How has your collection philosophy changed over time?

Kevin Jones said:
Hi Peter.

One thing for sure, for horsepower per dollar Corvette (zo6) is light years ahead of Ferrari or any other sports car in the world.
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Yes, but it isn't assembled by hand by canterkerous little gnomes who smell of Parmesan cheese and garlic:D
 
WoodWorkGhost said:
Supsme,

THE PRICE is only the price when someone will sell the item for the price that someone is willing to pay for it.

So no matter what, the price is the price! Now cost...that is an entirely different matter.

So a dealer did you wrong because you didn't know that the price is the price...unless it isn't the price.

Wow, this is almost Zen like. A price is a price even when it is not the price!

WWG
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Supsme,
Makes perfect sense to me. Prices are constantly variable and dealers are a necessary part of the equation. And for many dealers, a good part of the equation.

If you have had a bad experience on the profit side, you should evaluate your own activities and perspectives. Not try to assign those losses to others. What other field do you know of that you can enter and not have to go through a learning curve?

WWG's responses have been honest and helpful. Much better to listen and learn a little on this. At the moment, that chip on your shoulder seems to be getting all your attention.

We've all been there one time or another. It's called tuition. Makers and dealers pay tuition also, hopefully, only in the beginning.:)
 
jdm61 said:
Yes, but it isn't assembled by hand by canterkerous little gnomes who smell of Parmesan cheese and garlic:D
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There is a series on the National Geographic channel about amazing factories, with one episode on the Ferrari facility. Simply amazing, it had me rooting around under the couch cushions looking for $250K.;)
 
HI RnRossi,

Thanks for the post.

You mistake what you called a "chip on my shoulder" for a pre-emptive strike.

If I seem to hard, direct and to the point. It is because this tactic is the quickest way I have found to eliminate people like Supsme taking pot shots at those who have never even dealt with him.

When you are one of the few in the world who do what I do. It is necessary to expose those who lack the intestinal fortitude to name names or lack the discipline to take responsibility for their actions.

WWG
 
WoodWorkGhost said:
HI RnRossi,

Thanks for the post.

You mistake what you called a "chip on my shoulder" for a pre-emptive strike.

If I seem to hard, direct and to the point. It is because this tactic is the quickest way I have found to eliminate people like Supsme taking pot shots at those who have never even dealt with him.

When you are one of the few in the world who do what I do. It is necessary to expose those who lack the intestinal fortitude to name names or lack the discipline to take responsibility for their actions.

WWG
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WWG, I think RnRossi was talking about Supsme, even though he quoted you.
 
Here,s part of my newbie maker plan...
Don't give up your day job...Not so long ago John Young had a strong collector base, a five year wait and a full time job...
Web page {changed often}, shows, advertising...
Most important...Watch and observe what the Makers who have the drawings at the shows are doing...don't just ask them how they make knives...ask them questions about pricing, advertising, how long things took them, what they would do the same and what they would do differently...
Think about why their prices appriciate in the secondary market...Ask them if they have "SPECIAL PRICING" for dealers.
 
ptgdvc said:
There is a series on the National Geographic channel about amazing factories, with one episode on the Ferrari facility. Simply amazing, it had me rooting around under the couch cushions looking for $250K.;)
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LOL......they are amazing cars. The Corvette analogy is easy to deal with. it is a great car, but it is still a mass market vehicle made primarily from off-the-shelf passenger car parts and primarily variants of OLD parts at that. The one I always wondered about was what made a Ferrari F360/430 worth $40-60,000 more than a Porsche Turbo or $75-80,000 more than a GT3, and, in real life, sell for more sometimes that the old Porsche GT2? It's all about cachet after a point, which is quite easy to see when you consider that Ferrari dealers added a minimum of $50,000 DPP charge (that's Dealer Profit Package for you neophytes...lol) to any F430 Spyder they received.
 
WWG,

Yes, Don is correct, I quoted you and addressed my comments to Supsme.
Guess that wasn't very clear, Duh!

