
 
halden.doerge said:
The utterly vast majority of people who have tried a Gen 6 (or hell, Gen 5) Hinderer have found that the detents are perfectly dialed, very snappy, comparable to ZT. On older Hinderers people had a point about the detent. Not anymore.

If you've really got issues like you describe on a Gen 6, you should send it back to the Ranch for QC. What you've described is a minute anomaly compared to virtually everyone else who has described owning a Gen 6.
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Well, I've had two Gen 6s and they were really bad. I think there's still a point to be made about inconsistent detents, because...

They state outright that they don't warranty for detent issues, "because they build them to a certain spec". That means that, if you get one that sucks, you're stuck with it. I got two that sucked, and I can't send the one I kept back because that don't think bad detent is a warranty issue.

Have "the utterly vast majority of people" found their Gen 6s to be perfect?
 
steelhead seeker said:
Guess it just depends how good of a ZT you got. I dont have a Hinderer but I do have a ZT 0550 gen 3 and I seriously doubt a knife can be built to higher quality ( at least for my example). It has a perfect detent. I can spydie flick it open with my middle finger. It is smooth as glass. I can shake it closed with just a light shake, the weight of the blade makes it fall slowly. If I open it just past the detent I can grab the blade and rotate my hand over and the handle will stay in one spot until the knife locks open and it locks solid with not a noticable click in any direction. I doubt a hindered would be built better in my opinion. But if you got a bad example of a ZT and then a good example of a Hinderer youd probably think it was a good upgrade. I like ZT's. Have a couple and they are fine. Dont see the need to upgrade myself as I've never bought anything just because of the name stamped on it.
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I'm sorry, but the above statement is a bit silly and misguided.

As I said before, my ZT 0562 is a very well made knife. But to say that you doubt a knife can be built better is just ridiculous.

Of course there are better made knives. In fact, there are knives that are way better built. I come from the knife era in which there was no such thing as CNC machines and high end production/semi custom were a largely hands on build. Have tolerances gotten tighter, absolutely. But it's an entirely new knife world than it was 30 yrs ago.

At the ZT price point however, it surely is in the upper range of build quality. I think inserting this comment into your post would have been a better way to say what I think you meant, IMHO. Not trying to play statement police, just think it would make more sense.:thumbsup:

As for buying a name, I myself could care less if it say's Ronald McDonald on the blade, pistol, or watch. I buy the builder, not the name. Hence, this thread to find out about the "original" version of the ZT.
 
marrenmiller said:
They're made maybe a tiny bit better on average, while costing way more. Hinderer also can't seem to figure out his detents, so you might get one that's great or you might get one that sucks. All 3 of mine were not good, and two of those were new Gen 6s. ZT's generally have detents that are better tuned and more suited to flippers.

I think the ergonomics of the XM-18 are better, though.
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You're a tad slow. Gen 6 hinderers have perfect detent and the option of ball bearings/ washers.
 
I tried Hinderer but they just did not click with me. I find ZT is very high quality and meets my needs. I find Fantoni knives are of equal to or better quality than ZT. Fantoni Hide is my favorite mid size knife.
 
I consider the ZT Hinderers to be completely different than Hinderer branded knives. Historically, I’ve preferred the 0550, 0566 (yes), and 0562 over a true Hinderer. Every Hinderer I have ever handled— more than a dozen, at this point, all of them before gen 6, have flipped like wet fettucine noodles.

True Hinderers have most often been championed for being worth it because they’re more robust. That statement packs in an assertion that there is a point at which a 0562 would fail in a job, yet an XM-18 would succeed. Common call outs are bearings vs washers, or the huge pivot. I’ll offer a counterpoint that washers and the large pivot allow a Hinderer to succeed where a ZT would fail, so infrequently that it’s a statistical zero. By passing on the bigger pivot and washers, I save hundreds of dollars, get a knife that carries slimmer in pocket, and has a (very slightly) more usable blade thickness, all of which are benefits that each user is pretty certain to experience.

Hinderers are sexier, and it sounds like gen 6 has (mostly?) fixed detent issues. So, there is that. Sheer enjoyment is a great reason to buy a thing, if the purchase doesn’t put you in a bind. I’m totally on board with enjoyment.
 
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