Actually, I was impressed with how patient and helpful your responses were.

Bob
 
jdm61 said:
LOL......they are amazing cars. The Corvette analogy is easy to deal with. it is a great car, but it is still a mass market vehicle made primarily from off-the-shelf passenger car parts and primarily variants of OLD parts at that. The one I always wondered about was what made a Ferrari F360/430 worth $40-60,000 more than a Porsche Turbo or $75-80,000 more than a GT3, and, in real life, sell for more sometimes that the old Porsche GT2? It's all about cachet after a point, which is quite easy to see when you consider that Ferrari dealers added a minimum of $50,000 DPP charge (that's Dealer Profit Package for you neophytes...lol) to any F430 Spyder they received.
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Joe, not true. Especially with the zo6 as it's engine has it's own components, hand assembled in it's own assembly plant. Even the older Corvettes did not share many GM parts common with other models. Trust me, I'm a Corvette collector and owned auto parts stores for over 20 years.

Don't get me wrong, as I think Ferrari's are among the coolest toys on earth, however my best friend is a Ferrari nut, owned many and will tell you durable they are not. Try to find one a few years old that has been used and even the interior is not is bad condition. IMO, for the most Sports car for the money go Corvette, for the best all round expensive exotic go Porsche.

What the hell does this have to do with knives :confused: ;) Sorry Bob.
 
Kevin Jones said:
Joe, not true. Especially with the zo6 as it's engine has it's own components, hand assembled in it's own assembly plant. Even the older Corvettes did not share many GM parts common with other models. Trust me, I'm a Corvette collector and owned auto parts stores for over 20 years.

Don't get me wrong, as I think Ferrari's are among the coolest toys on earth, however my best friend is a Ferrari nut, owned many and will tell you durable they are not. Try to find one a few years old that has been used and even the interior is not is bad condition. IMO, for the most Sports car for the money go Corvette, for the best all round expensive exotic go Porsche.

What the hell does this have to do with knives :confused: ;) Sorry Bob.
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Nothing, Kevin......but once it came up, I got lobotomized:D Today's Vette does share the chassis with the Caddy roadster and the engine with at least 2 other cars. My comment was based on the fact that even the new engine.....and the older 4 valve ZR-1 engine....were designed using existing bore spacing, to the detriment of the ZR1. The new ZO7 is expected to cost close to $100,000. Imagine what it would cost of the built a brand new 600+hp 7 liter DOHC engine with VVT, etc, or even a V12 based on existing DOHC V6 blocks like Aston Martin did instead of supercharging the pushrod block!!! FYI...I have a 1985 Turbo look Carrera and, if I hit the Power Ball, I would buy a new GT3, but I do like the new Vette. The current model is the first one since the '63 that could be considered a world class sports car.
 
jdm61 said:
Nothing, Kevin......but once it came up, I got lobotomized:D Today's Vette does share the chassis with the Caddy roadster and the engine with at least 2 other cars. My comment was based on the fact that even the new engine.....and the older 4 valve ZR-1 engine....were designed using existing bore spacing, to the detriment of the ZR1. The new ZO7 is expected to cost close to $100,000. Imagine what it would cost of the built a brand new 600+hp 7 liter DOHC engine with VVT, etc, or even a V12 based on existing DOHC V6 blocks like Aston Martin did instead of supercharging the pushrod block!!! FYI...I have a 1985 Turbo look Carrera and, if I hit the Power Ball, I would buy a new GT3, but I do like the new Vette. The current model is the first one since the '63 that could be considered a world class sports car.
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Even at $100,000 the zo7 will be a bargain compaired to the cars it whips-up on costing 3 times as much.
What's special about the 63? nothing! 327 and rides like a hay wagon. How about 67 L-88 427 550HP+, now that's world class in 67.
Who said anything about Corvetts being world class sports cars anyway? Until now (zo6), how can you compare Corvettes costing $30,000-$40,000 to world class sports costing $200,000-$400,000+?:confused:
 
Kevin Jones said:
Even at $100,000 the zo7 will be a bargain compaired to the cars it whips-up on costing 3 times as much.
What's special about the 63? nothing! 327 and rides like a hay wagon. How about 67 L-88 427 550HP+, now that's world class in 67.
Who said anything about Corvetts being world class sports cars anyway? Until now (zo6), how can you compare Corvettes costing $30,000-$40,000 to world class sports costing $200,000-$400,000+?:confused:
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I meant the Stingray series 63-67.:D It may have rode like a haywagon, but it was a VERY fast haywagon...lol. I will quote Brian Redman and a comment he made about Porsche race cars in the 70's......."the 911 is a pig and the 935 is proof positive that a pig can be made to run VERY fast";) Until the current model, the "modern" Vette did not compare well to what are $50,000 sports cars today like the Boxster/Cayman, or cheaper sports cars back i the day like the more potent of the Porsche 944 series.
 
Supsme,

Ok,

1) Keep your day job. About 95% of the custom knife makers do not make their living off of custom knives.

2) Get a web site. How do you pay for the set up, maintenance and photos?

3) List shows, advertising????
A) Which shows does the maker attend? Which types of knives, what materials should be use. Where does the money come from to cover table fee, traveling expenses, meal expenses, etc.

B) Which magazines do you advertise in and why. What size ad? Photo or no photo? How often. Oh and where do you get the money for this?

While you are asking the new maker if he has special pricing for dealers.

Shouldn't you ask is the reason dealers get a special price because they are part of my advertising plan?

They can cut down on my travel expenses by taking my knives to shows that I can't get to or are too expensive to go to? Did you know the cost for 1 table at the ECCKS is $750!

They can have the knife photographed and put it on their site (eliminating the costs to the maker at least initially).

That the dealer can be interviewed for article(s) in all the major magazines and give the maker some "free advertising".

That the maker can have a dealer can write an article about them for a major magazine. Getting the maker several orders that the dealer received NO MONEY FOR! That doesn't seem fair does it?

You see if customers would buy 10 - 50 knives a year from a maker they would probably get a special price as well.

Supsme, I suspect if you ask a new maker if they will give you a dealer price if you buy 3-5 knives they will be happy to do so.

Ok, so back to you plan.

The only thing worse than bad advice from some one that knows what they are talking about. Is advice from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

WWG
 
WoodWorkGhost said:
Supsme,

Ok,

1) Keep your day job. About 95% of the custom knife makers do not make their living off of custom knives.

2) Get a web site. How do you pay for the set up, maintenance and photos?

3) List shows, advertising????
A) Which shows does the maker attend? Which types of knives, what materials should be use. Where does the money come from to cover table fee, traveling expenses, meal expenses, etc.

B) Which magazines do you advertise in and why. What size ad? Photo or no photo? How often. Oh and where do you get the money for this?

While you are asking the new maker if he has special pricing for dealers.

Shouldn't you ask is the reason dealers get a special price because they are part of my advertising plan?

They can cut down on my travel expenses by taking my knives to shows that I can't get to or are too expensive to go to? Did you know the cost for 1 table at the ECCKS is $750!

They can have the knife photographed and put it on their site (eliminating the costs to the maker at least initially).

That the dealer can be interviewed for article(s) in all the major magazines and give the maker some "free advertising".

That the maker can have a dealer can write an article about them for a major magazine. Getting the maker several orders that the dealer received NO MONEY FOR! That doesn't seem fair does it?

You see if customers would buy 10 - 50 knives a year from a maker they would probably get a special price as well.

Supsme, I suspect if you ask a new maker if they will give you a dealer price if you buy 3-5 knives they will be happy to do so.

Ok, so back to you plan.

The only thing worse than bad advice from some one that knows what they are talking about. Is advice from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

WWG
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Yes, Les...I will give you dealer price for 3-5 knives.....where do I sign up
;) :D
 
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